Praying a Christian Prayer
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Peace Magi, Ironski,
Such a community is gonna become a system again! you know why? because its members have EGO.
Why after prophets were gone, their communities vanished!!? you think the other systems contaminated them? No it disintegrated from within.The cancer comes from within! First you need people awakend to their EGO! There is no other way!
and once you come to know your self and see the EGO, you are not going to escape the society anymore, because now you know your responsibility to awaken the others! to themselves!
Did prophet Mohammad escaped the society with his mates? No first the members were made while interacting with the system. The community came afterwards. First spread the message, then the community can start taking shape. Along the way the resisting forces will learn you, what you need to have!
Having such an ideal (The divine society) is divine. Missing it is a prayer. Passing the flame of SELF-KNOWLEDGE is our direct responsibility! Maybe our grand grand grand......... childeren will see it!
BUT THAT IDEAL SHOULS NOT DISTRACT OUR ATTENTION FROM THAT WHICH WE SHOULD CHANGE TODAY! IN HERE AND NOW!
FLAME YOUR OWN TORCH AND PASS IT ON!
peace,
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Alpha, i think both Ironsky and i agree with you. both has to happen at the same time.
FLAME YOUR OWN TORCH AND PASS IT ON!
we should leave this explosive gas chamber first. and make holes for the fumes to vent through.
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I dont have any illusions of a perfect society. My argument is based on the foundation upon which the system rests, as opposed to making a new foundation on the right principles, and let that grow.
We cannot change this house we are in, because its foundation is completely skewed. Its design is so flawed, that building a new house on it only leads to more of the same. As has been the cycle, for a fair amount of time now, regardless of warnings, and warners comming. We must make a new foundation, for the house generations after us will build.
All the prophets were dealing with local conflicts. and there is a great example in that, and the example itself is that it should be local conflicts, as oppsed to world conflict and manipulation. We are dealing with something that know makes itself known as "The New World Order". The messenger found his followers in his close community, before the advent of mind altering chemicals, shit for food, and a daily dose of effective brainwashing through media, Through symbol all around us. Our brains are in constant overdrive processing all the signals we recieve today, just walking down the street in a large city. In other words, people back then was far better fitted, for thinking really hard about something. I think this is altso the reason why certain 'elements' are not the least bit impressed with the constructs we call UN, NATO etc. Because they dont see the construct, the illusion, they see people. They are conditioned, but in another way than we have been.
Any of us will find it hard to find just few people in their local community that are aware of things, or even care. So a global system, has breed a global population of believers from various creeds, and we are scattered all over, rather than connected through our own system. A believers system. The advent of the internet has given us a chance to meet eachother.
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Peace Magi,
Nice to have someone like you to show us the other side of the coin. A community is resiliant if everybody can manifest her own uniqueness. So keep on going showing your vision my friend. That is your responsibility and your call, even if it is difficult and even if others likeme react like a deaf to you. You are doing what you should do.
We are listening, go on.peace
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Peace,
The influenza virus has met it's match! Supercells kicking arse!
I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with both arguments. As alpha said, change comes from within. And I believe that as living examples, we can change those close around us after changing ourselves, and this can increase exponentially through time, efficiently infecting and destroying the system from the inside out.
At the same time, while being in the system, it is very, very difficult to see the forest from the trees because of information overload. We are rats in a cage - or more precisely, rats on amphetamines in a cage. Eevryone is so busy working to try to build the "dream", that there's not much time left to ponder and work on self-actualization. You may catch someone on a coffee break and he/she may converse and understand and get all worked up, but 5 minutes later, it's time to get back to work to get that check to pay for that mortgage, student loan, car payment, Christmas shopping, etc, etc.
I've said all along that the most free people in America are the homeless and college students. Everone else is being indoctrinated heavily or indoctrinating others, unkowingly.
The times dictate that any culture trying to flourish from outside the system has, looming in the background, the ultimate consequence of being labeled a terrorst organization. Next, comes the bunker busters and the freezing of assets and destroying of algriculture, etc.
Therefore, I feel at this point that the change will require a 2-pronged strategy. One from within, and one from without - each supporting the other. It will require good, savvy people to climb the ranks and work within the system, greasing any palms along the way, in order to alter the light that shines on the society that is being built outside of the system.
I have more details in mind but just wanted to bounce the basic premise off of you all.
Peace,
Tay