Sex is not permitted during fasting, is masturbation as well?
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Peace be upon all,
One of the many questions I have on Islam is this, since I don't believe it is answered, at least directly. I was wondering if masturbation is prohibited during fasting. I would appreciate to have someone that is well versed in Arabic to answer this question, since we all know there are translation issues. One ayat that I know of that mentions anything close to this is Sura 2187
2187 (Yusuf Ali)
Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men that they may learn self-restraint.2187 (Arabic)
Ohilla lakum laylata alssiyami alrrafathu ila nisa-ikum hunna libasun lakum waantum libasun lahunna AAalima Allahu annakum kuntum takhtanoona anfusakum fataba AAalaykum waAAafa AAankum faal-ana bashiroohunna waibtaghoo ma kataba Allahu lakum wakuloo waishraboo hatta yatabayyana lakumu alkhaytu al-abyadu mina alkhayti al-aswadi mina alfajri thumma atimmoo alssiyama ila allayli wala tubashiroohunna waantum AAakifoona fee almasajidi tilka hudoodu Allahi fala taqrabooha kathalika yubayyinu Allahu ayatihi lilnnasi laAAallahum yattaqoonaWhat I don't understand is when it talks about what "you used to do secretly". I am not sure if it refers to the person masturbating, taking another women, or just having sex with their wives during fasting. May I find the correct answer inshallah.
Peace.
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Peace the word is not secretly it is ikhtaana which means to betray oneself, as it concerns the fast. It could be talking about whether they felt as if they were betraying themselves knowning that they had been fasting or it could be referring to the fast that they were allowed to have sex but would have prohibited themselves, there by also betraying themselves(what they really wanted to do). The word doesn't mean secret anything.
Godbless,
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Peace,
Oh I would consider that masterbating and having sex with your wife would lead to the same thing in the end. So if you want to do that after you finished the fast I think that is better, by analogy.
As for fornication and adultery these are different because they are seeking pleasure with other individuals with whom you are not married to or betrothed to.
Godbless,
Anwar -
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Peace,
As for fornication and adultery these are different because they are seeking pleasure with other individuals with whom you are not married to or betrothed to.
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While you masturbate you definitely have to think about any one except your wife; otherwise masturbation is waste. So it is also adultery of a different sort but more complex and complicated. Masturbation perse is haram. But .....
"May Allah relieve us from doing wrong to our own souls!" -
As Salaamu Alaika drfazl,
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While you masturbate you definitely have to think about any one except your wife; otherwise masturbation is waste. So it is also adultery of a different sort but more complex and complicated. Masturbation perse is haram. But .....
"May Allah relieve us from doing wrong to our own souls!"Not to sure about your masterbation analysis, but no further comment (that is in regards to thinking about someone except your wife; what if you are single). And not to say that it is or isn't, but do you mind providing the ayaat of Al Quran that point out and prove that masterbation is adultery and more so haraam?
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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Peace
Sometimes masturbation can be an indulgence in the feeling. There are times I do not think of anyone. I could be reading up on sports and things of that sort.
Joe
wow wow
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Peace,
Masturbation perse is haram
I second IQO here. Please provide the ayah in support, else we should always pay heed to 16116...
And do not say regarding what your tongues describe with lies "This is lawful and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
Further, "alssiyami" or "sawm" refers to abstinence, not strictly fasting. Thus the injunction, by inference, would include masturbation, imo. I don't believe it's spelled out in black and white but is assumed by the context to include it.
Peace,
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Peace Tay,
Further, "alssiyami" or "sawm" refers to abstinence, not strictly fasting. Thus the injunction, by inference, would include masturbation, imo. I don't believe it's spelled out in black and white but is assumed by the context to include it.
2187 seems pretty black and white to me, what do you think?
And thank you for the reminder.
peace
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Peace D,
Imo, the restriction on sex with one's spouse is in black and white, leaving masturbation in a somewhat gray area if we're reading things by the letter. As always, I believe it's about intention. "Yattaqoona" in 2187 seems to me to indicate walking the right path as the purpose of the abstinence. Y. Ali translates it as self restraint here and in 2183 as well. Yet, he goes on to translate the same word as "acting rightly" in 2224. I don't mean to sidetrack here but I feel it's important to illustrate that the purpose of the abstinence should not be overlooked. It is, imo, a sort of spiritual retreat as well as physical, not to learn restraint but to grow harmoniously, to re-connect. In either case, I would venture to include masturbation as something one should abstain from during the prescribed hours - but I wouldn't call it "haram".
Peace,
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Allah wants believers to stay away from sexual pleasure with their spouses while fasting. You could do a lot of things with your spouse. You can talk to them, go on a short walk with them, have dinner together etc. However, sexual activity involves 'sexual pleasure'. I would say it is this sexual pleasure Allah wants believers to abstain from while fasting.
As masturbation induces sexual pleasure, by reason and logic, it is a very wise thing to avoid it. Rather I would say it is a foolish thing to do for the believer who thinks over the Qur'an.
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Masturbation perse is haram.
There's not even a single "sahih" hadith that states this. Some sunnis conclude that because Muhammad advised adolescents to fast when they're horny, masturbation falls in the category of forbidden things. This is not true, and I can mention a lot of instances where they don't use this kind of logic. For example Allah telling us to pay alms on the day of harvest/day you get your paycheck but the sunnis have made it once a year. Had they utilized the same logic then giving alms on any day other than when you get your wealth falls in the category of forbidden things, and it's also forbidden not to give alms on the day of harvest anyway.
Others hold the opinion that it is not haram as long as you are doing it to avoid what's definitely haram and that's sex with someone other than your wife.
Ok...isn't this why muslim men masturbate? Why else would you masturbate if you didn't have a hot woman living in your house? Duh. nope
Most also, not surprisingly misuse the verse telling you who you can have sex with. They think "masturbation" falls in the category of "wara-a zalika" (more than this). What they fail to comprehend is that the verse before it is talking about "gaurding your private parts" and how can you "ungaurd" it by touching or stroking it? You can't gaurd your genitals from yourself. You have to rub it clean in the shower and so on. By gaurding your private part from yourself you'd have one dirty penis.
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There's not even a single "sahih" hadith that states this. Some sunnis conclude that because Muhammad advised adolescents to fast when they're horny,
lol laugh
By gaurding your private part from yourself you'd have one dirty penis.
LOOOOOOL rotfl
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TheNabi's post scares the hell out of me - I'm going to me purpetually in fear of sitting next to someone on a train who's reading a sports magazine, lest they agree with his theory about "indulgence in the feeling"!
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TheNabi's post scares the hell out of me - I'm going to me purpetually in fear of sitting next to someone on a train who's reading a sports magazine, lest they agree with his theory about "indulgence in the feeling"!
Maybe they will ban magazines as well as everything else.
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WOW!! As a former Catholic, I am astounded at the openness to masturbation here. The pope and his minions consider masturbation as bad as murder...it is what they call a 'mortal sin.' Mortal sins are worshipping other gods beside God (that is ironic), trashing sacred relics and statues, murder, fornication, adultery, masturbation, stealing, telling lies about a neighbor, etc...etc...There is no distinction between these sins, and the sinner is doomed to hell if he is not absolved by the priest in what is called a 'confessional.' If a person eats and drinks the eucharist without confessing such serious sins to a priest before the distribution, then that is a mortal sin too. The rituals of the Catholic church are set up to beat you down at every turn.
Happy masturbating!! O0 yay rotfl
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TheNabi's post scares the hell out of me - I'm going to me purpetually in fear of sitting next to someone on a train who's reading a sports magazine, lest they agree with his theory about "indulgence in the feeling"!
Hahaha! This is coming from a guy named liquid dharma!!! rotfl laugh hmm hypno
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A person I know thinks that it is alright to use mouth spray while fasting...I tried telling them that the liquid mixes into your saliva and when you swallow your saliva mixed with the liquid from the mouth spray your fast will be invalidated. but the person keeps asking for proof and does not believe me...can u guys help me to convince the person that mouth spray invalidates your fast