forgiveness
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Abrar wrote
It is advisable for the hurt person to forgive as easily as possible to ensure his personal peace of mind
Forgive what if the guilty person repented and compensated? If this person is still angry, this is called transgression. He has no forgiveness to give, but he is asked to try to forget. After repentence and compensating, forgiveness is now in the realm of God. The repenting person is clear in this world and should not bother about the other one. But here comes the "iSla7" where the repenting person should teach the hurt one some good manners!!
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samia wrote
Forgive what if the guilty person repented and compensated? If this person is still angry, this is called transgression. He has no forgiveness to give, but he is asked to try to forget. After repentence and compensating, forgiveness is now in the realm of God. The repenting person is clear in this world and should not bother about the other one. But here comes the "iSla7" where the repenting person should teach the hurt one some good manners!!okay...so how does 1 determine "compensation"? -)
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Salam.
When a person thinks of revenge and not forgiving, that person should think, first of the near future (will the revenge harm or benefit his near future), then the person should think about the distant future (will the revenge harm or benefit his distant future) and finally the person should think about the Judgment Day will it matter if he avenges himself and gets angry and doesn't forgive and goes on what his feelings say and kills the man who, this is an example, who burned down his house.
Think of The Judgment Day.
Peace.
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alen wrote
When a person thinks of revenge and not forgiving, that person should think, first of the near future (will the revenge harm or benefit his near future), then the person should think about the distant future (will the revenge harm or benefit his distant future) and finally the person should think about the Judgment Day will it matter if he avenges himself and gets angry and doesn't forgive and goes on what his feelings say and kills the man who, this is an example, who burned down his house.Think of The Judgment Day.
an interesting example! -)
what if u think i am being unjust to u, but i disagree and think what i am doing is perfectly alright, and continue in my arrogance...
...how would u deal with me? -)
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an interesting example! -)
what if u think i am being unjust to u, but i disagree and think what i am doing is perfectly alright, and continue in my arrogance...
...how would u deal with me? -)
Salam.
Person A says and thinks is just to person B.
Person B thinks person A is lying and that person A is really being unjust.
Person A knows this, ignores it and contnues.
That is why person B has the right to take action and defend himself.Peace.
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alen wrote
Person A says and thinks is just to person B.
Person B thinks person A is lying and that person A is really being unjust.
Person A knows this, ignores it and contnues.
That is why person B has the right to take action and defend himself."b" is powerless against "a", and "a" continues to exploit....what should "b" do here?
....hate/curse/wish evil for "a".....or something else? -)
..ofcourse, besides doing all else s/he can do, including praying to god n blah blah blah! -)
salam! peace! -)
salam! peace! -)
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Greetings, O fellow openminded students! (The rest of you, the logout button is on the top, below the search box. Thanks!)
Haven't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if I'm simply repeating.
'Forgiveness' for me is less about anyone else but more about me. Hate, anger and rage are ties, bonds and shackles that will burn and wear and weigh you down and tear you up. To forgive, for me, is therefore about escaping this 'hell' and setting myself free.
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And for he who is patient and forgives, then that is an indication of strength....it takes guts...
Nadeem
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nadeem wrote
Greetings, O fellow openminded students! (The rest of you, the logout button is on the top, below the search box. Thanks!)that's 1 of the more novel greetings i have come across....
though i am not sure why u are helping the rest to locate the logout button! grin
Haven't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if I'm simply repeating.
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'Forgiveness' for me is less about anyone else but more about me. Hate, anger and rage are ties, bonds and shackles that will burn and wear and weigh you down and tear you up. To forgive, for me, is therefore about escaping this 'hell' and setting myself free.
interesting take! -)
....but what do u do if somebody subjects u to the same treatment day in and day out?
....do u forgive them at the start and end of each day...and every second of the day? -)
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And for he who is patient and forgives, then that is an indication of strength....it takes guts...
yeah...and perhaps a good, level head? -)
greetings O openminded student! -)
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Salute to the openminded ones!
that's 1 of the more novel greetings i have come across....
Hehe... just thought I'd say something new -)
though i am not sure why u are helping the rest to locate the logout button!
... so that they may click it...
...but what do u do if somebody subjects u to the same treatment day in and day out?
....do u forgive them at the start and end of each day...and every second of the day? -)
Good question. As far as it is possible, I'd kill them... with kindness. -)
"The servants of the Almighty are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace." (2563)
But again, as far as it is feasible, and taking into account what kind of hostility it is that is being aimed at me.
If it's simple namecalling, or oral abuse, then I have very high pain treshold, and I'd follow the quran on this one, Insh'allah. Forgiveness won't even be a issue as I will refrain from hosting the feeling of blame towards him, insh'allah.
If it's physical abuse, or wrongdoing that can cause me physical, and through that mental, pain. I'd be more repsonsive and confrontational. Difficulties of setting one self free becomes harder proportionally to the strengt of the shackles.
If someone beats me everyday, sure it'll be a ball-busting task to forgive that person, and no sane person should expect me to do that either. But God-willing, I'll let time heal my wounds.
But, I want so much to able to look at violent and abusive people as those who are drowning in a big cold sea. If you go near them, they cling to you with such a force and in their panic they are likely to hit and knock out some of your theeth, but in those moments of stress, can you single out even one split second were you were hating that drowing person? Even if he is hitting you... Bothered, perhaps, but hating?
I'm not sure if I'm making any sense, but that's my 2 cents.
Nadeem
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nadeem wrote
Hehe... just thought I'd say something new -)lolz...and u suceeded mighty well at it!
... so that they may click it...
ah! kill so softly...u do..eh? gotta be wary of u bro! -S grin
Good question. As far as it is possible, I'd kill them... with kindness. -)
ah..the killer in u...not so off the mark...was i? hmm
"The servants of the Almighty are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace." (2563)
But again, as far as it is feasible, and taking into account what kind of hostility it is that is being aimed at me.
If it's simple namecalling, or oral abuse, then I have very high pain treshold, and I'd follow the quran on this one,
Insh'allah. Forgiveness won't even be a issue as I will refrain from hosting the feeling of blame towards him, insh'allah.If it's physical abuse, or wrongdoing that can cause me physical, and through that mental, pain. I'd be more repsonsive and confrontational. Difficulties of setting one self free becomes harder proportionally to the strengt of the shackles.
If someone beats me everyday, sure it'll be a ball-busting task to forgive that person, and no sane person should expect me to do that either. But God-willing, I'll let time heal my wounds.
legends hail job...but u aint doing so bad urself! grin
But, I want so much to able to look at violent and abusive people as those who are drowning in a big cold sea. If you go near them, they cling to you with such a force and in their panic they are likely to hit and knock out some of your theeth, but in those moments of stress, can you single out even one split second were you were hating that drowing person? Even if he is hitting you... Bothered, perhaps, but hating?
...perhaps, if u are able to look at it that way! -)
I'm not sure if I'm making any sense, but that's my 2 cents.
sure u make (sense)! -)
salute to the openminded one! -)
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"b" is powerless against "a", and "a" continues to exploit....what should "b" do here?
....hate/curse/wish evil for "a".....or something else? -)
..ofcourse, besides doing all else s/he can do, including praying to god n blah blah blah! -)
salam! peace! -)
salam! peace! -)
Salam.
B is powerless against A and the latter guy continues with his behaviour? Okay.
Mr., B should do this think of Heaven.
What is heavier Paradise or returning fire?Let's say someone says to me"Hey, Alen, you look like a terrorist with that beard."
My response"May The God Almighty helps us all."
Why?
Because when i stand before The God Almighty, i will remember how back then i mentioned The God Almighty and all he did was naming me a terrorist and then The God Almighty will tell him the Truth. Among others, that i'm not a terrorist.The God Almighty knows best.
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alen wrote
Salam.B is powerless against A and the latter guy continues with his behaviour? Okay.
Mr., B should do this think of Heaven.
What is heavier Paradise or returning fire?Let's say someone says to me"Hey, Alen, you look like a terrorist with that beard."
My response"May The God Almighty helps us all."
Why?
Because when i stand before The God Almighty, i will remember how back then i mentioned The God Almighty and all he did was naming me a terrorist and then The God Almighty will tell him the Truth. Among others, that i'm not a terrorist.okay...how if "a" says to "b" hey "b" and whaps him on the head, every couple of hours! -S
salam! -)
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okay...how if "a" says to "b" hey "b" and whaps him on the head, every couple of hours! -S
salam! -)
Salam.
I like this, i like games, as long as they are reasonable. rotfl
Whaps him on the head every 2 hours?
Would a person allow this?
Would you?
I wouldn't.Peace.
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alen wrote
I like this, i like games, as long as they are reasonable.no..."a" is entirely unreasonable! -S
Whaps him on the head every 2 hours?
thereabouts...maybe every hour if s/he fancies! -S
Would a person allow this?
like i said..."b" is powerless against "a"...if he tries to resists he will only end up gettin double the dose! -S
..so u wont fault "b" for hating "a" with every blood cell of his....or would u? -)
Would you?
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I wouldn't.
amen to that! -)
salam! peace! -)
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no..."a" is entirely unreasonable! -S
thereabouts...maybe every hour if s/he fancies! -S
like i said..."b" is powerless against "a"...if he tries to resists he will only end up gettin double the dose! -S
..so u wont fault "b" for hating "a" with every blood cell of his....or would u? -)
-S
amen to that! -)
salam! peace! -)
Salam.
I'm not saying a person should allow himself or herself to get beaten so you can defend yourself.
Yes, hit back if he hits you first, do not start the attack but defend yourself.Now, my question can you go away, somewhere where i will not be bothered by this person who wants to hit me or slap me?
Peace.
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alen wrote
I'm not saying a person should allow himself or herself to get beaten so you can defend yourself.
Yes, hit back if he hits you first, do not start the attack but defend yourself.cool! -)
Now, my question can you go away, somewhere where i will not be bothered by this person who wants to hit me or slap me?
are u asking me to get lost? -(
...or... if u mean whether "b" can move away from "a".....then no..."b" cannot escape "a"! -)
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cool! -)
are u asking me to get lost? -(
...or... if u mean whether "b" can move away from "a".....then no..."b" cannot escape "a"! -)
Salam.
No, brother, i did not say you personally to go away, i way referring to the example. The person B must therefore run away or simply go some place where person A will not be able to bother him or harm him in any way.
Person B can change continents.
For example, terrorists cannot enter USA because USA has military.
Unless if terrorists live in the White House or the Pentagon, that could be a problem. peace rotfl jedi handshakePeace.
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alen wrote
No, brother, i did not say you personally to go away, i way referring to the example.oh ok...phew
The person B must therefore run away or simply go some place where person A will not be able to bother him or harm him in any way.
Person B can change continents.cool...but i think i better stop bro...
...else u might want to run away from me...or rather drive me away...-S grin
For example, terrorists cannot enter USA because USA has military.
Unless if terrorists live in the White House or the Pentagon, that could be a problem.lolz
salam! peace! -)
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alen wrote
The person B must therefore run away or simply go some place where person A will not be able to bother him or harm him in any way.
Person B can change continents.by the way bro...that's indeed very good advice...(to) move away from those who are unjust to u...if possible! -)
peace! salam! -)