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INTRODUCTION TO PEACEFULNESS

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    unknownuser
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    Peace be upon you Warner,

    Do you know the story of Musa? Did he fight Firaun physically? No he didnt, because the God does not command that you fight physically unless it is self defense.

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      warner
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      Peace Idolfree

      Self defence and retaliation. The command of God has to be fulfilled and God does not command injustice.

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        7214-15 is interesting. In 7214, the word muslimoon is being contrasted with al-qasitoon (unjust/inequitable people). Hence, muslims are just/equitable, and seek what is rashad/correct . Rashad is the opposite of that which is harmful (7221).

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          Peace,

          Great article, Ayman.

          I would like to share my view regarding the story of Abraham and Jacob.

          37102 And when he grew enough to work with him, he said "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, patient."
          37103 So when they became peaceful, and he pulled him to his forehead.
          37104 And We called him "O Abraham,"
          37105 "You have believed the vision." It was such that We rewarded the righteous.
          37106 Surely, this was an exacting test.
          37107 And We ransomed him with a great animal sacrifice.
          37108 And We kept his history for those who came later.

          Why does The God tell Abraham that he believed the vision when according to the revised interpretation he did not make any attempt to believe the vision and try to sacrifice his son ?

          Why did The God ransom him with a great animal sacrifice ? That does not make sense if Abraham did not even try to sacrifice the son and became peaceful instead and pulled him to his forehead ? What was the animal sacrifice for ? For becoming peaceful ??

          There is no "animal" in 37107 and this story has nothing to do about Abraham having wanted to slaughter his son.

          37102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am giving you up for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, steadfast/patient."

          Abraham told his son that he is giving up his son for a noble cause, not to slaughter him. His son being steadfast/patient fits perfectly here, since his mission as a prophet/his future life will require patience/steadfastness.

          37103 So when they both became peaceful, and he (Abraham) pulled him (Jacob) to his forhead.
          37104 We called to him "O Abraham,"
          37105 You have already affirmed/acknowledged the vision. It is such that We reward the doers of good.

          37106 Surely, this was an exacting test.

          Giving up one's current life for a noble cause is indeed an exacting test.

          37107 We exchanged him (Jacob) with a tremendous sacrifice.

          "Animal" does not appear in this verse. This verse is telling us that Jacob's current life has been exchanged by a tremendous sacrifice (i.e. giving up his life for a noble cause), namely becoming righteous, a muslim/one who is peaceful, a prophet, etc.

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            ayman
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            Peace Progressive1993,

            Great article, Ayman.
            I would like to share my view regarding the story of Abraham and Jacob.
            There is no "animal" in 37107 and this story has nothing to do about Abraham having wanted to slaughter his son.
            37102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am giving you up for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, steadfast/patient."
            Abraham told his son that he is giving up his son for a noble cause, not to slaughter him. His son being steadfast/patient fits perfectly here, since his mission as a prophet/his future life will require patience/steadfastness.
            37103 So when they both became peaceful, and he (Abraham) pulled him (Jacob) to his forhead.
            37104 We called to him "O Abraham,"
            37105 You have already affirmed/acknowledged the vision. It is such that We reward the doers of good.
            37106 Surely, this was an exacting test.
            Giving up one's current life for a noble cause is indeed an exacting test.
            37107 We exchanged him (Jacob) with a tremendous sacrifice.
            "Animal" does not appear in this verse. This verse is telling us that Jacob's current life has been exchanged by a tremendous sacrifice (i.e. giving up his life for a noble cause), namely becoming righteous, a muslim/one who is peaceful, a prophet, etc.

            Thanks for sharing your view. It makes great sense.

            Peace and all best wishes,

            Ayman

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              Wakas
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              Peace,

              Great article, Ayman.

              I would like to share my view regarding the story of Abraham and Jacob.

              There is no "animal" in 37107 and this story has nothing to do about Abraham having wanted to slaughter his son.

              37102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am giving you up for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, steadfast/patient."

              Abraham told his son that he is giving up his son for a noble cause, not to slaughter him. His son being steadfast/patient fits perfectly here, since his mission as a prophet/his future life will require patience/steadfastness.

              37103 So when they both became peaceful, and he (Abraham) pulled him (Jacob) to his forhead.
              37104 We called to him "O Abraham,"
              37105 You have already affirmed/acknowledged the vision. It is such that We reward the doers of good.

              37106 Surely, this was an exacting test.

              Giving up one's current life for a noble cause is indeed an exacting test.

              37107 We exchanged him (Jacob) with a tremendous sacrifice.

              "Animal" does not appear in this verse. This verse is telling us that Jacob's current life has been exchanged by a tremendous sacrifice (i.e. giving up his life for a noble cause), namely becoming righteous, a muslim/one who is peaceful, a prophet, etc.

              Forgot to say I concur.

              Nice find.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                zubairus
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                peace all

                ,

                If I may inquire, what was the noble cause mentioned therein and how was it realised?

                Zubairus

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                  Wakas
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                  peace z,

                  It likely refers to spreading the message or establishing the system elsewhere. I am currently reviewing the story of Abraham in its chronological sequence.

                  The following is a modification of the above post by progressive1993.

                  37102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you (i.e. giving you up) for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, patient.
                  37103 So when they both submitted (or became peaceful), and he (Abraham) brought him to his forehead.*
                  37104 And We called to him "O Abraham,
                  37105 You have fulfilled the vision." It is such that We reward the doers of good.
                  37106 Surely, this was a clear test.
                  37107 We exchanged him with a tremendous sacrifice.
                  37108 And we left for him among the later generations.

                  *Root Ta-Lam-Lam lay one down upon one's kin (neck/cheek/breast), or forehead in this case. This could be commonly done when one says goodbye to a loved one such as a son/daughter/etc.
                  Giving up one's son for a noble cause (e.g. spreading the message) is indeed an exacting test, and a tremendous sacrifice.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    abdalquran
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                    Can we maybe link 37/105 with 48/27?

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                      Wakas
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                      Can you elaborate?

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        javed1
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                        Salam
                        Very interesting thread.If as is the implication that this Ibrahims story did not involve a preparation for physical slaughter then how can we explain"37103 So when they both became peaceful, and he (Abraham) pulled him (Jacob) to his forhead ".Is it a normal thing to do?
                        37106 Surely, this was an exacting test.Looks like a real difficult test if Allah Taala himself is calling it such
                        And thirdly the presence of the word 'sacrifice' in 37107 need to be pondered upon.Interesting neverthless.
                        Javed

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                          unknownuser
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                          The sacrifice is craving.
                          To crave sensation is to crave nothing.
                          To desire something is to destroy it.
                          To desire it is to submit your will to it
                          Thus have you joined partners to ALLAH
                          For ALLAH has no partners.
                          ALLAH is one, whole, indivisible.
                          Craving splits ALLAH into little pieces
                          The more you crave, the faster they go
                          The reason being, all that you are seeing has not reached its perfection
                          Yet its perfection is that which brought it into existence
                          If you have only taken from others to construct your garden
                          Then who will be there at the end when it withers away?

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