Nail Polish in prayer
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Peace phoenix1,
peace Lily,
-it all depends on how you look at it.
-So that's what I was thinking. I don't really know, though-Or WHEN you look at it. From previous posts I've read of yours, I'm old enough to be your mother.
-One day you will. When I was your age (assuming I'm right, 19 or 20), people my current age seemed ancient. And I couldn't have imagined for a second that one day I'd be my age and look back to realize that it goes really, really fast. Just like those dumb old people told me it would.Peace
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I suppose you mean according to women themselves right? Because I do not there is anything pretty with nail polish.
See, I said in my post that most women are less concerned about what men think, than what makes them happy and what other WOMEN think. Thanks Jankren.
peace
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Cannot have what? nail polish?
Do they had "medora" company at that time in Mecca?
The modren nail polish was invented in 1920's.
In fact, there are those who do not tolerate anything that was not practiced or known to the inhabitants of seventh-century Arabia. These are strange ideas to associate with the most universal and rational religion in the world. Obviously, these alien notions fossilize Islam and constitute a serious misreading of the true Islamic message.
A Story narrated by
Anas who said, "The Messenger of Allah set a time limit for us for trimming the mustache, trimming nails, removing armpit hairs and removing pubic hairs. They cannot be left for more than forty nights."2 Letting them grow long resembles animals and some of the disbelievers.No nail Polish in this story at least? if u know of any please post it.
Salam Ra-Jah,
Thank you for your historical input on this, much appreciated handshake
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See, I said in my post that most women are less concerned about what men think, than what makes them happy and what other WOMEN think. Thanks Jankren.
peace
Salam Lilyfleur,
I especially loved your response, and boost's! bravo...I agree, i do not think considering the time period that nail polish was invented that it was prohibited under the general rules of the wudu, however....considering that we must assume the Qurans laws are timeless, and that there were laws indicative of certain time periods, and some not indicative..potentially, nail polish could be a non-complete form of wadu. But I have to assume being a medical guru and one prone to science intelligence, LOL ignore, that if the nail is able to breathe under the polish, which it is, then although some solutions of the polish may be insoluable to H2O, they nail itself is still exposed to aqua ions, therefore, scientifically wudu is complete on a molecular level jedi
GRRRRRR, come and get me hadith believers!!! just joking! peace
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Salam,
After moments of reflection, I would like to aplogize, in witness to god, that i am sorry for any arrogance, I commited in claiming to be a medical guru, and of scientific knowledge in my previous response to nail polish vs wadu...regardless of any education I have had, I should be more humble. And I apologize, to any offense made to any hadith believers, I only pray for them guidance and mercy from Allah.
Honor
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-Or WHEN you look at it. From previous posts I've read of yours, I'm old enough to be your mother.
-One day you will. When I was your age (assuming I'm right, 19 or 20), people my current age seemed ancient. And I couldn't have imagined for a second that one day I'd be my age and look back to realize that it goes really, really fast. Just like those dumb old people told me it would.peace
if you look at my profile, you will see that I am a 117 years old.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profileAnyway, you have a point. But still, I think what's important is not how long life actually is, but how long we think it is.
Because we really don't know how long our lives are. For all I know, I could die tomorrow. Should I focus on the fact that my life will rush by me, and do everything in a hurry (haste is waste!!), or do I not focus on that and do everything like life lasts an eternity.
We like immortality because that gives us the power to do whatever we want. We can live out all of our fantasies because we would have an infinite amount of time. Well, why don't we just live like we are immortal?this is so ridiculously off topic.
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See, I said in my post that most women are less concerned about what men think, than what makes them happy and what other WOMEN think. Thanks Jankren.
I don't believe that entirely, generally speaking most women dress to impress, be it a guy or a girl.
Also I agree with pheonix1"We like immortality because that gives us the power to do whatever we want."
Anyway about nail polish, do you think its necessary I mean forget about wudu what's the whole purpose of nailpolish? "to look pretty" is nail polish considered modest? do you think you should be modest?Also Honor you said "if the nail is able to breathe under the polish, which it is, then although some solutions of the polish may be insoluable to H2O, they nail itself is still exposed to aqua ions"
I'm not to sure about nail polish, I'm not sure if the nail can breath under nail polish, according to you some solutions of the polish isn't insoluble to h2o so wouldn't that mean wudu wouldn't be entirely complete?
I know it's being picking I am doing this purposely.. Also how do you know the type of nail polish doesn't have all the ingredients of insolubility to water... -
See, I said in my post that most women are less concerned about what men think, than what makes them happy and what other WOMEN think. Thanks Jankren.
I don't believe that entirely, generally speaking most women dress to impress, be it a guy or a girl.
Also I agree with pheonix1"We like immortality because that gives us the power to do whatever we want."
Anyway about nail polish, do you think its necessary I mean forget about wudu what's the whole purpose of nailpolish? "to look pretty" is nail polish considered modest? do you think you should be modest?Also Honor you said "if the nail is able to breathe under the polish, which it is, then although some solutions of the polish may be insoluable to H2O, they nail itself is still exposed to aqua ions"
I'm not to sure about nail polish, I'm not sure if the nail can breath under nail polish, according to you some solutions of the polish isn't insoluble to h2o so wouldn't that mean wudu wouldn't be entirely complete?
I know it's being picking I am doing this purposely.. Also how do you know the type of nail polish doesn't have all the ingredients of insolubility to water...Peace BOOST,
Below is a short article I found on the subject. Remember, I didn't say that there aren't some women who make themselves up for the sake of men. I said "most" women. I happen to work in the fashion industry and so find myself surrounded by women on the regular. And so, although I don't speak from a scientific stand-point, I do speak from experience.
"Hey ladies, who do you put on make up for?
Blogher conference made me look deep inside myself. Being around a few hundred smart and pretty women for a couple of days inspires one to ask questions about one?s own feminine nature, one?s identity and sexuality. I was looking at all the pretty women around me, checking out their fashionable handbags, looking at their colorful outfits and cute little shoes when it occurred to me. Women dress up for each other far more than they do for the men.
I asked Ponzi, my fashion and beauty muse the next day as we were walking to lunch who do you put on make up for? She laughed at me as if to hint I was asking her the obvious ?other women, of course,? she said. ?Men take me as I am and won?t even notice the color of the nail polish, or the new trendy hand bag or the expensive custom jewelry that I am wearing. Women always take notice though and complement or criticize.?
I had to agree with her. Women, even the geeky ones, care far more about fashion and shopping than men. Robert never noticed the butterflies I had painted on my toes or the Coach backpack I was wearing at the conference. None of the men did. Nicole Simon, however, took pictures of my toes and many others commented on them, and Beth even took a picture of my backpack. Let?s face it ladies, we dress up and put on make up to impress each other not the men. So who do you put on make up for?"
FROM http//maryamie.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9592F3DEF41537A3!1959.entryAdditionally, I found the next article that attempts to prove that women dress up more during "certain" (e.g. fertile) times of the month in order to attract men. It's important to note the message by a woman who brings up a good point. Rather than women dressing "up" while most fertile to impress men, perhaps they just dress"down" during times of PMS, etc..
http//www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=427961&in_page_id=1965As for my take on whether or not wearing nail polish is being "modest". At this point in my journey, I am so put off by women who judge other women's outer appearance. Believe me when I tell you that there are a lot of very sinful women in the world who have never, and would never, "oh my" wear nail polish. Be careful not to assume that someone's outer appearance indicates who they are in the inside. Since we're unable to look into someone's heart, we must remember to leave the judging to God. As a side note, I very, very rarely wear "finger" nail polish, however, occassionally I do wear "toe" nail polish. And since I don't read Arabic, I can't get into a specific debate with you on the word "modest". If I knew for sure that we were debating the word in the American/English dictionary context, I'd be happy to get into it, but for now I'll leave it be.
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Peace Phoenix,
You said "Should I focus on the fact that my life will rush by me, and do everything in a hurry (haste is waste!!), or do I not focus on that and do everything like life lasts an eternity."
-Neither, "life is short" is a phrase that means that when you get older, you will look back and be astonished at how much time has passed in what seems like a "short" amount of time.
"We like immortality because that gives us the power to do whatever we want. We can live out all of our fantasies because we would have an infinite amount of time. Well, why don't we just live like we are immortal?"
-Who is "we"? What Muslim believes in immortality? Did I say something that gave you the impression that I believe myself to be immortal? I think you're missing my point altogether. Perhaps one day you will understand, perhaps not. For now however, I think we should consider "letting it go".Peace
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Salam,
After moments of reflection, I would like to aplogize, in witness to god, that i am sorry for any arrogance, I commited in claiming to be a medical guru, and of scientific knowledge in my previous response to nail polish vs wadu...regardless of any education I have had, I should be more humble. And I apologize, to any offense made to any hadith believers, I only pray for them guidance and mercy from Allah.
Honor
Peace honor,
You seem like an absolutely precious person. I'm glad you enjoyed my response.
Take good care of yourself,
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Peace Sis Honor
I'd have to agree with Sis Sarah here. I don't think nail polish is breathable at all. Hence the yellow nails you get if you put it on too much. From what i understand, that happens due to lack of "allowing your nails to breathe", or at least that's what my manicurist told me. maybe you have a different explanation?
i think it has nothing to do with whether water can permeate nail polish (which i don't think so or else we'd have color running all over the place)
i think we're reading too much into the wudu verse. i think the purpose of wudu is to clean yourself. so the issue would be (if any) under your nails not the nail surface.as for women dressing up, i'll admit it since nobody else will. when i "dress up" i want men and women to think i look good. i want attention. it doesn't mean i'll grant any back to them but i still want it. lol
very unislamic and i'm dead wrong, but at least its the truth
peace sis )
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Salaam all
Sis Boost I do not think the purpose of "wadu" is to clean ourselves, because even if you are very clean, just came out of the shower, you will have to do wadu. Moreover, how about "tayammum"?.
Also, God mentions "hands"; no nails, not even fingers. Wear polish if you want.
Bro Jarken Why nail polish? Because it draws the attention away from ugly hands ;D
Sis Lilyfleur I gree with you 100% that women dress up to impress ( and also to tease) other women
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See, I said in my post that most women are less concerned about what men think, than what makes them happy and what other WOMEN think. Thanks Jankren.
I don't believe that entirely, generally speaking most women dress to impress, be it a guy or a girl.
Also I agree with pheonix1"We like immortality because that gives us the power to do whatever we want."
Anyway about nail polish, do you think its necessary I mean forget about wudu what's the whole purpose of nailpolish? "to look pretty" is nail polish considered modest? do you think you should be modest?Also Honor you said "if the nail is able to breathe under the polish, which it is, then although some solutions of the polish may be insoluable to H2O, they nail itself is still exposed to aqua ions"
I'm not to sure about nail polish, I'm not sure if the nail can breath under nail polish, according to you some solutions of the polish isn't insoluble to h2o so wouldn't that mean wudu wouldn't be entirely complete?
I know it's being picking I am doing this purposely.. Also how do you know the type of nail polish doesn't have all the ingredients of insolubility to water...Salam Sarah,
As far as I know these are the major ingredients in nail polish
ethyl acetate
butyl acetate
nitrocellulose
isopropyl alcohol
polyester resin
dibutyl phthalate
styrene/acrylates copolymer
stearalkonium hectorite
stearalkonium bentonite
benzophenone-1
calcium pantothenate =This is a water soluable vitamin which is found in the cells.
formaldehyde=Formaldehyde is a formic aldehyde or methanol, HCHO, a powerful disinfectant gas obtained by the oxidation of methyl alcohol. The aqueous solution is a colorless, volatile fluid, used as a surgical and general antiseptic and as a preservativeThe reason why nails turn yellow is not because they cannot breathe but as a side effect to the chemical or polymer in the polish, i.e. In order to make the polish bright and durable, nitrocellulose is added. This substance is extracted from the cotton or wood fiber. Its main disadvantage is that nitrocellulose may produce a yellowing effect, if the nail polish is worn over a long time period.The base coat will also protect your nail surface from harmful substances that can spoil the natural nail color, making it yellow.
As far as the nail breathing it does...nail is hard keratin (protien), its dead, it can 'breathe', one has to only look after the cuticle area, thats where the slightly less harder keratin still exist underneath. And where your nail absorbs oxygen.
Considering that most of the majority of ingredients are non soluable in water, does not neccessarily mean that they cannot absorb water, this is why I said that mainly the ingredients are hydrophilic in the sense, that they will share or accept water ions.
The ions from which the salts of strong acids and strong bases are constituted do not react with water, and so do not disturb the neutrality of their aqueous solutions. The ions are nearly accepted bonds, by these acids and bases, which actually help to serve their purpose in making them polymers and hard resins,..its like this,....you have a bunch of wool (the nail polish ingredients)..you knit this wool(creation of polish), you cover yourself in the wool, when water is applied, it is absorbed and tightens the wool against you. wool may be a bad example, but my point is the ion bonds..some of these ingredients have them,..but in the subject of your argument scientifically, if lets say their is 5 ingredients and 3 accept water ions, and 2 dont,...wadu is still complete, because as a whole the ingredients as a soultion were permeated and allowed these ion bonds.
But to really get to the point, and I will use Samia's opinion on this subject, regardless of scientific argument and value, the wadu does mention hands...and did not specify nails, now..the nails belong to the fingers and the fingers to the hand, but I believe that for sake of intention, god did not mean water must soak the nail, and besides, I have already have proven that the nail is accepting water ions even while in the midst of polish.
I much appreciate your pickiness as it reminds me to be humble, and to really have the right intentions when observing the Quran and Islam. Its been great to get to a deeper level of understanding!!
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Cool. In my personal opinion wearing nail polish isn't modest. If people want to wear it to show off to other women by all means go for it, because everyone will be accountable for their own deeds. So if you want to be accountable for showing off accept the consequences.
) Asalamu alaikum
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Peace All
Yes i agree with sis Sarah. It's not really modest, in my opinion.
When i imagine a modest woman, i don't imagine her with shiny nailpolish on -
Cool. In my personal opinion wearing nail polish isn't modest. If people want to wear it to show off to other women by all means go for it, because everyone will be accountable for their own deeds. So if you want to be accountable for showing off accept the consequences.
) Asalamu alaikum
Salam Sarah,
Well you are definitely entitled to your own opinion. I never mentioned that I wear it for anyone, but I understand your referring to another discussion. I personally wear clear nail polish and only sometimes, because i have a vitamin deficiency, that makes my nails peel and split, so I wear the clear coat to make them look healthy and prevent them from cracking. But I personally don't see anything wrong with color, even that I don't like to draw attention to my own hands.
To each his own opinion, and to God we must answer.
Asalam Aleikum
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The example I'll present is illustrative of the idea of nail polish or any other 'barrier' preventing 'wudu' or any other action.
If a female instead of putting on nail polish, puts a glove on her hand and puts her finger in her anus has she performed that act, or has the presence of the glove barrier nullified it?
If you believe the glove has nullified it, then you are going with the hadithist view.
If you believe the glove has not nullified the act then you are on the right path.
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LOL that was kind of funky
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Peace
Hey bro that was a wee bit too much info for the creatively advanced loooool
anyways if you dont think the finger nail is getting clean why cant you make wudu then put the nail polish on then that nail was "clean" before you put the nail polish on why would it get "dirty" again......??????
just curious