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    Raaajah
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    Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

    and when I showed you two Ayats as proof, you are asking for more

    And the verse where God tells Muhammeds parents is..........?? not there

    Very similar to the Jews in time of Musa A.S

    Notice Quran
    They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!" They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said "He says A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
    They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is To us are all heifers alike We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."

    Quran
    Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

    You asked me where did Allah called Muhammad peace is upon him "Mercy for all the worlds" I have taken the translation from "progressive Muslims" tell them to change it,
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    And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.

    Still only a DUMB, DEAF AND BLIND can deny the exalted position of Muhammad Peace is upon him, after reading this.

    Praise be to Allah, lord of Ram, Budha, Musa, Issa, Muhammad mine and yours

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      Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

      and when I showed you two Ayats as proof, you are asking for more
      Very similar to the Jews in time of Musa A.S

      Notice Quran
      They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!" They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said "He says A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
      They said "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is To us are all heifers alike We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."

      So you cant prove it raj. of course you cant because it didnt happen.

      It is nothing like the Musa people, you are claiming God named Muhammed and show me verses where he named Jesus and John as proof, that would be like Moses saying kill a camel and the people asking what colour heifer. You have made red part of my post and any idiot, accept you, would be able to see I am referring to any other apart from those mentioned, but you are deaf dumb and blind in your quest to idolize Muhammed.

      You made a false claim you cannot back up and instead of accepting that you trying twisting verses to prove something which is false, may God have mercy on you.

      "And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice! "

      Quran
      Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

      You asked me where did Allah called Muhammad peace is upon him "Mercy for all the worlds" I have taken the translation from "progressive Muslims" tell them to change it,
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      And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
      I asked for the verse, why do you assume I want it changing? It is so obvious you are defending your idolization of Muhammed that even when you posted it you said "sorry if it hurts any body", why would it? You think because not everyone has a need to worship a human that they dont believe in him at all, which is not so.

      Still only a DUMB, DEAF AND BLIND can deny the exalted position of Muhammad Peace is upon him, after reading this.

      Praise be to Allah, lord of Ram, Budha, Musa, Issa, Muhammad mine and yours

      12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

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        You have made red part of my post and any idiot, accept you, would be able to see I am referring to any other apart from those mentioned,..

        You are a Liar, just scroll back and you will see, initially I only mentioned, Jesus, you asked for more and I presented the verse about "Yahya".

        What name does Allah calls the Messenger to whom Quran was delivered?
        Come on utter it, because you utter it day and night, but you will just not accept it.

        When you just recited the above Ayat
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        And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
        Allah Praised his Messenger, (Allah Ho Akbar)
        and so did you,
        Believe it or not, You just praised him while reciting this Ayat.

        And to let you know, It is only Allah who is to be worshipped and to make partners with him of any kind is the Biggest Shirk, Muhammad is Just a Messenger of Allah, who is a Human being, but he is the one who has been exalted to higher ranks by Allah and sorry you and i cannot do any thing in this regard, try to down grade him by making him equal to animals, or calling him mere post man or part time messenger.

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          You have made red part of my post and any idiot, accept you, would be able to see I am referring to any other apart from those mentioned,..

          You are a Liar, just scroll back and you will see, initially I only mentioned, Jesus, you asked for more and I presented the verse about "Yahya".

          Raj

          It is said "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus

          Ayisha

          I am not, repeat NOT disputing that Jesus did tell of him and I am NOT disputing that he was also told about in Torah see Deut 1818, what i AM disputing is that the name Mohammed was given to him on the dy he was BORN by any other that his parents. The Praised One or The Praiser in Arabic is Muhammed/Ahmed and I am not disputing that either.

          Ayisha
          Paraklytos is actually Greek

          Raj
          I think we all know that?

          What you fail to understand is that, what was the Language of Issa A.S?
          Greek or Aramaic?

          Muhammad in Arabic means "praised one" or "the honored", and "Periklytos" in Greek also means "the honored" one.

          the real word has to be "Periklytos", in John 1416

          Muhammad is the name of the Messanger as MAzhar has shown you, given by Allah to the pesron who carried his Message.

          Ayisha
          make your mind up, Greek or Aramaic Raj? it cant be both now can it? {Note when I quoted this you said I was making things up}

          Quran says 'Ahmed' and in English its 'praiser', thats what I have said and now you are trying to convince me? And Muhammed IS Arabic, 'not Muhammed in Arabic means praised one' its Muhammed in English means praised one, in Arabic it means Muhammed!

          the real word would not be Greek as Jesus (and John) both spoke ARAMAIC and not GREEK, Paraklytos is Greek and you have said yourself that the Greek translated Bible "is nothing but a mere translation to what Jesus originally spoke" so why do you assume now he suddenly slipped in a Greek word? No one is trying to disprove Allah's word, where on Gods green earth do you get that from? Huh? What you need to find is the Aramaic for 'praiser' or 'praised one' if you are sticking with that.

          Jesus 'told of him' by the name of Ahmed, I am not disputing! Allah told of him i am not disputing! his name is Ahmed. Muhammed was NAMED by his parents MUHAMMED. Now unless you think God sent an angel to his mother like He did to Mary, then it was NOT known at his birth that this Muhammed was that Ahmed!

          Rofl, are you trying to prove his name was Muhammed? yes we already know that raj. None of these verses prove that it wasnt his parents who gave him the name at birth though, they 'prove' that is his name, well done the first also proves he was but a messenger

          Raj
          Why Allah calls him by the name of Muhammad in Quran?

          Ayisha
          because that was his name, no point in saying 'oh fred' to a man named Muhammed is there?

          his name was Muhammed BEFORE his prophethood and BEFORE he got the message of Quran, or do you deny that too?

          Raj
          I think it is nearly impossible to have a productive discussion with you.

          Please read this Verse not just with open eyes but open heart and mind,

          follow the messenger, the gentile prophet , whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel.......

          Is the verse about Past, present or future,? (at the time of revelation). It was already been decided in the greater plan of Allah, that a Person will come in Future, who will be Prophet of Allah, and to your and many's bad luck his name was "Muhammad" as called by Allah in Quran.

          Ayisha
          it is past as Torah and Gospel were before Quran, it says whom they find mentioned in, it does not say that his name was mentioned but that HE was mentioned, he was foretold about.

          Raj
          So you agree that Allah had a plan for a Prophet to come, Thanks Allah.
          That was my question to you, how is he mentioned/foretold?, and you passed it on to me, as usual.

          Ayisha
          Where have I ever said there was no plan for another messenger after Jesus? Nowhere raj, again thats in your mind and again you are arguing over something I have not said.

          Raj
          And the name of that prophet was Muhammad, as Allah calls him in Quran.
          YOU CANNOT DENY THIS FACT.

          Ayisha
          And you cannot deny that his name was Muhammed from BIRTH, before prophethood and that is why Allah calls him by his name! He would hardly call hi RAAJAH would he if his name was Muhammed! Use your brain.

          raj
          His calling him Muhammad and not Raaajah confirms that this is the name Allah has Chosen for his beloved Messenger.

          Ayisha
          No it confirms his name was Muhammed from birth, he didnt know he was a prophet or messenger until he was 40, do you think he had another name before that? You are purposefully skipping round this.

          raj
          You are not using your brain dear.

          1. It was decided that a Prophet has to come.
          2. Therefore he was a prophet since his birth, (it is only that he was informed about his messengership at 40 Years of age)
          3. Allah choses the names of his messengers

          The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'

          Ayisha
          Allah told Mary the name of her child, Allah did not tell Muhammeds parents the name of theirs nor did He tell other prophets parents the name of thiers, if you think otherwise then prove it.

          Ok there is the entire sorry argument. Raj, listen and hear

          I FOLLOW QURAN, I FOLLOW GOD. I HAVE READ QURAN MORE THAN ONCE SO I KNOW IN QURAN ALLAH SHOWED HE NAMED JESUS AND JOHN. I also know from Torah that Allah changed Abrahams name from Abram to Abraham and yes there were others.

          Do you understand that Raj?

          The POINT I have been trying to make that YOU keep IGNORING is that there is NO VERSE where Allah NAMED Muhammed. Allah did NOT tell Muhammeds parents they will have a son who will be a messenger of Allah and they are to name him Muhammed, it did NOT happen so who is the LIAR Raj? YOU for INVENTING things that Allah did NOT say. Now you have Muhammed as a prophet from birth who was only told after he was 40, his name was Muhammed for 40 years and to justify your LIES you claim it was some story that his name was Muhammed from birth!!

          I BELIEVE MUHAMMED WAS A MESSENGER OF ALLAH, does that make you happy now raj? I have said this many times and any idiot except you will know I cannot follow Quran without believing this. he was named Muhammed by his parents, NOT by Allah telling his parents what to name him!

          What name does Allah calls the Messenger to whom Quran was delivered?
          He calls him BY HIS NAME, are you really so stupid Raj or so blinded by idolatry? IT WAS HIS NAME.

          Come on utter it, because you utter it day and night, but you will just not accept it.
          huh? ??? Now you saying his name is ALLAH or what?

          When you just recited the above Ayat
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          And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
          Allah Praised his Messenger, (Allah Ho Akbar)
          and so did you,
          Believe it or not, You just praised him while reciting this Ayat.
          do you understand the word 'fanatic' raj?

          I PRAISE ALLAH ALL PRAISE IS FOR ALLAH.

          12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

          And to let you know, It is only Allah who is to be worshipped and to make partners with him of any kind is the Biggest Shirk, Muhammad is Just a Messenger of Allah, who is a Human being, but he is the one who has been exalted to higher ranks by Allah and sorry you and i cannot do any thing in this regard, try to down grade him by making him equal to animals, or calling him mere post man or part time messenger.

          I have NEVER tried to make him equal to animals and you are a LIAR Raj. I have never tried to downgrade him either so again you LIE. he was JUST a messenger of Allah and that is YOUR quote, there are numerous verses telling his duty was to convey the message and NOTHING MORE. You ARE committing SHIRK whether you think so or not. Even your claim about 'higher ranks' you gave verses about Jesus and Moses as PROOF! You IDOLIZE Muhammed, he is your IDOL and you utter his name BESIDES Allahs every single day, you praise Muhammed MORE than you do Allah and you are too blind to see it.

          12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

          3945 When Allah, the One and Only, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust and horror; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy!

          2262 That is because Allah - He is the Reality; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.

          3130 That is because Allah is the (only) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood; and because Allah,- He is the Most High, Most Great.

          4084 But when they saw Our Punishment, they said "We believe in Allah,- the one Allah - and we reject the partners we used to join with Him."

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            I have NEVER tried to make him equal to animals and you are a LIAR Raj. I have never tried to downgrade him either so again you LIE. he was JUST a messenger of Allah and that is YOUR quote, there are numerous verses telling his duty was to convey the message and NOTHING MORE. You ARE committing SHIRK whether you think so or not. Even your claim about 'higher ranks' you gave verses about Jesus and Moses as PROOF! You IDOLIZE Muhammed, he is your IDOL and you utter his name BESIDES Allahs every single day, you praise Muhammed MORE than you do Allah and you are too blind to see it.

            12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

            3945 When Allah, the One and Only, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust and horror; but when (gods) other than He are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy!

            2262 That is because Allah - He is the Reality; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.

            3130 That is because Allah is the (only) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood; and because Allah,- He is the Most High, Most Great.

            4084 But when they saw Our Punishment, they said "We believe in Allah,- the one Allah - and we reject the partners we used to join with Him."

            Ayisha, the point that you are trying to emphasise does not get support from the Aayat you have quoted. Those mention idols/statues whom people call and treat also as Ileha other than Allah. Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam is not a hand sculpted statue or idol, and none has ever called him as an ileha besides Allah.

            There are many Aayat you will find to support the argument you are forwarding, that he is the Messenger of Allah and his primary responsibility is to deliver the message of Allah.

            A lot majority of people most willingly and pleasantly elevate and equate hand sculpted statues as various Ileha considering and treating them as partners of Allah but majority never agreed to accept exalted stature or position or status of His Messengers. Is it not intriguing?

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              Ayisha, the point that you are trying to emphasise does not get support from the Aayat you have quoted. Those mention idols/statues whom people call and treat also as Ileha other than Allah. Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam is not a hand sculpted statue or idol, and none has ever called him as an ileha besides Allah.
              which words mean hand scultured statues in the Arabic?

              There are many Aayat you will find to support the argument you are forwarding, that he is the Messenger of Allah and his primary responsibility is to deliver the message of Allah.
              The point I am trying to make is that his name was Muhammed from birth given to him by his parents who were not forwarned of his messengership and told what to name him as the parents of Jesus and John were and as raj is doing cartwheels to 'prove'

              A lot majority of people most willingly and pleasantly elevate and equate hand sculpted statues as various Ileha considering and treating them as partners of Allah but majority never agreed to accept exalted stature or position or status of His Messengers. Is it not intriguing?

              What is intreguing is that you also cannot see there is no difference in elevating a stone statue or a human being to be partners with Allah when the example of doing the same to Jesus, who was also a messenger, is there in Quran. It doesnt matter whether its a stone statue or a human being or money or a wife/husband or a film star, idolatry is idolatry whatever the 'idol' may be and it is not necessarliy done consciously either, so saying 'i dont worship Muhammed' while insisting he is elevated to a higher rank than any other purely based on being the last messenger or that Allah praised him, when Allah praised HUMANS and His other messengers also, is IDOL WORSHIP no matter what you call it.

              If you base your belief on Quran, as you do (and im not knocking that) then your faith is based on Muhammed delivering that message of Quran. This entire arguement has been based around yours and Raj's insistance that without Muhammed there would be no message, i disagree. Because of this you elevate this messenger above all others for the delivery of this message, and that is why i said if it came through a donkey I would still believe in IT, the MESSAGE. if IT fell off a tree I would still believe in IT. If IT was written on the side of a mountain I would still believe in IT. THIS is what you and raj fail to grasp, that it is IT that is important, not how we got IT. 39.45 DOES support what you do. I and many many other people in this world have KNOWN there is a God, KNOWN there is a creator and praised that creator based on what we SEE in His SIGNS which are all around us, yours are based in a BOOK brought by a messenger. The Quran CONFIRMS what i believe, for you and Raj it IS what you believe. Where would you be if there had been NO Quran?

              IMO this is what Quran is telling you, its all there if you just LOOK.

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                What is intreguing is that you also cannot see there is no difference in elevating a stone statue or a human being to be partners with Allah when the example of doing the same to Jesus, who was also a messenger, is there in Quran. It doesnt matter whether its a stone statue or a human being or money or a wife/husband or a film star, idolatry is idolatry whatever the 'idol' may be and it is not necessarliy done consciously either, so saying 'i dont worship Muhammed' while insisting he is elevated to a higher rank than any other purely based on being the last messenger or that Allah praised him, when Allah praised HUMANS and His other messengers also, is IDOL WORSHIP no matter what you call it.

                The red marked perception is because people want to assign meanings, to the words of Allah, of their own choice and are not ready to make difference between Mushrik-statue-hand sculpted idol worshippers and Kaafir. Never equate chiristians with a Mushrik notwithstanding what they said or thought about Easa alahissalam. Allah says this;

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                Indeed those people refused to believe/denounced allegiance who said this, "Indeed Allah is he Al-Maseiha, son of Maryam"

                AlMaida-17

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                Indeed those people in fact refused to accept/believe who said that Allah is third entity in the trinity,

                Almaida-73

                I dare not substitute the word used by Allah "Kafara" with "sharaka"

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                  The red marked perception is because people want to assign meanings, to the words of Allah, of their own choice and are not ready to make difference between Mushrik-statue-hand sculpted idol worshippers and Kaafir.
                  did you forget to give me the words used in the Arabic for hand sculptured stone statues or are you assigning a meaning of your own to this?

                  Never equate chiristians with a Mushrik notwithstanding what they said or thought about Easa alahissalam. Allah says this;

                  http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/005.%20Al%20Maida/temo5.017.gif
                  Indeed those people refused to believe/denounced allegiance who said this, "Indeed Allah is he Al-Maseiha, son of Maryam"

                  AlMaida-17

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                  Indeed those people in fact refused to accept/believe who said that Allah is third entity in the trinity,

                  Almaida-73

                  I dare not substitute the word used by Allah "Kafara" with "sharaka"

                  Some christians not only believe Jesus is the son of God but God in the flesh, he is God and they worship him as God, Mary is called the 'Mother of God'. Jesus is 'the only way to get to God', they pray TO God Through Jesus, He is 3 in one, like the egg is shell, white and yolk but one egg.
                  3.79 confirms Jesus never asked this, nor did Muhammed, but this is what the people did and still do just the same as some Muslims 'elevate' Muhammed to a similar status but insist they dont because they 'dont think he is God/son of God' but what they DO is no different, although of course they think it is. In effect they say one thing but DO another.

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                    Quotes prior to this have been discussed in detail.

                    I FOLLOW QURAN, I FOLLOW GOD. I HAVE READ QURAN MORE THAN ONCE SO I KNOW IN QURAN ALLAH SHOWED HE NAMED JESUS AND JOHN. I also know from Torah that Allah changed Abrahams name from Abram to Abraham and yes there were others.

                    You should read it once more and keep on reading it every day.
                    Therefore You agree that Allah choses the names of His Messengers. But when it comes to Muhammad peace is upon him, you suddenly panic. You have agreed that coming of Muhammad was the part of future plan of Allah, you cannot back up from that now. I have shown evidences that Allah choses the names of his Messengers, SHOW ME A CONTRARY VERSE TO THIS and I will just accept that I am wrong on this part. Simple! isn't it?

                    Do you understand that Raj?

                    The POINT I have been trying to make that YOU keep IGNORING is that there is NO VERSE where Allah NAMED Muhammed. Allah did NOT tell Muhammeds parents they will have a son who will be a messenger of Allah and they are to name him Muhammed, it did NOT happen so who is the LIAR Raj?

                    No! I donot understand, your problem towards Muhammad. Refer above for the rest. Just one verse in your support and contrary to what I said, Just one verse.

                    I BELIEVE MUHAMMED WAS A MESSENGER OF ALLAH, does that make you happy now raj? I have said this many times and any idiot except you will know I cannot follow Quran without believing this. he was named Muhammed by his parents, NOT by Allah telling his parents what to name him!

                    More than happy. You just need an Ayat to confirm what you are saying. Simple!

                    He calls him BY HIS NAME, are you really so stupid Raj or so blinded by idolatry? IT WAS HIS NAME.

                    the names of Prophets are chosen by Allah! I have provided evidences from Quran. Your time now.

                    The verses you provided donot support your argument an iota.

                    So Ayisha without being sentimental Just show me one verse from Quran that Allah did not Authenticate the name Muhammad or even show me Allah doesnot choses the names of his prophets.
                    This will help you not calling others "fanatics", Stupids, and idiots.

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                      You should read it once more and keep on reading it every day.
                      I do

                      Therefore You agree that Allah choses the names of His Messengers.
                      SOME yes.

                      But when it comes to Muhammad peace is upon him, you suddenly panic.
                      Panic? Why would I panic, you made a claim you cant back up, you are panicking.

                      You have agreed that coming of Muhammad was the part of future plan of Allah, you cannot back up from that now.

                      I have not tried to 'back up' from that, I have not disputed that! Do you understand anything? The coming of A MESSENGER after Jesus and Moses and all the rest was planned, yes.

                      I have shown evidences that Allah choses the names of his Messengers,
                      You have shown me evidence He named Jesus and John, you have shown no evidence he names ALL the prophets to come and you have shown no evidence that He named Muhammed.

                      SHOW ME A CONTRARY VERSE TO THIS and I will just accept that I am wrong on this part. Simple! isn't it?
                      Yes very simple, show me the verse where God says he named Muhammed and told Muhammed's parents before his birth.

                      No! I donot understand, your problem towards Muhammad.

                      I have no problem at all with Muhammed, i do have a problem with you claiming God did and said things there is NO evidence for. You claim its a 'story' that his name was Muhammed from birth yet come up with a story yourself that he wasnt called Muhammed until God said it in Quran! ) you have insisted that Parklytos was the Aramaic and mother tongue of Jesus then back tracked to agreeing it was Greek, you are running round in circles trying to prove something you cant. The onus is on you to prove your claim, not on me to disprove it, it is already disproved by you being unable to show any evidence. What you are doing is the same as telling me Egyptiar fly Gatwick to Luxor on Thursday and showing me AlItalia timetable for Rome to London as proof. )

                      Refer above for the rest. Just one verse in your support and contrary to what I said, Just one verse.
                      thats all I ask, one verse to prove your claim, you cant, end of arguement.

                      More than happy. You just need an Ayat to confirm what you are saying. Simple!
                      yes just one ayat to confirm what you're saying would be great

                      the names of Prophets are chosen by Allah! I have provided evidences from Quran. Your time now.
                      You have provided evidence of 2, neither were Muhammed, try again.

                      The verses you provided donot support your argument an iota.

                      So Ayisha without being sentimental Just show me one verse from Quran that Allah did not Authenticate the name Muhammad or even show me Allah doesnot choses the names of his prophets.
                      This will help you not calling others "fanatics", Stupids, and idiots.

                      So calling me a liar is ok when I have not lied is it?

                      just get on with a verse proving your claim that God NAMED Muhammed with this name, from Quran, and told to Muhammeds parents before his birth and also one about your other claim that he was a prophet from birth but didnt know it and also provide proof of what his name for the first 40 years was if it wasnt Muhammed.

                      I think you have gone so round in circles you are so twisted up you cant prove anything Raj. Chill out, read Quran.

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                        Since you take your time to find the verse.

                        Muslims 'elevate' Muhammed

                        I have fond one that yet again goes against your argument
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                        We exalted you to an honorable position

                        and the verse you keep on posting about Idolizing, have you even read this Surah, or even some verses near to it, it would have saved you a lot of time..

                        12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

                        Is this verse about those who Love Muhammad? or say that His path is the Path of Allah

                        12107
                        Have they guaranteed that an overwhelming retribution from GOD will not strike them, or the Hour will not come to them suddenly, when they least expect it?
                        12108
                        Say, "This is my path I invite to GOD, on the basis of a clear proof, and so do those who follow me. GOD be glorified. I am not an idol worshiper."

                        Just to praise Muhammad as Allah Praised him, makes one an Idol worshiper?

                        Say "If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your sins." God is Forgiver, Merciful.

                        Allah has blessed the believers by raising in their midst a messenger from among them, to recite for them His revelations, and to purify them, and to teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone totally astray

                        Say If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than God, or His Apostle, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until God brings about His decision and God guides not the rebellious.

                        and don't know what to say about persons who deny clear Signs of Allah.

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                          You have nothing left in your argument, it is killed.

                          Many and many verses of Quran have proven that Muhammad Peace is upon him was not to be compared with animals, neither he was mere post man nor a part time messenger. You are obviously wrong in calling him any of that.

                          Muhammad was name given by his parents? I need proof for that, Which verse says that
                          (this is non commonsensical tactic of Quranists, and I have to follow that when dealing such non sense)

                          I have provided evidence from Quran that Allah authenticated the name Muhammad, if he can change the name of Abrahim A.S, he could have also changed the name given by (Pagans). I also provided evidence from Quran that Allah chooses the name of Prophets. While you on contrary just keep on clutching the straws.
                          That issue of Parklytos has been discussed in detail.

                          I will be waiting for that single verse from you whole my life.

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                            did you forget to give me the words used in the Arabic for hand sculptured stone statues or are you assigning a meaning of your own to this?

                            Arabic words will come tomorrow, InshaAllah. However do you accept that in English statues means something hand sculpted, carved.

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                              Since you take your time to find the verse.
                              Raj, just go find the verse to back up your claim.

                              I have fond one that yet again goes against your argument
                              944
                              We exalted you to an honorable position

                              and what honourable position was it Raj? messenger of Allah was his position and there were other messengers of Allah. The word you have used as exaulted is also used in 263 and 293 and 4154 for a mountain 'raised' and in 4332 for some other men. This does not prove he was 'raised' higher than any other messenger of Allah. Chapter 9 He raised Idris to a high position.

                              and the verse you keep on posting about Idolizing, have you even read this Surah, or even some verses near to it, it would have saved you a lot of time..

                              12106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

                              Is this verse about those who Love Muhammad? or say that His path is the Path of Allah

                              12107
                              Have they guaranteed that an overwhelming retribution from GOD will not strike them, or the Hour will not come to them suddenly, when they least expect it?
                              12108
                              Say, "This is my path I invite to GOD, on the basis of a clear proof, and so do those who follow me. GOD be glorified. I am not an idol worshiper."

                              Just to praise Muhammad as Allah Praised him, makes one an Idol worshiper?

                              Say "If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your sins." God is Forgiver, Merciful.

                              Allah has blessed the believers by raising in their midst a messenger from among them, to recite for them His revelations, and to purify them, and to teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone totally astray

                              Say If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than God, or His Apostle, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until God brings about His decision and God guides not the rebellious.

                              and don't know what to say about persons who deny clear Signs of Allah.

                              These verses show Muhammed followed Gods path, a straight path, he wasnt an idol worshipper, he worshipped only GOD and that you are to follow THAT. Allah praised many, you dont go praising everyone Allah raised to a high status as Messenger of Allah, you ONLY do it with Muhammed. The verses I gave you are part of the 'every similitude' to make you think and see what you are doing. Muhammed knew full well there were other mesengers before him that Allah 'raised' to a high position, position of messenger like him, he did not utter praises each time thier names were mentioned as you do when his is mentioned. You raise him to a higher position than other messengers and you should not. There is NO verse from God or implied instructions from Muhammed telling you to do this, yet you do, you idolize him.

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                                Arabic words will come tomorrow, InshaAllah. However do you accept that in English statues means something hand sculpted, carved.

                                Why not now, it cant be that hard to do for one so proficient in Arabic such as yourself is it? i dont need the full linguistic bits, just the words in Arabic, typed if possible please.

                                Statues can be hand carved or molded.

                                At the time Quran came people worshipped rocks, stones, stars, the sun, the moon, trees, and people, anything so telling you to not worship statues and leaving out the rest is rediculous. Your claiming this meant only hand carved statues allows you to worship another human being or the sun etc, where Allah has stated he has given you every kind of similitude, every example for those who think.

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                                  Why not now, it cant be that hard to do for one so proficient in Arabic such as yourself is it? i dont need the full linguistic bits, just the words in Arabic, typed if possible please.

                                  Statues can be hand carved or molded.

                                  "Statue" is .

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                                    "Statue" is .

                                    Thank you Leyna group

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                                      and what honourable position was it Raj? messenger of Allah was his position and there were other messengers of Allah.

                                      I just can't repeat whole thread once again for you.

                                      You raise him to a higher position than other messengers and you should not. There is NO verse from God....

                                      Not me Allah does that and I for the last time for you I repeat my argument

                                      These messengers; we blessed/elevated some of them more than others. For
                                      example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks.
                                      And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him
                                      with the Holy Spirit.

                                      Is a prophet who was sent to guide 1,000 people equal to one who sent to guide 30,000 people, or to one sent to guide all of humanity? Let's take an example. Is the teacher of first-grade students equal to a teacher of fourth-grade students? Are the teachers of higher classes equal to professors or university teachers? All belong to the same administration and work under the same general program, their aim being to educate students. Yet, in view of the teacher's knowledge, they are not equal. Each is different from the other according to his learning, ability, and achievement. From the point of view of the aim of prophethood, all the prophets of Allah are equal. However, because of differences in rank and knowledge, they are different.

                                      and to determine their rank read the following verses

                                      And We have sent you not except as a mercy for all the worlds 21107
                                      If it is been said for any other prophet please show me?
                                      And from the night you shall mediate upon it as you please, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.
                                      It is specially for Muhammad Peace is upon him.

                                      Now if you have some thing new, you are welcome, otherwise it is over from me for this particular subject. Yeah if you found the verse just please tell me.

                                      and in the last following is a Ayat that exposes those who think of Muhammad as an ordinary person

                                      Translation from Haqeeqat.org
                                      And those who wronged/distorted the facts kept their whispers to people secret, "Is this man but a human being/ordinary person like you people?
                                      Is it then you people come to the illusion while you people have the faculty of vision"

                                      Translation from Rashad Khalifa
                                      Their minds are heedless. And the transgressors confer secretly "Is he not just a human being like you? Would you accept the magic that is presented to you?"

                                      Translation from Progressive-Muslims
                                      Their hearts are preoccupied, and those who are wicked confer privately "Is he not a human being like you? Would you accept this magic while you know?"

                                      Do you just saw Ayisha what Adjectives Allah uses for those who think Muhammad Peace is upon him is an ordinary man?

                                      http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat21_files/21_3.gif

                                      May Allah Guide you and Us.

                                      So Ayisha if there ain't any thing new, then from me it is bye bye to your posts.

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                                        You have nothing left in your argument, it is killed.
                                        I take it that means you are ending this because you cannot prove anything you have claimed. your arguement was dead before it left your keyboard.

                                        Many and many verses of Quran have proven that Muhammad Peace is upon him was not to be compared with animals, neither he was mere post man nor a part time messenger. You are obviously wrong in calling him any of that.
                                        I didnt compare him to animals, are you blind or just blindly arrogant and blindly ignorant? He was here to deliver a message, he was a messenger, the message was Quran and nothing else. For 23 years of his life do you think everything he said was part of the message or that he never said anything else for 23 years but Quran verses? The message came to him and was recited by him 'in stages' so at those times he was performing his job as messenger, at other times he was still the messenger of Allah although not reciting the message but following it.

                                        Muhammad was name given by his parents? I need proof for that, Which verse says that
                                        (this is non commonsensical tactic of Quranists, and I have to follow that when dealing such non sense)
                                        no raj, you made the claim the name Muhammed was given to him by Allah and that was not his name until Allah called it him in Quran, you have yet to provide proof of that. It is a typical tactic of hadithist to make a claim they cannot back up and when it is refuted as nonsense they ask for proof while being unable to back up their original claim.

                                        I have provided evidence from Quran that Allah authenticated the name Muhammad, if he can change the name of Abrahim A.S, he could have also changed the name given by (Pagans).

                                        You have provided proof Allah gave both Jesus and John thier names to their parents before thier birth. you have provided no proof of this with Muhammed. Yes He changed Abrahams name, it is not proof He gave Muhammed the name before his birth, but yes He could have and if He did then you can show me proof and the proof of what his name was given by pagans

                                        I also provided evidence from Quran that Allah chooses the name of Prophets. While you on contrary just keep on clutching the straws.
                                        You have provided proof Allah gave both Jesus and John thier names to their parents before thier birth. you have provided no proof of this with Muhammed.

                                        That issue of Parklytos has been discussed in detail.
                                        yes and you were proven wrong

                                        I will be waiting for that single verse from you whole my life.
                                        And I will be waiting for the proof of your original false claim my whole life.

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                                          Ayisha

                                          Quote from Raaajah on Yesterday at 113630 PM

                                          it is today now, wake up, you have new post to reply to.

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