Is hell forever?
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Salaam, Alen,
Whoa there! I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say that criminals/evil people should NOT be punished. OF COURSE, they should be punished! Recently, I happened to be reading about the murders and abuse of certain children and that made me angry! Those murderers DO deserve hell! And they should burn for what they did! For a very, very long time!
That wasn't the point. I don't know how long the men you talked about should be punished (in the afterlife, that is). Only God knows that so I can't answer that. But I assume your suffering is over now? I don't know, but it'll come to an end sometime, right? So the culprit's suffering should come to an end (even after an "eternity" in the afterworld). At least, that's how I feel, because punishing him for MORE than his crimes deserve becomes unfair itself, doesn't it?
I hope you understand my point. Maybe, I'm not articulating it correctly. Sorry if it seemed I suggested evil should NOT be punished...
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Selam, Zehra.
Yesterday when i wrote that article about Hell, i was a little angry and today i see your point. I mean, yes, it would really be unfair that a person should be punished more then s/he desreved.
I guess all i'm trying to say is this Allah knows best.
Peace.
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Salam.
I don't know if this falls under this topic but is it fair that a criminal who never prayed enjoys Heaven with me after serving some time in Hell?
Would it be fair that Slobodan Milo?evi gets into Heaven after being in Hell for a while, after he killed thousands of Muslims in Bosnia?Peace.
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Too much reliance on human emotions without consideration of the faculty of knowledge gives rise to philosophical jargons that leads to such explanations as you have given.
Dear Abrar
Interesting answer. How can you think that you can reject/criticize an article without reading or understanding it. Your answers show that you have not read my arguments.
Peace,
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Peace All, I am having problem with the translation of verse 35-45 (Khalifa, Progressive Muslim, ...) which gives rise to original sin implying even baby is not free of sins. But Parwez translation used the word ?opponents? which implies that the verse is directed towards the disbelievers. This sounds reasonable to me because it leaves room for a sinless human e.g. human babies or a righteous adult. If this is acceptable then we can assert that heaven is guaranteed for the ones who followed the Quran throughout his life. Verse 35-45 (Progressive Muslims) takes this possibility away. Also good deeds nullify bad deeds. My understanding is that the person having more good deeds is sinless (nullified sins are gone for good ? The God?s mercy). Please comment. Thank you.
35-45
"Progressive Muslims"
And if God were to punish the people for what they have earned, He would not leave a single creature standing. But He delays them to a predetermined time. Then, when their time comes, then God is Seer of His servants.?Parwez?
In fact there is a time gap between the action and the manifestation of its results. If that was not the situation, and Allah were to (immediately) take men to task for whatever wrongs they commit, not one soul among the opponents would have been left on the face of this earth. When the period of their respite is over, they all will be seized; for this respite does not mean that their misdeeds have gone out of sight. Nothing is out of His sight; He is ever watchful of everything His followers do (1661). -
Peace be upon you Magi,
I loved the images! They really enhance understanding. Can you elaborate on what you were stating by those images?
Also, to everyone, isnt right now part of eternity?
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I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly doubt that hell is eternal, at least for 99.999999999999% of the people. As you said, and as it says in the Koran like a bagillion gigllioion times, god is most merciful. And I am positive that All people of the book with good intentions will eventually rise out of hell. I guess the only advantage muslims have is getting out of hell earlier than the rest.
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Peace AhmedBahgat, I meant ?Al Akhar". Will the hell people last till the ?Al Akhar"?
sorry mate
your question does not make any sense
can you elaborate?
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I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly doubt that hell is eternal, at least for 99.999999999999% of the people. As you said, and as it says in the Koran like a bagillion gigllioion times, god is most merciful. And I am positive that All people of the book with good intentions will eventually rise out of hell. I guess the only advantage muslims have is getting out of hell earlier than the rest.
What zubairh said makes sense and I`m inclined to agree with him but the words translated in the Quran as "forever" are what pose a problem...
I also agree with Alen. I don`t want to end up in hellfire just to find out how long it is either!
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Peace and greetings,
These verses clarify the arguments of this post.
Chapter 2
80.And they said ?The Fire will not touch us except for a few number of days.? Say ?Have you taken a pledge with God? If so, then God will not break His pledge. Or do you say about God what you do not know??
81.Indeed, whoever gains a sin, and is surrounded by his mistakes; those are the people of the Fire, in it they abide eternally.
82.And those who believe and do good work, they are the people of Paradise, in it they abide eternally. progressive muslims translation. -
Hi,
Im not an Arabic speaker and i was wondering about the translations into English. When the word 'eternity' is being translated, it is the same word as the word 'forever' when it is being translated? In terms of the word 'eternity' in English i think people tend to conceptualise it as 'never ending time', when a more accurate concept may be 'no time', as 'time' as the way we understand it (as a linear series of connected moments) may not exist at all once our consciousness is not attached to matter.
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"Forever" is an interpolation of the actual arabic term - http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=xld#%2822534%29
It does signify eternity/immortality however so keep that in mind.
The truth is that we are a trial product. Until we have exited the factory, we have not proven true to our nature.
So on that fateful day of decision, those who arrogantly turned away will be rendered frozen in their despised state.
Thus it may be deduced that the hellfire is likely to implicate eternity. However the fundamental rule is 'Except as God pleases'.
Does every man of them long to enter the Garden of Bliss?
By no means! For We have created them out of the (base matter) they know!
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11107 according to Sahih int. " abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except what your Lord should will. Indeed, your Lord is an effecter of what He intends."
Aristotle told that the Heavens and the Earth are eternal, which means that there's no space and no time without them. When they are created, the space and the time were created. So, if and when the Heavens and the Earth are no longer there would be no time. There's no "before" and "after" them, because these are time related words. From 11107, and other aayaat, we can understand that Allah can decide different if He wills so, but in general punishment for those in the Fire is eternal.