Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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Ok, so are you saying everything the messenger said comes from Allah or just what is in Quran? How about whoever accepts the word of Allah in fact accepts the word of the messenger? Sorry but Allah is first and foremost and its His words that are in Quran as far as i'm concerned but if you wish to keep trying to prove Allah and Muhammed are more or less ONE then carry on.
The Messenger of Allah conveyed to people only that he received from Allah and it is written for ever in Qur'aan. He did not oblige anybody with any saying other than Qur'aan. It is you who say Allah is the foremost, but in time and space the majority of the people neither thought like this nor said like this. This is the Messenger of Allah who conveyes to people to believe in Allah with the understanding that He is the ONLY Ileha, advising and asking people to be allegiant to Him exclusively. It is not ME who says that accepting the word of the Messenger is but accepting the word of Allah, this is said by Allah. This does not mean that they are one. When Allah says this would you start thinking Allah is saying Me and Muhammad s.a.s. is one and the same thing?
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You, the Messenger pronounce for everyone, "You people incline yourselves to listen and affectionately and wholeheartedly accept the words of Allah and The Messenger ".Ale Imran 332
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"For this reason you people be mindful/cautious of Allah and listen and accept my word"Would you understand by this and allege that the Messenger is equating himself, {Allah forbids} with Allah?
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How about whoever accepts the word of Allah in fact accepts the word of the messenger?
I dare not revert the order of the words of Allah just to satisfy my own desires and inclinations. I have received through the Messenger these words of Allah
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The one who accepted the word of the Messenger willingly and affectionately, in that case/for reason he certainly willingly and affectionately accepted the word/statement of Allah
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The Messenger of Allah conveyed to people only that he received from Allah and it is written for ever in Qur'aan.
ok we agree on that, what was said TO him BY Allah is RECORDED word for word in Quran.
He did not oblige anybody with any saying other than Qur'aan.
600,000 hadith wasnt it? all 'extra' to Quran and believed by millions of Muslims worldwide because of the verse you quoted saying the word of Muhammed is the word of Allah.
It is you who say Allah is the foremost, but in time and space the majority of the people neither thought like this nor said like this. This is the Messenger of Allah who conveyes to people to believe in Allah with the understanding that He is the ONLY Ileha, advising and asking people to be allegiant to Him exclusively.
Exactly! So the verses saying believe Muhammeds word are for the people who were there with Muhammed at the time and didnt believe him to be a messenger of Allah or perhaps didnt believe in Allah, and we are now left with all this recorded in Quran. Muhammed said the same thing ALL messengers said and that is what you have just said, to be allegiant to ALLAH exclusively, so its not just me that says Allah is foremost, its Allah and all His prophets that say that too.
It is not ME who says that accepting the word of the Messenger is but accepting the word of Allah, this is said by Allah. This does not mean that they are one. When Allah says this would you start thinking Allah is saying Me and Muhammad s.a.s. is one and the same thing?
As you have just clarfiied that every word in Quran is that which was told to Muhammed by Allah and related syllable by syllable then the 'accept my word' is for those there at the time who were not accepting it and didnt understand that he was reciting syllable by syllable directly from Allah. Even you seem to be confused on this as you say on the one hand they are the words of Muhammed and 'prove' it by showing where he said 'accept MY word' while on the other hand saying he recited syllable by syllable what was given him by Allah. A road inbetween is that we accept that Muhammeds mouth was used to recite Allahs Words. For us in this time and space we dont have Muhammed but we do have the words of Allah as recited to Muhammed syllable by syllable, so we in effect have the direct words of Allah in Quran. As for thinking they are ONE, you said yourself that not all people in time and space have always understood things as they should be, which is how we got to Jesus being God in the flesh by some Christians, misleading people with understandings of the verses is how it starts, like hadith followers are just as convinced every word uttered by Muhammed, or even those close to him, is an appendix to Quran and is the 'Wisdom' and base that on verses like this one.We are now 1400+ years on from Muhammed and as you said there were many even then that misunderstood, imagine how much has been misunderstood over 1400+ years? The ultimate message from all messengers is belief in ONE GOD and here in Quran we have that ONE GOD'S WORDS, so really referrences to Muhammed's words are basically to show us that people didnt believe him back then and to tell them back then to believe his words, as they are the words of Allah recited syllable by syllable by Muhammed. Muhammed was a 'medium' for the words of God, a middle man, a messenger with a great message from God and now he is gone we will not meet him so we cannot 'greet' him or 'bless' him on greeting him and our prayers are for God Alone, as were Muhammeds. God also 'sent blessings' on us too, the people, so that we will come out of the darkness but we dont say sallalahu alaihi wasalam after mentioning each others names. I think/believe/imagine that when God asks us to 'send blessings on him and greet him with greetings' when greeting him would be similar to in English saying 'peace and may God bless you' to someone on meeting them, but not every time their name was mentioned as God himself didnt add sallahau alaihi wasalam every time Muhammeds name was mentioned in Quran, he says he sent/sends blessings as he also sent us blessings and to greet him showing respect, which I will certainly show him the utmost respect if I ever did meet him.
Moving on in my time and space I have given all this a great deal of thought and prayed and asked help, at which point I realized I am asking God IN my prayer to help ME and I also realized that I ask God IN my prayer to keep my family safe and protect them, so at this time this was my answer, that IN my prayer I can also ask God to send blessings on ALL His prophets and messengers and not just 'send blessings on Muhammed and his family as you did on Abraham and his family', but on ALL of those great men (or women) who were a vehicle of His message and that is not making any distinction/separation between any of the prophets and messengers as i believe in all of them even those i dont know the names of.
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Rasool is NOT the Name. It reflects job and assignment not name. Pl let me quote Allah the Sustainer Lord of the Worlds and Absolutely Knowledgable
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Muhammad , is the Messenger of Allah,First is the subject and then is the predicate/news about him. And now these two the subject and the predicate can never ever be seperated. The minimum requirement to mention his name with respect is to add the predicate always while talking or writing about him.
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He did not oblige anybody with any saying other than Qur'aan.
600,000 hadith wasnt it? all 'extra' to Quran and believed by millions of Muslims worldwide because of the verse you quoted saying the word of Muhammed is the word of Allah.In time and space may be there were quotations in the number you have quoted with addition of million with it. But that does not mean that we should alter the words of Allah to combat such activity. We know about this phenomenon, it is not new or exclusively adopted during the last 1400 years. This is an old game.
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And this is the reason that We have declared for each and every Chosen and Elevated Servant of Allah as his enemy the evil ones amongst human beings and Jinn.What is the modus operandi?
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Therefore, for that reason, You the Messenger may leave them and what they imaginatively innovate/fabricate fascinating sayings.Surat 612
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Rasool is NOT the Name. It reflects job and assignment not name. Pl let me quote Allah the Sustainer Lord of the Worlds and Absolutely Knowledgable
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Muhammad , is the Messenger of Allah,First is the subject and then is the predicate/news about him. And now these two the subject and the predicate can never ever be seperated. The minimum requirement to mention his name with respect is to add the predicate always while talking or writing about him.
So you too are under the impression that Muhammed had no name until he was over 40? Muhammed was the name given to him by his father, not by Allah.
rasool is a title, and the 99 'names' of Allah are also titles, not names.
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In time and space may be there were quotations in the number you have quoted with addition of million with it. But that does not mean that we should alter the words of Allah to combat such activity. We know about this phenomenon, it is not new or exclusively adopted during the last 1400 years. This is an old game.
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And this is the reason that We have declared for each and every Chosen and Elevated Servant of Allah as his enemy the evil ones amongst human beings and Jinn.What is the modus operandi?
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Therefore, for that reason, You the Messenger may leave them and what they imaginatively innovate/fabricate fascinating sayings.Surat 612
But they are NOT altering the words of Allah, they are doing just as you did and are convinced that Quran holds the sayings of muhammed telling them that his word is Allahs word, just as you have. This leads them naturally to think they should follow every word Muhammed said even that which is not in Quran. A few pages ago you were trying to tell me that Quran has Allahs words AND Muhammeds word in it while I was saying Quran is all the words of Allah and no one else, recently you are saying Muhammed recited syllable by syllable what Allah told him, which is what i have been saying for pages now.
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So you too are under the impression that Muhammed had no name until he was over 40? Muhammed was the name given to him by his father, not by Allah.
rasool is a title, and the 99 'names' of Allah are also titles, not names.
He was given a unique name on his birth, unprecedented in Arabia and whole of the world. And do you think this name was given to him about 600 years before his birth and even before the birth of his grand grand father imaginatively by Easa alahissalam?
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by substituting plural word "Messengers" to a singular "only One Messenger" after him. Respects and salutation is upon Easa alai'his'slaam who was the first Announcer/ of end of arrival of the Elevated and Chosen Persons and Messengers on the physical and corporeal appearance of one whose name he knew at that point in time as "Ahmad-The Praiser" and who on birth/sent for physically joining the humanity is named and introduced as Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam-the one who is praised all the time without interruption; and along with him was sent the "An-Noor-Visible Light-Giver and guarantor of continuity of life The Grand Qur'aan" in the Sky of the Earth-7157]
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http//A few pages ago you were trying to tell me that Quran has Allahs words AND Muhammeds word in it while I was saying Quran is all the words of Allah and no one else, recently you are saying Muhammed recited syllable by syllable what Allah told him, which is what i have been saying for pages now.
There seems a fault-line somewhere. My whole site and my posts on this forum is highlighting this point, that the Arabic word Yatloo means to recite syllable by syllable, word by word. Nowhere I suggested to you that Qur'aan contains the personal words of the Messenger. Till now you have not tried to understand what the word "Qaul" means. Qur'aan is the Qaul of the Messenger , this is not me who is saying this, Allah with great emphasis has said this and I gave you the Arabic text of Qur'aan. And this emphasies that whenever you hear somebody attributing a "Qaul" to the Messenger, cross check it from Qur'aan whether it is written therein or not because his Qaul is this Qur'aan. It does not mean that it becomes his Kalam. The Qaul of the Messenger contains in it the hadith/kalam of Allah which is Qur'aan.
Remember people do not attribute material to the Messenger for love of him but to find escape from the Book and to meet their own desires and exigencies. Love of him is a shield and deception. The other group brings him down to the level of postman. AstaghrAllah.
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He was given a unique name on his birth, unprecedented in Arabia and whole of the world. And do you think this name was given to him about 600 years before his birth and even before the birth of his grand grand father imaginatively by Easa alahissalam?
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by substituting plural word "Messengers" to a singular "only One Messenger" after him. Respects and salutation is upon Easa alai'his'slaam who was the first Announcer/ of end of arrival of the Elevated and Chosen Persons and Messengers on the physical and corporeal appearance of one whose name he knew at that point in time as "Ahmad-The Praiser" and who on birth/sent for physically joining the humanity is named and introduced as Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam-the one who is praised all the time without interruption; and along with him was sent the "An-Noor-Visible Light-Giver and guarantor of continuity of life The Grand Qur'aan" in the Sky of the Earth-7157]
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So he was known to be this 'Ahmed' from birth? There is a difference between Ahmed the Praiser and Muhammed the praised one but I agree Jesus spoke of an 'Ahmed' a 'praiser' a comforter but Jesus did not name 'this child' Muhammed and nor did God as raj is saying, unless God spoke to Muhammeds parents as He did to Mary the mother of Jesus telling her what to name him?
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So he was known to be this 'Ahmed' from birth? There is a difference between Ahmed the Praiser and Muhammed the praised one but I agree Jesus spoke of an 'Ahmed' a 'praiser' a comforter but Jesus did not name 'this child' Muhammed and nor did God as raj is saying, unless God spoke to Muhammeds parents as He did to Mary the mother of Jesus telling her what to name him?
Arabic is a very specific and precise language. "The name of him is Ahmad"-the Messenger who had to come after him. So it is understood/agreeable that this Name was told, for communicating it to Bani Israel, by Allah.
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Arabic is a very specific and precise language. "The name of him is Ahmad"-the Messenger who had to come after him. So it is understood/agreeable that this Name was told, for communicating it to Bani Israel, by Allah.
That doesnt answer either of my questions.
This name in Arabic was told in Quran but Jesus didnt speak Arabic, he spoke Hebrew/Aramaic, so the word used in Hebrew/Aramaic would not be 'Ahmed' it would be the Hebrew/Aramaic for 'praiser' which has been translated as 'comforter' wrongly in English. Similarly, where Quran says in Arabic that God said such and such to Moses, or Moses asked God such and such, it would not have been said in Arabic, it would have been said in Hebrew as that was the language of Moses, but God is telling you/us about this in Arabic as Muhammed spoke Arabic, no good telling him the exact words in Hebrew really is it?
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It is said "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus
Follow me as we trace the Biblical history of this Greek word "Paraclete". Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man "Muhammad." (1 Jesus in The Qur'an, One World Publications, (c) Geoffrey Parrinder 1965, 1995, ISBN 1-85168-094-2. Knowing this, there is a need for us to study the life of Prophet Muhammad in depth to see if it all stands up. Surprisingly it does.
and thn read this
follow the messenger, the gentile prophet , whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel. He exhorts them to be righteous, enjoins them from evil, allows for them all good food, and prohibits that which is bad, and unloads the burdens and the shackles imposed upon them. Those who believe in him, respect him, support him, and follow the light that came with him are the successful ones 1757
Notice the words of Allah and and Praise the One whom allah has called the praise worthy, Mercy for all the worlds.
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It is said "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus
and thn read this
follow the messenger, the gentile prophet , whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel. He exhorts them to be righteous, enjoins them from evil, allows for them all good food, and prohibits that which is bad, and unloads the burdens and the shackles imposed upon them. Those who believe in him, respect him, support him, and follow the light that came with him are the successful ones 1757
Notice the words of Allah and and Praise the One whom allah has called the praise worthy, Mercy for all the worlds.
Raj again you have misunderstood, and please! answering-christianity? The online slanging match between Islam and christianity, spare me!
I am not, repeat NOT disputing that Jesus did tell of him and I am NOT disputing that he was also told about in Torah see Deut 1818, what i AM disputing is that the name Mohammed was given to him on the dy he was BORN by any other that his parents. The Praised One or The Praiser in Arabic is Muhammed/Ahmed and I am not disputing that either.
forget it raj, we are on different planes
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It is said "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus
and thn read this
follow the messenger, the gentile prophet , whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel. He exhorts them to be righteous, enjoins them from evil, allows for them all good food, and prohibits that which is bad, and unloads the burdens and the shackles imposed upon them. Those who believe in him, respect him, support him, and follow the light that came with him are the successful ones 1757
Notice the words of Allah and and Praise the One whom allah has called the praise worthy, Mercy for all the worlds.
raj did you happen to check the link it says this was taken from? you should
The following was taken from http//www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html
Paraklytos is actually Greek
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Paraklytos is actually Greek
I think we all know that?
What you fail to understand is that, what was the Language of Issa A.S?
Greek or Aramaic?What I am trying to say is, What you have from Greek Bibles is nothing but a mere translation to what Jesus originally spoke.
Muhammad in Arabic means "praised one" or "the honored", and "Periklytos" in Greek also means "the honored" one.
now coming back to the word of Allah, which I think cannot be a lie
follow the messenger, the gentile prophet , whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel. He exhorts them to be righteous, enjoins them from evil, allows for them all good food, and prohibits that which is bad, and unloads the burdens and the shackles imposed upon them. Those who believe in him, respect him, support him, and follow the light that came with him are the successful ones 1757
and Which you completely ignored,
the real word has to be "Periklytos", in John 1416
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I am not, repeat NOT disputing that Jesus did tell of him and I am NOT disputing that he was also told about in Torah see Deut 1818, what i AM disputing is that the name Mohammed was given to him on the dy he was BORN by any other that his parents. The Praised One or The Praiser in Arabic is Muhammed/Ahmed and I am not disputing that either.
You are disputing! How can Jesus tell of Him many Hundred years before? if not of through Allah. Muhammad is the name of the Messanger as MAzhar has shown you, given by Allah to the pesron who carried his Message.
Ayisha
rasool is a title, and the 99 'names' of Allah are also titles, not names.
Where did you get this information from Quran? please tell me?
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Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels ? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.
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