"Hajj" poll

unknownuser

Salaams pazazzu,

its okay to say that - i remember aidid said that and it made sense but that was before i started my own checks.

The four months of a mating season doesn't exist - it varies for different animals - different seasons and is not restricted to any four months as such so sorry Br. Aidid "you got it wrong".

And pazazzu check it if you have the time Br.

All you need is the internet.

But i believe another Br here at free minds has already debated this a little while back though.

God Bless pazazzu.

unknownuser

Peace all,

The debate/discussion on mating seasons and hunting being referred to by simple is at the following link

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12409.0

god1quran1

Peace all,

I voted "other" as in my understanding "hajj" is annual debate in any of the four restricted months at any local "bayt al-haram"/restricted house/sanctuary appointed not by majority but the real muslims (those who believe in God, and the Last Day, do not set up partners with God, and are righteous in action) and where no partners are set up with God, and which is safe.

Is'nt hajj a call to all the people and not restricted to only the muslims?

unknownuser

Salaam Azfar,

Yes it is for all people (397, 2227) but albayt alharam is appointed by muslims. It gives all mankind a chance to participate in a debate/discussion about The God and His message in a safe environment (397), where no partners are set up with The God (2226), and thus the bayt is to be appointed by muslims.

god1quran1

Salaam Azfar,

Yes it is for all people (397, 2227) but albayt alharam is appointed by muslims. It gives all mankind a chance to participate in a debate/discussion about The God and His message in a safe environment (397), where no partners are set up with The God (2226), and thus the bayt is to be appointed by muslims.

makes sense but not sure how you are translating albayt alharam though?

peace.

unknownuser

Salaam Azfar,

"Albayt alharam" is the physical building where the hajj/debate/conference takes place. It can be translated as the restricted sanctuary; the haram/restricted part coming from it being the physical building where the session of "almasjid alharam"/the institution of hearing and obeying the restriction also takes place, in addition to the hajj/debate, and also from hajj/debate taking place in the shahr alharam.

For more info on "albayt alharam" and "almasjid alharam" please see the following links

http//free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/name.htm

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13210.msg110854#msg110854

Also please see the following relevant article

http//free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm

god1quran1

Salaam Azfar,

"Albayt alharam" is the physical building where the hajj/debate/conference takes place. It can be translated as the restricted sanctuary; the haram/restricted part coming from it being the physical building where the session of "almasjid alharam"/the institution of hearing and obeying the restriction also takes place, in addition to the hajj/debate, and also from hajj/debate taking place in the shahr alharam.

For more info on "albayt alharam" and "almasjid alharam" please see the following links

http//free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/name.htm

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13210.msg110854#msg110854

Also please see the following relevant article

http//free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm

Peace. These are long articles and I do not want to disrespect your work by jotting down a 1 line response. Let me read them.

Am I to assume your understanding of Hajj is different from that of Aidid Safar? Is there any post on the forum that dissects Safar's work on the Hajj issue?

thanks.

unknownuser

Peace Azfar,

Feel free to use the search function to look up discussions about "hajj" on this forum. Also please read the various articles on this subject on the home page of the website.

Alen

Salam.

I read an article regarding pilgrimage and i think it is in Jerusalem. There's much to investigate and verify before i can go there.
God knows best.

Peace.

god1quran1

Peace Azfar,

Feel free to use the search function to look up discussions about "hajj" on this forum. Also please read the various articles on this subject on the home page of the website.

I will.
Can you answer the second part of my post#20

thanks and peace.

unknownuser

Peace Azfar,

I dont know if there has been a discussion on that subject here. I would recommended you to use the search function to browse this forum to see if there has been such a discussion.

god1quran1

Peace,

Can you please post your version of the translation of 2125. I could'nt find it anywhere.

thanks.

unknownuser

Peace Azfar,

Please see the posts at the following links

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8585.msg26137#msg26137

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13210.msg112573#msg112573

I am also ok with "salat" meaning "commitment to read/study the revelations of The God and remember The God".

You might find the following posts helpful too

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10220.msg49783#msg49783

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11105.0

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7327.0

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7402.0 (aidid's errors)

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7503.0

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7631.0

god1quran1

Yes this is exactly what I was looking for. I am very grateful for your help

thanks and peace.

god1quran1

In this verse related to the Hajj, Aidid translates the word al-ahillati as

2189 They ask you about worthiness (7456), Tell them, "It is the specific period for mankind and the challenge". And it is not virtuousness that you enter the house from its back - but it however the virtuousness of those who are observant to enter the house from its doors. And you shall observe God so that you may benefit.

citing 7456 as his evidence. Others translate it as

They ask you regarding the new moons, say ?They are a timing mechanism for the people as well as for the alhajj (Pilgrimage).? (2189)

Yas-aloonaka AAani al-ahillati qul hiya mawaqeetu lilnnasi waalhajji

There are a number of issues here

Is the word al-ahillati then derived from the root word H-L-L or A-H-L ?
Would an association with the root A-H-L render the above verse grammatically incorrect?
Or is it because the verse mentions time that we associate it with the root word H-L-L?
As a side note, considering what has been said above what does ahla albayti in verse such as 3333 mean?
Could any of these words have been derived from the root word H-L-K?

Any help would be appreciated.

peace.

jonny_k

Peace all,
Cld i get more votes and feedback on this poll? Thanks. sun GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace,
The list of meanings in PRL does not include "mecca" and "becca" being the name of any physical places at all

Miim-Kaf-Kaf = Sucking, Sucking up, Absorbing, drinking up, Destruction/Destroying, diminishing, diminution/failing; failure, to cast, to throw away, to discard, to straighten/tighten or impede/restrict, to beseech/ask/accept, crowding, competition (izdihaam).

makkah n.f. 4824

The meaning in bold does make sense in context of 4824 as also pointed out by Ayman.

= Ba-Kaf-Kaf (e.g. bakka) = pounding or crushing (al-&unuqa (on) the neck) (daqqul-&unuqa), distinguishing/ranking above others (farraqahu, kharaqahu), jostling, pressing or crowding(crowdszahm), any crowding(or crowds), competition. (izdihaam) heaping/piling together/amassing (taraakib), super-imposition of things on top of other things (taraakim), a man/male having or the trying to have sex with a female, denial or rejection a thing or person's dignity, to humiliate, cancellation/dissolution/breaking, being in need or being stout, muscular or rough, from activity.

bakkah n. 396

Can anybody try and see which meaning here suits best into the context of 396? GOD Bless!

AlFajr

4824 And He is the One who withheld their hands against you, and your hands against them in the interior of Mecca, after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.
4825 They are the ones who rejected and barred you from the Restricted Temple, and barred your donations from reaching their destination. And there had been believing men and women whom you did not know, and you may have hurt them, and on whose account you would have committed a sin unknowingly. God will admit into His mercy whomever He wills. Had they become separated, We would then have punished those of them who rejected with a painful retribution.

Could it be that Mecca and Bekka are not even talking about the same place?

jonny_k

Peace "aalmakto",
Yes most certainly theyr not the same places if places at all. GOD Bless!

sirohey

salat .. Prayer connection with GOD
zakat ... Purity
hajj -- contention
kaaba .... The house in Mecca construced by my father Abraham and Ismail
majidul haram .. mosque around the kaaba exactly "the disallowed or sanctified Mosque"
safa ..... the lining of the animals for sacrifice at the bait al ateeq ... in jerusalem

marva ... don't know .. but I believe it is the place where Abraham tried to sacrifice one of his sons to GOD .. maybe the rock under the dome in Jerusalem