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    Alen
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    Peace
    Alen, rape is actually not a sex crime/attack.
    Joe

    Peace.

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    And the already married from the women, except those who become widowed; God's scripture is over you; and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking with your money to be protected and not for illicit sex. As for those whom you have already had joy with them, then you shall give them their wage as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

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    And do not come near adultery, for it is a sin and an evil path.

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    The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity take you over God's system if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
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    The adulterer will only marry an adulteress or one who is an idolatress. And the adulteress, she will only be married to an adulterer or an idolater. And this has been forbidden for the believers.

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    And those who do not call on any other god with God, nor do they kill the life that God has made forbidden except in justice, nor do they commit adultery; and whosoever does that will receive the punishment.

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    O you prophet, if the believing women come to make allegiance to you that they will not set up anything beside God, nor steal, nor commit adultery, nor kill their unborn children, nor fabricate any falsehood, nor disobey you in any matter which is righteous, then you shall accept their allegiance, and ask God to forgive them. God is Forgiver, Merciful.

    Peace.

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      TheNabi
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      Peace

      Alen, when someone rapes another person it is not because the person is sexually attracted to that person. It's an aggressive crime that has nothing to do with how the attacked person looks. Surely you've heard reports of women raping men, or men raping grandmothers, etc? There are instances where the person who rapes another does not even have an erect penis and remains flaccid throughout the attack.

      Rape does not = Attack based on sexual attraction

      Joe

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        TheNabi
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        Peace

        I said rape is not a sex crime, but it is. What I meant is that it is not sexually motivated. So people don't just rape people because they think they're hot. I learned that it is usually a control thing.

        Joe

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          unknownuser
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          Regarding the original question My question is why shouldn't men cover up? What purpose do we have exposing our private parts or extra skin?
          Your question is a logical one, but once you think about it, why does anyone need to show off their beauty other than to ask for people to harass them? Anyone, man or woman, who shows off their beauty isn't right in the mind.

          This is a very good question, and I will (inshaAllah) find a verse which says to "maintain chastity" "conceal private parts" or something to that effect that is broad to apply to both men and women.

          I think people will agree that men, for the most part, are the ones commiting the sex crimes and forcing sex. Child molestation in women is much less than a male molesting a child from what I hear on.

          My mother is right that women dont think like "that" all the time, but men do, if not, most of the time.

          Oh children of Adam, We have granted you garments to cover your nakedness, and as means of adornment for you. The best attire is that of piety. This (in itself) is one of the signs of Allah. Perhaps, they would bear (that) in mind.

          Here we see we have to cover ourselves up. Very clear.

          The submitting men, the submitting women, the believing men, the believing women, the obedient men, the obedient women, the truthful men, the truthful women, the steadfast men, the steadfast women, the reverent men, the reverent women, the charitable men, the charitable women, the fasting men, the fasting women, the chaste men, the chaste women, and the men who commemorate GOD frequently, and the commemorating women; GOD has prepared for them forgiveness and a great recompense.

          Both are mentioned to be chaste. We are commanded to be chaste, and for those who are of the part of the list mentioned in the verse, there is a forgiveness and a great recompense. So clearly we both have to be chaste and cover ourselves up.\

          This is the next part, what is chaste? Well, Allah gave us logic. He gave us good judgement and bad judgement and allows us to choose right and wrong, and He guides whom He pleases. So this is a great outline for a "dress code".

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          YUSUFALI Who abstain from sex,
          PICKTHAL And who guard their modesty -
          SHAKIR And who guard their private parts,

          Personally, I go with pickthal on this one and Shakir too. Yusuf's translation is too extreme and is not inline with the other two.
          So either way, we are supposed to gaurd out modestly, or to maintain chastity. As you see, this is from Al-Mumeneen, the believers. The context is about believers so we can see that this is regarding believers. As you can see it does not mention male or female. So the believers are those who gaurd their chastity.

          So, gaurd modesty, what is modesty? Well, if you someone looks at in a lustful way, or if you think that someone might, then make it so they dont. Simple )

          Tell the believing men that they shall subdue their eyes, and to maintain their chastity. This is purer for them. GOD is fully Cognizant of everything they do.

          If we are supposed to subdue our EYES, does this mean we can wear short shorts and show off our chests and intimate parts? What would that be like? Its like a woman who is wearing a hijab but wearing a miniskirt and showing clevage. So logically, cover up.

          Its really very simple. Dont wear clothes that show your private parts, or that makes someone (other than family like mom dad brother etc and whatever else the Allah allows) look at you like "that".

          Hope it helped.

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            Elke
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            Salaam Reza,

            you're post was a very good and enlightening one, but i couldn't let this one pass

            Its really very simple. Dont wear clothes that show your private parts, or that makes someone (other than family like mom dad brother etc and whatever else the Allah allows) look at you like "that".

            I guess you meant "see" you like that rotfl

            lk

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              nerspi
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              peace

              very good post Reza, it helped, it's what i was looking for, thanks.

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                unknownuser
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                peace

                very good post Reza, it helped, it's what i was looking for, thanks.

                Alhamdulellah!

                Salaam Reza,

                you're post was a very good and enlightening one, but i couldn't let this one pass

                I guess you meant "see" you like that rotfl

                lk

                Haha, sorry, yeah I meant see. lol.

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