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Quranic Initials (ALM, TS, KHYAS etc)

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    nadeem
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    Hi brother Fahad,

    I get the impression that the brother uses hadith as his source for these initials, as he says "It's impossible that the companions of the prophet did not know the meaning of these.". I agree with Brother Mannan that the companions of the prophet must've had knowledge of these initials. In fact, as the quran says it was made clear for the arabs so that they could understand, I'd think it's safe to assume that these initials were common knowledge as the abbreviations PS and LOL are today.

    There are two english translations of the quran that translate these abbreviations, and these are QXP and Maulana Ali's translation. Click the link below to see their translations
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    Again, I think it's a good idea to contact brother Mannan, as according his own book his "islamic library" was awarded the best personal islamic library by some magazine. I think therefore that the brother is sitting on a huge bank of information.

    Nadeem

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      phoenix1
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      peace Wakas,

      Thank you for the recommendation. I've never really thought of the Quran having patterns. Guess I was wrong.
      But what exactly is the book's main point? that the chapters talk about one particular thing? Or some other pattern?

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        Wakas
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        peace,

        But what exactly is the book's main point? that the chapters talk about one particular thing?

        Basically, yes.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          Fahad1
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          Hi brother Fahad,

          I get the impression that the brother uses hadith as his source for these initials, as he says "It's impossible that the companions of the prophet did not know the meaning of these.". I agree with Brother Mannan that the companions of the prophet must've had knowledge of these initials. In fact, as the quran says it was made clear for the arabs so that they could understand, I'd think it's safe to assume that these initials were common knowledge as the abbreviations PS and LOL are today.

          There are two english translations of the quran that translate these abbreviations, and these are QXP and Maulana Ali's translation. Click the link below to see their translations
          Link

          Thanks for looking up the translations, bro. But neither translator provides any reason. Maybe Phoenix1 can provide us some good reasons, since he has similar views.

          Phoenix1?

          Again, I think it's a good idea to contact brother Mannan, as according his own book his "islamic library" was awarded the best personal islamic library by some magazine. I think therefore that the brother is sitting on a huge bank of information.

          Does he have an email address?

          Thanks.

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            nadeem
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            Hi brother Fahad,

            I was not able to find the email address of brother Abdul Mannan, but his publishers email address is alnoorfoundation @ hotmail . com and their website is http//www.islamusa.org/.

            Nadeem

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              phoenix1
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              peace Fahad,

              sorry.
              I meant that depending on where Nadeem's explanation goes, this could be the correct understanding, because no other theory I've come across has been convincing. What Nadeem said seems logical, but that's all I can say in favor of it.

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                unknownuser
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                Peace all,

                Brother Ayman's article at the following link sheds some light on this topic (look at the end of the article)

                http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/language.htm

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                  Fahad1
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                  Peace all,

                  Brother Ayman's article at the following link sheds some light on this topic (look at the end of the article)

                  http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/language.htm

                  Thanks Tanveer.

                  I'll check it out.

                  peace.

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                    al-amiyr
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                    Salam all.

                    What exactly are the Quranic Initials? They are closely followed by the mention of ?Al Kitab? or ?Al Quran? or ?these are the ayat of?? etc. What is their relation with what follows them? Any idea(except for code-19)? Because it looks like a pattern

                    Like Alif Laam Meem is followed closely by ?Al Kitab?, except in 291 and 301

                    My red emphasis in your words I have quoted above.

                    salaam+

                    You are perfectly correct in your observations. What have you concluded after all these years? I would be very interested to know. I will also start a thread soon on this matter inshaa ALLAAH

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                      Mazhar
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                      Individually Letter and consonants of Arabic alphabet do not mirror anything verbally. Arabic is a language of syllables and verbal information is conveyed only by a syllable comprising atleast of a consonant and vowel, even if it conveys only a bit of information.
                      This fact too leads to Dualism which is the fundamental principle of physical realm.

                      So called Mystery of Initial Letter/Consonants

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                        al-amiyr
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                        Individually Letter and consonants of Arabic alphabet do not mirror anything verbally. Arabic is a language of syllables and verbal information is conveyed only by a syllable comprising atleast of a consonant and vowel, even if it conveys only a bit of information.
                        This fact too leads to Dualism which is the fundamental principle of physical realm.

                        So called Mystery of Initial Letter/Consonants

                        Can you give an example of my brown emphases of your above statement, "at least of a consonant and a vowel" or do you mean at least two consonants and ...?

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                          Mazhar
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                          Can you give an example of my brown emphases of your above statement, "at least of a consonant and a vowel" or do you mean at least two consonants and ...?

                          It is the smallest syllable; a consonant coupled with a vowel . It has verbal expression-meanings.

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                            al-amiyr
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                            It is the smallest syllable; a consonant coupled with a vowel . It has verbal expression-meanings.

                            Very good brother!

                            Although it is a preposition it can denote a type of verbal action even if it is not a verb.

                            Do you have knowledge as to the significance of the dot beneath? and why the letter is called al-baa'u?, why it is the second consonantal letter?, and why it is a preposition? This I can discuss with you in great detail if you wish to know inshaa ALLAAH.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Very good brother!

                              Although it is a preposition it can denote a type of verbal action even if it is not a verb.

                              Do you have knowledge as to the significance of the dot beneath? and why the letter is called al-baa'u?, why it is the second consonantal letter?, and why it is a preposition? This I can discuss with you in great detail if you wish to know inshaa ALLAAH.

                              Pl go ahead.

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                                farida
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                                salaam+
                                This is my favourite subject I hope exchange will go on this thread not on PM insha'ALLAAH sun

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  dude they are letters

                                  who says they have to mean something more than letters?

                                  check with caligraphy expert compare to japanese calligraphy

                                  ALLAH giude me but i don't speak the language

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