Night is at sunset?or whn there is total darkness?
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Salam,
7929
He made its night dark, and brightened its morn.3637
Another sign for them is the night we remove the daylight therefrom, whereupon they are in darkness.1712
We rendered the night and the day two signs. We made the night dark, and the day lighted, that you may seek provisions from your Lord therein. This also establishes for you a timing system, and the means of calculation. We thus explain everything in detail.
This seems to imply that night starts at the fall of complete darkness?not lighted?S that would mean we have to fast till the night?Pls share your thoughts and inputs brothers and sisters.Salam.Why is layl sometimes translated as sunset when it is night?
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Another sign for them is the night we remove the daylight therefrom, whereupon they are in darkness.3637
Good question.
The verse you quoted above provides the answer for your question. The quran divides a Yawm (day) into two sections Layl (night) and Nahar (daylight). The verse refers to the stage of night that becomes DARK NIGHT after the DAYLIGHT IS REMOVED FROM THE NIGHT.
In other words, there initially must be the NIGHT in order the daylight to be removed from.
Peace,
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Salam what about the verse he made its night dark and morn bright thereof?If the beginning of night,which s still night is not dark?would it then not be a contradiction?Darkness is simply the complete absence of light right?salam
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Peace be upon you,
The day is divided into 4 parts 1) Day 2) Night and 3&4) the merging times of day and night (dawn and dusk)
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Peace be upon you Wakas,
I dont follow that understanidng because there are verses that tell us to witness the merging of day and night. These would be the twilights, and since these are times of merging NIGHT and DAY, they cannot be completely Night, nor completely day, thus making 4 seperate states.
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Peace be upon you
17 78
Yusuf Ali Establish regular prayers at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.
Pickthall Establish worship at the going down of the sun until the dark of night, and (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn. Lo! (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn is ever witnessed.
Aqimis sala_ta lidulu_kisy syamsi ila_ gasaqil laili wa qur'a_nal fajr(i), inna qur'a_nal fajri ka_na masyhu_da_(n).
Does this verse make a dictinction between the two or it just describes the same thing ?
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Wakas my understanding is as follows
night/layl = twilights (morning & evening) and pitch black night. Basically all the time the sun is not there.
This is also my understanding.
Peace,
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7929
He made its night dark, and brightened its morn.With what God brightened its morn? Touchlight? Light bulk? The sun? And how does God darkens something? If the answer is the sunlight, then we thus have our definition of day and night. Night is when the part of earth does not receive the sunlight and vise versa.
http//antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050611.html >> picture
The way I see, CMIIW, there's two sides of opinion regading this issue. One side says break-fast is during sunset, because... (night begins during sunset)
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Firstly, 2187..."and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears;..."
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The transition period based on 2261 "That is because Allah merges night into day, and He merges day into night, and verily it is Allah Who hears and sees (all things). "
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Night has light or not complete darkness based on 3637"Another sign for them is the night we remove the daylight therefrom, whereupon they are in darkness."
Premises
- Night has some light (3637)
- sunset period is when night and day is merged (2261)
- sunset period has light (and little light)
therefore A) night begins during sunset and B) so break-fast is during sunset.
Notice that there is no gurantee that the "night" during sunset is actually night (what is the definition of night anyway based in this arguement?). In fact, 3627 is showing that God aknowledged that during night time, the earth is not completely cover in darkness.
Observe the environment,
If you watched world cup or other sports, a studium can be lighted very brightly yet the fans know it is night time... Firefly produce light...city with lights..ect...why God mention darkness of the night in 1778 and not mentioning "dark" in 2178? Darkness must be a property of night, but not night it self (according to the observations of the world and 177.
Therefore, it is no gurantee to link the premises and say A) night begins during sunset and B) so break-fast is during sunset.Do correct me if i am wrong coz i wrote this for truth and not to say who are wrong or who are right.
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Peace siki
2.187 . It is made lawful for you to go unto your wives on the night of the fast . They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them . Allah is aware that ye were deceiving yourselves in this respect and He hath turned in mercy toward you and relieved you . So hold intercourse with them and seek that which Allah hath ordained for you , and eat and drink until the white thread becometh distinct to you from the black thread of the dawn . Then strictly observe the fast till nightfall and touch them not , but be at your devotions in the mosques . These are the limits imposed by Allah , so approach them not . Thus Allah expoundeth His revelations to mankind that they may ward off ( evil ) .
We eat and drink until dawn, not sunrise (unfortunately lol)
elke
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As salamu alaykum wr wb.
Respectfully.I think hat the night falls at the complete darkness, right? Because as long as there is a little light, that is daylight, we just call it different names morning, afternoon, evening, right?
Or did i miss something ....?
As salamu alaykum.
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As salamu alaykum wr wb.
If you mean darkness as in ..Certain part of the earth darkens when that part of the earth receive no more sun light.. then yes, based on my understanding of verse 7929 "He made its night dark, and brightened its morn."
But i'm not really sure, at what point we receive no more sun light, (look at the picture), it is when the part of earth is completely dark looking from satellite? if so, how do we know exactly?
may God increase us in knowledge.
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THANKS ELKE
SO ! He is pecisely telling us START OF THE DAY IS FIRST LIGHT" HENCE LOGICALLY IT MUST END AT LAST LIGHT"
How can we take two different reference points to determine a day?
it is either FIRST LIGHT TO LAST LIGHT, or, SUN RISE TO SUN SET,. and as he has told us the
start , we must use our minds and determine the end in the same unit,
i was culminating fast at sun set,, i think i should take it to last light ,(about 40 mins after sun set here at 32 deg latitude)peace siki
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Salam ,
You make an important point here.I think we all have missed an impt point,the answer has been right there!If we can eat and drink till the white thread of dawn is distinct from its black thread,meaning throughout the period of darkness right?once the white thread appears,we can no longer eat.Hmmn the 2 reference point shud be consistent right?eaning frm first light to last light?But i am still not sure because of 3637,however is dawn considered day?or issit a period on its own?day begins at sunrise right?and if dawn is a period distinct,should not be the sunset be distinct too?Well at present i am unsure,a comprehensive article as to be written using references of all verseto proof a consistent evaluation of night,because our current understandings have 2 opposing viewpoints,and it must be we are failing to see something,God never contradicts.Salam.
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aslmualaykm! handshake
but wait! isnt there 12 hours of sun sun and 12 hours of no sun.sun sun its day no sun its night,it makes sence to me that way.(althought dawn and sunset have light,no sun,light)
althought that explanation of layl=night and sunset are two different things.it says stop eating when u the white thread its visible from the black thread(dawn),but! not "start" eating the SAME way.it just says start eating when its night.
_dawn,no sun yet,therefor its not "day"(only light)(stop eating)
_sunset,no sun anymore,the day its gone.(limited light)
i stick to breaking it after sunset(night) not at sunset(day),i dont think allah will go to hard on us.
everyone be strong in our fasting days!
aslm handshake
