Muslim women Marrying Non-Muslims
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Salaam,
I would like to know what you believe concerning Muslim women marrying non-Muslim males?From my understanding the Quran says do not marry your children to PAGANS, and later goes on to say that Muslim males can marry People of the Book. If this is the case then I see no reason why it would be wrong for a Muslim woman to marry a person who is of the book. The Quran clearly says do not marry your daughters and SONS to Pagans, therefore People of the book couldn't be.........
salaam
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Qur?an has permitted Muslims to wed Christian girls. It says ?(All) good things have this day been made lawful to you. The food of those to whom the Book was given is lawful to you, and yours to them. Lawful to you are the free believing women and the free women from among those who were given the Book before you, provided that you give them their dowries (Mehar) and live in honour with them, neither committing fornication nor taking them as mistresses...? (55)
Please note that the above permission is not absolute. Food and women of the people who were given the Book, have been described to be lawful in the same verse. Both of them are unconditional, irrespective of other laws regarding food or women or other laws, stated in connection with either of the two. Some scholars are of the opinion that the food permission of the people of the Book is subjected to the conditions laid down in other verses describing food (Zabeeha) laws. They however, insist that the permission of marrying their women is absolute and unconditional. This is obviously illogical and against common sense. Compared to them, the opinion of those Ulema is more logical who say that both the food and women of people of the book are permitted unconditionally. Obviously this is also not judicious. It would mean that the food of the people of the Book will be permitted even if they do not pronounce the name of One God over it or even if they slaughter the animals in the name of gods other than Allah. If they slaughter with incorrect procedure or abruptly (with Jhatka), even then it would be permitted. Qur?an has clearly prohibited the meat of that animal on which the name of other than Allah is pronounced and that meat is also forbidden over which the name of Allah is not pronounced. This condition will surely apply to the above verse. Similarly the clearly defined principles of marriage will also apply to the above verse. Marriage in relations specified in the verses 4 22-23 is unlawful. For example, marrying a real niece is not permitted irrespective of whether she is a Muslim or Christian. Similarly Qur?an says ?You shall not wed Mushrik women (idolatresses or those ascribing partners to Allah) till they believe (in One God alone)...? (2221) This condition will also apply in case of marriage to a Christian. That is, marriage with a Christian girl is permitted only if she believes and proclaims that Jesus Christ was not the Son of Allah but His bondsman and a prophet.
The primary aim of any girl to embrace Islam may have been the love of a man. There is no harm in it, but the conversion should be sincere and not a farce, otherwise there is no need of conversion. An adult man and woman, whose marriage is otherwise lawful, can marry without the permission of the parents but it is not advisable. Adults should behave and think like mature adults. You must be aware of Christians marrying into other religions for missionary purpose. Thousands of unwary Muslims are being lured by Christian suitors in this manner. They even feign to become Muslims for the purpose of such marriages and in a short time convince their partners to leave Islam. A sincere Muslim who has the sense of enquiring about Islamic view cannot take such risks which may endanger his eternal life.
If the girl remains a Christian, the change of name is unnecessary. If she embraces Islam sincerely, though Islam does not bind her to change the name (if the meaning of the name is not Un-Islamic), she should not be averse to the suggestion. However if she is not deceiving or falsely posing to embrace Islam and she wants to keep her old name, there is no compulsion over her.
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A slight corrections
Please note that the above permission is not absolute. Food and women/men of the people who were given the Book, have been described to be lawful in the same verse. Both of them are unconditional, irrespective of other laws regarding food or women or other laws,
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"Qur?an has clearly prohibited the meat of that animal on which the name of other than Allah is pronounced and that meat is also forbidden over which the name of Allah is not pronounced. "
2173 He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
6145 Say "I do not find in what is inspired to me forbidden except that it be already dead, or blood, or the meat of pig, for it is foul; or what is corruptly dedicated to other than God." Whoever is forced without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
i couldn't find where it says that it is forbiden to eat meat where the name of Allah is not pronounced.
but i think that today we can eat meat that was killed and the name of God was not mentioned, since most of us don't kill the animals we eat but we still need to eat meat.
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Peace be with you
To understand the verses on marriage to non muslims we should not confuse the words mushrik, pagan and idolatress. Mushrik is setting up partners with Allah and according to Quraan majority of present day Christians and Jews fall in to this category. Also I believe people of the book are people who follow the revealed books not people with man made books.
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Salaam
Mushrik is setting up partners with Allah and according to Quraan majority of present day Christians and Jews *fall in to this category
- and muslims
Also I believe people of the book are people who follow the revealed books not people with man made books
At the time of the Quran the majority of christians and jews were already following man made books. God knew that; and muslims did not (yet), and God knew that as well, and knew that they will.
So let's take the verse as it is and not analyse who was or is doing what. Or at least treat each person according to their belief, and scan them for shirk. Then this labeling of christian, muslim, jewish, hindu... will be redundant.
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Peace be with you
To understand the verses on marriage to non muslims we should not confuse the words mushrik, pagan and idolatress. Mushrik is setting up partners with Allah and according to Quraan majority of present day Christians and Jews (and Muslims) fall in to this category. Also I believe people of the book are people who follow the revealed books not people with man made books.
Correction
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Peace Samia and Bmbmm
If you carefully read NPs and Nadeems posts on top you will gather the subject of the thread. Mainly it is whether a muslim can marry a christian since Quraan allows marriage to
people of the book.In the rush to correct both of you are calling the Muslims as Mushriks? Submitting Mushriks?
The Quraan allows marrying from the people of the book but not mushrikeen/people who set up partners with Allah. We need to define these people with the help of the Quraan.
Also the Quraan labels Jews, Christians, Disbelievers, Munafiqs so I guess we can not make these labels redundant.
Also if you look closely both the majority and the minority are covered in the Quraan.
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Salaam warner
Both of you are calling the Muslims as Mushriks? Submitting Mushriks
The "muslims" I was talking about do not like to "translate" their "name". It's a name, not an attribute.Thus, I wont call them "submitting mushriks" but mushrik muslims.
They named themselves muslims, but God named those who are similar to Ibrahim "muslims". Islam of today is inherited your father was born in a "muslim" family, then you are a muslim. If you were not born in a muslim family and you convert to Islam, you should present, when required, a certificate of naturalzation...oops ...I mean of islamization
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Salaam,
All that I want to know is
Am I correct when I say that Allah NEVER says that Muslims are forbiden to marry non-Muslims?
It is clear that Muslims cannot marry Murshriks..... am I correct when I say that Mushriks are pagans? (not simply those who may not be Muslims or Believers)
What if someone believes in one God> Are they are a pagan?
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Peace be upon you NP
The word muslim is not used in the Quraan relating to this verse. It is referring to believers. (There is a great misunderstanding between muslim and mumin/believers among many including the FM main page article. I do not want to go in to that since it is another topic for discussion) To simplify matters and for the relevance of this thread lets say believers mean those who believe in Allah, messenger and the revelation.
The Quraanic law verses are very clear to which individual or group/s they are directed and it is important for us to understand the word mushrik and disbelievers.
Pagan is a wrong translation for mushrik. It is wrong to use pagan or idolatry/idol worshipper to describe mushrik or disbelievers as many translations do. A person who believes /serves one God is a monotheist. A person who believes/serves many Gods is a Polytheist. Polytheists and atheists are referred to as disbelievers in the Quraan along with anyone who reject God, messengers and the revelation. A believer or muslim( if we use the common description to describe believers of Gods last message) can not marry a disbeliever.
You are correct in saying a muslim can not marry a mushrik.
Mushrik is a person who sets up partners to God. To set up partners they must first believe in God. They believe in Allah but they add others to divinity in different levels and relationships. Setting up partnership can lead to disbelief.
Eg. Christian claim that Jesus messenger of Allah being God.
Also if someone while believing in Allah takes the priests or anyone as their lords they will be setting up partners to Allah.
Although we can not go ahead and call people mushriks other than the ones identified in the Quraan the following actions will be setting up partnership to Allah according to Quraan.( Although personally I would not call them mushriks because I do not have any authority and it is not my business)
Anyone while believing in Allah, the messenger and the revealed message takes priests and such as lords or follow commands contrary to the revelation and/or assumes that he/she needs intercessors, is setting up partners. Someone who believes in Allah but at the same time puts his trust in his wealth, property, children etc is setting up partners too. The list can be long. As long as a person serves anyone other than Allah according to what is revealed he/she is becoming a candidate to being a mushrik.
I hope you will have better understanding of the verses with the above explanation.
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Salaam,
Thanks but honestly I am confused.
Say for instance I met a man who believed in one God and did not add any partners to him. Just believe in one God and no partners. At the same time though he did not believe in that the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, etc were messengers. Is he a mushrik?
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http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5916.msg106431#new
My 1st post
What in the world is a "non-muslim?"
You can guess about whether a person is actually good by their actions. If their actions are genuinly good, then they are followers of God. If they aren't good people, then there's no point in marrying them (unless they are very very old and very very rich).My reply to Boost
what does "submitter to God" mean, exactly? and what exactly is god?
I think if a person is a good person. He/she does good things for the right reasons, then he/she is a submitter to God.
Because what are the attributes of god mentioned in the quran? I think if a person displays those attributes, then he is serving god, isn't he? -
Peace be on you
I am not an expert to answer your question but I will try since this might lead to a discussion with many opinions from others.
I think believing that there is One God is not enough. A person has to believe in Allah as described in the Quraan. Personally I have not come across any other book which gives such a detailed and undiluted description of a Supreme God. The bible description we can not take because of the partnership issue among other things.
Although too numerous to quote we find many verses describing Allah directly and indirectly,
He is Allah the One, eternal absolute ?.
He is Allah Almighty Merciful
Lord of the Alamin
The creator, knower, the wise..
So if anyone believes in One God who does not have all this attributes to Him as described in the Quraan that does not describe ?The God?.
Another important factor is how did this hypothetical man you met come to conclude that there is One God ?
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Hmmm im unsure on this one. We all know you are not allowed to marry pagans (unless you have no one else). Christians jews muslims, ok. Though whatever happens, children must be muslim in every case.
Heres where it involves your situation. You are a muslim WOMAN. the Quran forbids muslim WOMEN from marrying non muslim men, even christians/jews. This was because In the old times, Men usually had more authority over the family (not in that sense). Usually, what the man was, the children became. THe woman was a passive spouse. So the children wouldnt become the religion of the mother, usually. Today, is different. So I would say, if children are muslim, its ok. Allah/ god knows best.
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the Quran forbids muslim WOMEN from marrying non muslim men,
Please quote the vrse that says so.
children must be muslim in every case.
Also, where did you get that from? Do you want to say muslim parents' children become automatically muslims, even if they change their religion, or know nothing about Islam? Is Islam a "nationality" or a gene to be inherited?
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We have to DEFINE "Muslim", in order to know wether we can or cannot marry "Non Muslims'.
Salam.
Exactly, that's what i have been saying all the time here.
Muslim is a person who does this and that and then we eliminate what muslim isn't then we have all the muslims in frobnt of us and then we choose who to marry.For example, in Slovenia, there are 47.000 Muslims. All sunnis. But they don't pray, fast, The Quran is there to just collect dust and some don't even know they're sunnis, get it?
So.
Now we have to find all the Muslims who follow just The Quran.
In Slovenia, there are only 2 of them out of 47.000.
You do the math.Peace.
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So you have 'judged' 46,998 people alen?