a challenge to quran aloners!!!
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peace Alen,
Not the answer I was expecting.
What convinced you that you were wrong?As salamu alaykum wr wb.
Respectfully.What answer were you expecting, if i may ask?
I thought that because Adam and his wife made a mistake that they were ejected out of Paradise and were given this Time and Space in order to earn it back, the Garden.Of course, i will be careful how i use my words in the future, but i always say The God Knows BEST.
As salamu alaykum wr wb.
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salaam,
- why does the quran says all the previous scriptures has been corrupted while the quran also says jesus , moses and others followed the same message. he makes some other good points which portrays islam as violent and unscientific, like you would have done the same if you were in his shoes... please read for verification...
peace, rifat
There's a huge difference between "Scriptures" and "Message". Although the message is inside the scripture.
Even 'the previouse scripture' itself claim that it has been corrupted and falsified by the lying pen of the scribes.Jeremia 88
How can you say, We are wise, and we have the law of the Lord ?
Behold, the truth is, the lying pen of the scribes has made the law a falsehood.Moses, Jesus etc follow the message.. which is 'true' segment of the Torah.
Because truth and falsehood is mixed inside the scriptures.Salam / Peace
- why does the quran says all the previous scriptures has been corrupted while the quran also says jesus , moses and others followed the same message. he makes some other good points which portrays islam as violent and unscientific, like you would have done the same if you were in his shoes... please read for verification...
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peace
I thought that because Adam and his wife made a mistake that they were ejected out of Paradise and were given this Time and Space in order to earn it back, the Garden.
Maybe there was a bit of a misunderstanding.
What you said above is true, EXCEPT I believe Adam always had time and space. He wasn't born into paradise, but he earned it by following the straight path (which we can do as well). But he got ejected because he made a mistake. But since God is all forgiving, allowed Adam to reenter paradise.The problem arises, I believe, when we take Adam to be born in paradise. Then it means God hasn't forgiven Adam or us. Which gives credence to the christian idea of original sin.
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Peace Guys,
I suggest that M. Saleem, would take the short time to read "Isa The Bible God's Word" by. Ahmed Deedat. That might change his whole convictions concerning the bible. I see nothing that is being challenged. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Who is Jesus? If a person does not believe, then it will be easy to go in another direction. If that story was even true is something to really look at. It could be something fabricated to get to the ones with weak convictions. That's just my opinion. I use to be Christian. I seen what the people said they received from the holy spirit, talking in tongue, healings, exorcism... all that junk. I always felt weird about that and did not understand why this had to be the method that God chose to show his power. Or why was I not one of those experiencing that "joy and bliss" Now I know better. And if that story was true about what that M.Saleem said then look at what he grew up in maybe that cause him to create his own illusions. Just my opinion. )
Peace, peace
shirley
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peace
Maybe there was a bit of a misunderstanding.
What you said above is true, EXCEPT I believe Adam always had time and space. He wasn't born into paradise, but he earned it by following the straight path (which we can do as well). But he got ejected because he made a mistake. But since God is all forgiving, allowed Adam to reenter paradise.
The problem arises, I believe, when we take Adam to be born in paradise. Then it means God hasn't forgiven Adam or us. Which gives credence to the christian idea of original sin.As salamu alaykum wr wb.
Respectfully.I never say or believe that Adam was born in the Paradise, i know Adam was not born inside Paradise, he was born and then allowed to live there with his wife, where the mistake was made.
As salamu alakyum wr wb.
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He was never a believer. Oh well. I wont be the one who is going to be answering for him.
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Salam.
Her's a challenge i heard that a movie is coming this way and it tlak about following just The Quran.
What do you think will happen, what wil you do, when you see on the big screen around the world that The Quran is to be followed alone and without sunna and hadith and when the writer shows it in such way where he shows The Proof?
I heard if from a friend of my, in Europe.
Peace.
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peace Alen,
...and our challege is to.. predict the future? Fuyo0o~!
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That's not forgiving. That's like if you broke one of your classroom rules, your teacher tells you to get out. Then when you apologize, she says
"OK. I'll give you 5 hours. If you do everything I tell you to do in that time, I'll forgive you and let you in."
What you are saying means that God hasn't forgiven us yet, but we have to earn his forgiveness.Something is not right here.
If one kid broke classroom rule, do you go and punish every generation to come to that school becouse of that???
Why am I being punished for something Adam did thousands of years ago?? Where is the justice here?
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peace Dion,
You are right that the logic the person was using is flawed. You can't punish the whole class for just one student's wrong doing. But he did make a good point saying that muslims are wrong in believing that God forgave Adam because if he had forgiven Adam, he would've gone back to paradise and not stayed on earth.
So yes, the adam story has some other meaning. But it's far from the traditional interpretation. -
peace Dion,
.... ...because if He had forgiven Adam, he would've gone back to paradise and not stayed on earth.That's not a fact, but an assumption. When the angels asked God why he wants to create mankind, he answered ___
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peace Aimi
how is that an assumption?
It is a fact that God didn't put Adam back in paradise (according to the traditional understanding at least). That's why we are here on earth.
And if God really had forgiven Adam, he would've given back Adam a place in paradise. If you punish a student by sending them out of class, when you forgive them, you usually bring them back in. Not leave them out. -
Salam phoenix, all. ;D
two assumptions are made here..
firstly
• Their stay on Earth is a punishment
second,
• if God really had forgiven Adam, he would've given back Adam a place in paradise
These two are assumptions, not facts, since no (quranic) prove are given..
Also, check out 237 -- God forgave Adam.
peace. )
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Peace "phoneix"
peace Aimi
how is that an assumption?
It is a fact that God didn't put Adam back in paradise (according to the traditional understanding at least). That's why we are here on earth.
And if God really had forgiven Adam, he would've given back Adam a place in paradise. If you punish a student by sending them out of class, when you forgive them, you usually bring them back in. Not leave them out.JK- Definition, definition, definition! again i must point out "life aint black and white" like the christians wld have it and thts the basic prob with most folks. neither is the meaning associated with words. thters always a certain amount of ambiguity and in this case "forgiven" can mean partial forgiveness meaning tht they were lucky they wernt thrown into hell straight away or atomized n scattered across the entire cosmos. GOD Bless!
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Peace "phoenix",
peace JK, what are those problems? Arnold Yasin wrote an article about janna and jahannam which you should read and see if it solves the problems. If it doesn't. We should discuss them to get rid of the doubts!
JK- One prob which bothers me is that regarding the whole adam satan ibless conversation. it sounds like a direct conversation with adam. next is why are we on earth? i always saw this as a punishment of our original sin as i believed we all sinned WITHIN adam since we were all part of him. I believe if we were all balmeless at birth then why not stay in heaven and come here. GOD Bless!
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peace JK
So what if it's a direct conversation? Don't your thoughts talk to you? don't your emotions persuade you to do something wrong?
I don't know why we are on earth. But the reason we are not in "heaven" is that heaven is experienced right here on earth. It is a mental state. That is the answer to your problem.
There is no original sin. We can all be in heaven just like Adam if we make the right choices. But if we let our desires control us, we will be in hell.
We are all blameless at birth, and so was Adam.I think the problems you have are not against the idea of janna here on earth, but janna as a physical place somewhere else. Right?