Is this bloody war between Sunnis and Shia over Khilafat ?
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Salam.
Yes, this is the war between the sunnis and the shias and it will never stop and i don't need any human saying when will there be peace in the Middle-East and i specially don't need any president, let alone Bush, saying, we're fighting terrorists.
What terrorists, there are no terrorists, those people who have been marked as terrorists are not terrorists at all,t hey are just a little more angry then we are and they are completely dry out of patience and because of that, their statements are so harsh, so huge, so ..... kaboooom.
Those men in the Mid-East who blow themselves up and others, they're just angry and they will never get along, as long as their is Earth running around an invisible circle in space.
I know this much i will work according to The Quran until the Death, God willing and my mission is to reach Heaven. Once in Heaven, God willing, i won't have to listen to sunni/shia issue on CNN or anywhere else.
Peace.
Salaam Dear Alen and all
I am not accusing any body as terrorist neither Shia no neither. I believe in you that those people fighting for their independency are not terrorist . Any person without arm forces fighting with a gun is terrorist hence other side has right to kill and is called hero as a rm forces soldier. In older time soldiers were and even now are misinformed and naive which join the forces . In some country like is not optional and in other countries are volunteers due to attractive income packages.
The war between Shai and Sunni is not the first time and would not be lost if does not igniter all regions which could result the largest genocide in human history.This ugly and saddening to see people using name of God Allah and Quran killing each other by hundreds when their land is invaded and such force is used in wring way. Such wars in the past could be spread when human did not had access to such media tools. But we are acknowledged from any incidents in minutes around the glob.
Super power with organized arm forces and equipment consider any forcing opposition as terrorist but these people are killing each other as Kafir.
These people call me and you Kafir when we do not obey those Hadith fabrications.You have been an active member and witness how many here are beans of every soup and how many of them write their search and ahow off their knowledge of history, theology, philosophy ?etc.
For first time in this forum I am asking a question from these knowledgeable people to find how much Rashad has been right for his claim.
Unfortunately even some of them using cyber id to keep their id secure due to security are silent and quite.
They are not like Rashad brave and straight, They think they would endanger their life for telling the truth.
Yet I am waiting to see if those knowledgeable ones could clear up Rashd?s Cliam for feud between Shia and Sunni was for Ali?s Khilafat or 9128-129?
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Bahman
For first time in this forum I am asking a question from these knowledgeable people to find how much Rashad has been right for his claim.
And amazingly none has reponded o o since January 25,2006.
Unfortunately even some of them using cyber id to keep their id secure due to security are silent and quite.
hmmmmm...
They are not like Rashad brave and straight, They think they would endanger their life for telling the truth.
Rashad brave and straight confused
Yet I am waiting to see if those knowledgeable ones could clear up Rashd?s Cliam for feud between Shia and Sunni was for Ali?s Khilafat or 9128-129?
Peace.Well I am not the knowldgeable though you are looking for but I have some answers which one could arrive at with Common Sense.
Rashad Khalifa Preacher of Quran alone
Finds two verses in Quran which are added and are not actually the words of God!
Ok! what is his source????
He is messanger of convent God told him directly.....
Ok! no problem there are many messangers telling us that they have direct contact with God,
but wait Rashad has his source and his source is
aside from Quran o o o Hadith of Ali brickwall
Come on he is the preacher of Quran alone then how can he quote and base all of his religon on JAlal ud din Sayuti?????? No no no.....
But Sayuti is a Scholar
Then what about Bukhari, Muslim, Hanifa etc.
In the past 1400 years, NO ONE EXCEPT RASHAD KHALIFA AND HIS FOLLOWERS has attributed the deaths of Uthman, Ali and Hussein to a dispute over Quranic verses.In Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaykh Saduq, English version, p77,
Shaykh Saduq" (309/919-381/991), wrote ?OUR BELIEF IS THAT THE QURAN WHICH ALLAH REVEALED TO HIS PROPHET MUHAMMAD IS (THE SAME AS) THE ONE BETWEEN THE TWO COVERS (DAFFATAYN). AND IT IS THE ONE WHICH IS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE, and is not greater in extent than that. . . ..?So even Shia are not buying that claim though it is related with Ali.
Thus, the alleged ?hadith? of Ali on which Rashad Khalifa relies seems to be the waekest point of Rashad.
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Peace Raj.ah
So is this is not true!!The first peace time ruler after this lengthy and disastrous war was Marwan Ibn Al Hakam (died 65 AH/684 AD). One of the first duties he performed was to destroy the original Quran, the one that was so scrupulously written by the Prophet's own hand, "fearing it might become the cause of NEW disputes" . The question an intelligent person must ask is "If the original Quran were identical to the Quran in circulation at that time, why did Marwan Ibn Al-Hakam have to destroy it?!"
Do you know why?
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The first peace time ruler after this lengthy and disastrous war was Marwan Ibn Al Hakam (died 65 AH/684 AD). One of the first duties he performed was to destroy the original Quran, the one that was so scrupulously written by the Prophet's own hand, "fearing it might become the cause of NEW disputes" . The question an intelligent person must ask is "If the original Quran were identical to the Quran in circulation at that time, why did Marwan Ibn Al-Hakam have to destroy it?!"
Do you know why?
Peace.Would you please refrain from quoting hadiths and unfounded history as evidence for such a serious allegation?
What would be your next step? Endorse the "missing sura" entitled "Al-nurain the two lights"?
Who knows, maybe you are working on its code to see if it is divine whatever -
peace
if u are a true sunni/shia,and 100% follow their books of law you can never think the contrary of you is muslim.
if u call yourself sunni/shia and think the contrary of u still muslim then u havent read carefully what is being a sunni/shia.a member for this forum once said the more the person into sunnism the more repugnant they are,something around that.(i didnt wanted to believe this,but God is proving it to me)
maybe they arent killing themselves all the time as violent wars,but being divided creates tention and the psychological war has always been going on.
they have the quran in common why dont they all unite under it? and try to think for themselves? scared of changing?
peace be upon you all
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Would you please refrain from quoting hadiths and unfounded history as evidence for such a serious allegation?
Then how to create doubts and fulfil their desires? And how they would prove what they want to?
Quran tells us a different story about the character of Prophet and his sahaba, and history tell us exactly opposite sotry. Who wrote the history about Prophet and his sahaba? God himself, his Prophts or dictators? What is important to us verdict of Quran or allegations of historians?
We need to use Quran as Al-Furqan.
Peace to all, Hamsa
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Peace.
Would you please refrain from quoting hadiths and unfounded history as evidence for such a serious allegation?
So do you know where is the ORIGINAL ?
What would be your next step?
drinking a coffee )
I am just searching for truth if you know the truth quite welcome.Endorse the "missing sura" entitled "Al-nurain the two lights"?
You mean a chapter is missing in Quran? !!!
One of my Iranian friend claims that Quran was authored by Salman Farsi.Who knows, maybe you are working on its code to see if it is divine
What has been discovered is enough for me but I spend sometime for search. )
But remember that code is purifying what exist and shows the the forged one like these.
http//www.suralikeit.com
I am happy to see such forging which may bring attention of people like you to the truth.Let me show an example.
I am not sure if your name is authored in Quran or not. I use only Quran properties. I am not considering such cases Miracle but just a sign and reminder for truth seekers.
Your name can be protected 2 ways
Say controling all Sin Alief Meem in all your post and by adding all up to be multiple of 19 or 7
Then any change in your name could cause disappearing of such multiple.
The only way to do manipulation is using same letters in different order which name would change or meaning would not fit phrase.
But solid interlock ( No probability ) would be like following ;
You name letters GV in order
60,140,101=7x8,581,443=7x1,227,349
There is no possibility for any manipulation and such testing shows that your name has not been changed specially when all verse context locks into codes. )
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Hello all
I was actually driving my car today listening to the Arabic Quran and heard a verse that truely describes the war between the sunni and the shia as well the verse tells us that this war is caused by Allah , let's have a look
Say He has the power that He should send on you a chastisement from above you or from beneath your feet, or that He should throw you into confusion, (making you) of different parties; and make some of you taste the fighting of others. See how We detail the signs that they may understand.
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-> The verse is telling Mohammad to tell us that Allah "Say He has the power that He should send on you a chastisement from above you or from beneath your feet", Allah also has the power to "throw you into confusion, (making you) of different parties" those differnt parties as we see them fighting today is prophecied in the Quran "and make some of you taste the fighting of others.", I always say the word "SEE" when there is a compeling Quran argument, I learnt it from the Quran actually, this is what we see today between the Sunni and Shia and Allah is telling us this "See how We detail the signs that they may understand.", Obvioulsy the CONFUSED Sunni and Shia sects deserved this curse from Allah
Salam
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Bahgat
throw you into confusion, (making you) of different parties" those differnt parties as we see them fighting today is prophecied in the Quran "and make some of you taste the fighting of others
woow
Allah makes us confuse
Allah makes us fightdear Bahgat is that Right?
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So by searching in falsehood I will find the original confused!!
You mean a chapter is missing in Quran? !!!
You mean you do not know, whereas you are searching hadiths to prove that that the reason of Shi'a-Sunni conflict is Khilaafa? This missing chapter is another evidence, not just the extra verses.
I am happy to see such forging which may bring attention of people like you to the truth.
Let me show an example.
I am not sure if your nameThis is not my name . You have already forged the spelling. In fact, the spelling you provided is not the Arabic way to write nouns.
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Bahgat
woowAllah makes us confuse
Allah makes us fightdear Bahgat is that Right?
Well, the word confuse is not in the Arabic text, the Arabic text is "Yalbisakum Shaia Wa Yoziq Baddakum Baas Baad"
for me it means, He will cause us to devide into sects then cause these sects to fight with each other so some should test the Baas of others
Salam
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Well, the word confuse is not in the Arabic text, the Arabic text is "Yalbisakum Shaia Wa Yoziq Baddakum Baas Baad"
for me it means, He will cause us to devide into sects then cause these sects to fight with each other so some should test the Baas of others
SalamAllah will cause us to divide???
Brother Ahmed, as for I know Allah send his messengers and revelations to remove the divisions among the people they have created to fulfil their low desires.
1664
And We have not revealed to you the Book except that you may make clear to them that about which they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.4214
And they did not become divided until after knowledge had come to them out of envy among themselves; and had not a word gone forth from your Lord till an appointed term, certainly judgment would have been given between them; and those who were made to inherit the Book after them are most surely in disquieting doubt concerning it.
And there are many Verses which clearly tells us not to divided like mushrikeen. Isn't it a contradiction?
With Respect, Hamsa
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Peace.
So by searching in falsehood I will find the original !!
That is trail and error method. takes more than a life to find the truth from falsehood.
It is like if I offer you GPS to find your way but you like try false ways to find the right way. ! Good LuckI have read some hadith after my conversion . Mostly are stories about life of Mohammed
Burning Original Quran is history unless you have some evidence that it was not burned and still exist. Do you know where?This is not my name . You have already forged the spelling. In fact, the spelling you provided is not the Arabic way to write nouns.
Dear I believe in God Alone Quran Alone
Dear I believe in God Alone Quran Alone then I can not be a cheater or forger. I meant forging this.I checked google for
And that is only an example how the interlocks on letters works may bring your attention to such superhuman structure.
Do you write Samia in Arabic like this ?.
How ever I did not forge that name it already exist.
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Allah will cause us to divide???
Brother Ahmed, as for I know Allah send his messengers and revelations to remove the divisions among the people they have created to fulfil their low desires.
Hello
Actually I retreat my last comment, yes the word Yalbas translated by Shakir is accurate as far as I believe, the Arabic word "Yalbas" means cause confusion, or at least "cause to not to know", so the verse says as follow" Aw Yalbasakum Shaia", i.e. "Cause to divide into sects without them knowing that they are on the wrong path
1664
And We have not revealed to you the Book except that you may make clear to them that about which they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.1664 is a comeplling refutation to those who reject the hadith totally, however they don't listen
4214
And they did not become divided until after knowledge had come to them out of envy among themselves; and had not a word gone forth from your Lord till an appointed term, certainly judgment would have been given between them; and those who were made to inherit the Book after them are most surely in disquieting doubt concerning it.
And there are many Verses which clearly tells us not to divided like mushrikeen. Isn't it a contradiction?
a contradiction to what exactly?
the first verse is telling us that Allah is Qadir "Able" to cause us to divide into sects, that does not mean He is playing with us rather we desrved to be cursed because we left his Quran and pondered upon the man made hadith that clearly caused the division from the ifrst place
verse 4214 can be a description to those Muslims who ignored the Quran and pondered upon the man made hadith that backfired and caused them to divide into sects, in reality though Allah caused them to be misguided because they desrved to be as such and Allah is going to make them tyaste the fighting with each other.
what do you think the message of the verse then?
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1664 is a comeplling refutation to those who reject the hadith totally, however they don't listen
not seeing what you're seeing in that... anyways, i guess if you already believe in some ahadith you will of course find the verses to back up that belief... rather a backwards way to do it, use a book to prove your preconceived notions rather than read what the book says, but have at 'er anyways )
oh i forgot - you're dismissed anyways
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not seeing what you're seeing in that... anyways, i guess if you already believe in some ahadith you will of course find the verses to back up that belief... rather a backwards way to do it, use a book to prove your preconceived notions rather than read what the book says, but have at 'er anyways )
oh i forgot - you're dismissed anyways D
so if I'm dismissed, why you reply to my comments?, are you back on merlot again?