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Some thoughts needed on ghosts/spirits situation

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    Joe_Betik
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    salaam wakas

    ;D

    ah... i had just posted something about jinns and now am reading this.

    ok, just our 2 cts worth, perhaps. btw, you may throw this info out as rubbish.

    first; let's just assume that your friend's house is really haunted by a jinn.

    but what is a jinn? let's just assume that a jinn is another bodiless soul hanging around us all, but in a different plane or frequency or realm (make your choice) but the effect is that we humans in normal circumstances could not see (with our standard eyesight) them around.

    so, can they be seen? yes, they can, but when one has shifted into the other plane or frequency or realm, but this is strictly due to Allah's discretion - for He will bestow some people with some special capabilities. some can just switch modes automatically, while others are unable to control it since the person may not master the skills to shift planes, or even perhaps the person did not even know that he/she has or can (by the grace of Allah) shift planes, frequencies or realms.

    with regards to your friend, perhaps the last could be the cause - she didn't know that she has or can shift planes, frequencies or realms. yet, this might not be the whole truth.

    so, how to deal with it? hehehe... we do not know. really. we do not know, for only Allah knows. but the best things to do are;

    1. parameters or prerequisites
    • have total faith in Allah, the Compassionate Mercy.
    • have total trust in Allah that He hears us.
    • have total trust in Allah that He knows what is best for us.
    • have total trust in Allah that He cares for us.
    • have total trust in Allah that He always has enough provisions for us.
    • have total trust in Allah that He always helps us.
    1. when the above parameters are embedded in our system;
    • we will be calm, peaceful, stable - equilibrium (eeman?)
    • we will be convinced (yaqeen) that Allah is 'with' us (He is with us whether we remembers Him or not, but now, we since the parameters are already at work, we are actively in bondage / close contact (salat?) with him.
    • we will insha-Allah be able to face anything, and fear nothing but Allah.
    1. being fearless to anything but Allah the Compassionate Mercy, then do what you are supposed to do.

    2. go! just go! or just do it!

    when you are there wakas, respect them as another of Allah's creation. fear them not. have fear only for Allah. no waswas. no second thoughts. wakas, do not calculate. there is no 'if'. never contemplate. do not even think of anything, but Allah. don't try to be clever. forllow your 'instincts'. you are in the service of Allah. just do it! have patience. be calm. be secured. don't think of anything, but Allah. just follow your 'instincts'. remember Allah. insha-Allah. you will be alright, wakas. she will be alright. the house will be alright. have full faith in Allah.

    may Allah grant you support and mercy. insha-Allah.

    peace
    joe

    p.s.
    wakas, whatever that comes across your mind or vision during your visit, please keep them to your own self. don't talk about them. not even to the friend. even we wouldn't want to know, but if really you have to pour it out, please pm to us, because that's your secret. the best is to talk to the God. talk to Allah. be patient.

    wakas, perhaps you may want to consider reading 112; 113; 114 but minus the 'qul'. by reading those, you are directly seeking help from Allah.

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      SarahY
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      Joe, nice advice though I think I'd be curious to know what he has discovered if anything, why keep it a secret / well off course if he chooses to that's totally fine but it would be interesting to know no doubt

      Salam

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        Wakas
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        peace all,

        Thanks for the advice.

        I think it's a no-brainer. Go!!!

        Unlike some, I take into consideration my mum's wishes

        Anyways my older bro has agreed to come with me and check it out. My younger bro was too scared! I have let my colleague know, to arrange a time.

        Joe, thanks for the advice, you're right, I will try and be respectful.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          arnoldyasin
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          Salaam Wakas,

          I believe these things have to do with resonants in the Quantum Field, there have been several studies on this. We all live in one gigantic energyfield, and all we do leaves resonants in that field. Soemtimes we can pickup old resonants of people who are already gone. Things they feld or experienced. You can see them. Still it is scary though

          http//ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=42

          Scroll down the above article, and you will see a small explanation on the Quantum Field, I also recommend Ervin Lazslo's book 'Cosmic Vision'.

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            salgan
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            Peace Wakas

            Why are you taking your brother with you ?

            Peace Salim

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              Wakas
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              peace salim,

              Several reasons to verify any phenomenon, to have someone else in the house besides my colleague/son and I, help out in case anything happens, relieve boredom if have to wait etc.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                Joe_Betik
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                hi sarah

                most things are best kept in secret - something like 'need to know basis'. come to think of it, that's how Allah is treating us, is it not? He mentions about 'al-ghayb' in verse 23, but how much do we know about 'the hidden / the unseen / the secret'? need to know basis is the operative word here, we thought.

                so, in wakas' case, when he has to know, He will insha-Allah reveal it to him. otherwise, when he doesn't need to know, He will not reveal anything to him. even when says he has seen or heard or felt anything or something, how do we know that he was telling the 'real truth', when in actual fact was whatever he related to us was just an account (subject to his understanding + whatever limitations he has for language, etc.) of his experience? that will only be his 'perceived truth'. if the general public can adopt such an attitude, then perhaps wakas can consider relating it to us. otherwise, better don't.

                anyway, it is just a suggestion. it can always be disregarded. we live in a free world. ;D

                peace
                joe

                Joe, nice advice though I think I'd be curious to know what he has discovered if anything, why keep it a secret / well off course if he chooses to that's totally fine but it would be interesting to know no doubt

                Salam

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                  SarahY
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                  ok

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                    nerspi
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                    peace

                    so wakas, what ever happened in that house? did you go?

                    and arnold, have there bees studies about how can we contact beings in the quantum field?

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                      arnoldyasin
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                      Salaam Nerspi,

                      We cannot contact beings in the Qunatum Field, some people can access certain people's frequencies, their information, in the Field, you cannot access conciousness of people, only the information stored in their memory frequencies. But it seems you cannot train this, people are born with this sensetivity to access the Field beyond your own frequency. Most children are more open till their 8th year. The Quran itself says that human-conciousness is de-activated at death, and only re-activated again in the Next Life. Jinn in itself does not refer to seperate beings, it is not a title, it is a descriptive term for several things as emotions, kings, nomads.

                      When people experience 'ghosts' or 'spirits', it is mostly their own mind fooling them by projecting the source of fear outside of them. Sometimes people pick old resonants of vibritations in the Field, and the mind picks it up and thinks it is seeing and experiencing a conciousness being. For example, there was a man in Engeland who kept seeing monks walking through his house, it turned out his house stood where an old monastery used to be. So he saw the resonants of the monks in the Field. Another person felt an angry being bothering her in her house, turned out a violent man used to live there. She picked up the resonants of his emotions and her own brain presented it as a real being in the house.

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                        nerspi
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                        peace

                        wow, i heard a simmilar story. a woman believed she was a nostradamus or someone famous in the past life and she said she had memories of her "past life". but i guess she was just picking up frequencies of him.

                        although some people claimed that these "ghosts" can move objects or talk to them, i wonder what goes on there.

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                          arnoldyasin
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                          Yes, there have been reports on children in South-America who spoke Japanese fluently without ever learning it. They picked it up out of the Field. Almost matrix-style. Also many reports on children who could remember everything from a 'past life', the information she gave turned out to be a ancestor of her in Germany, probably the family genes opened up something for her to access the resonants in the Field.

                          As for the objects, i remember one research on the Discovery Channel where in 80% of all 'Poltergeist' hauntings, a young adolesence was present in the household, also many people possessed were youngsters between the age 10-16. Maybe in that age, the forming of the ego and the strain due to hormones affect the Field around them, they are more open to picking up energies, good or bad. But this is just a small idea of mine.

                          The main idea is that people experience resonant-residues of previous people, these frequencies are the same as our own memory frequency, and thus you brain picks it up as a being, it 'recoginzes' the information as coming from a being. If it was a violent and angry person, this can result in your sub-conciousness acting out the aggression by moving objects using the Field.

                          Mediums also 'talk' to the frequencies and their minds make it look like a conversation, but in reality they are picking up information about the persons thoughts and feelings and translate it into a conversation. Just like you base your conversations on your own thoughts and feelings at the moment.

                          The Field is so logical and explains so many things, and it has been proven in labs, it is not just a theory. But we are just at the brink of understanding it all.

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                            Wakas
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                            peace,

                            Update I never went.

                            The timing was bad. It was difficult to arrange a date to stay over initially then my bro went away on holiday.

                            The activity at the house has reduced apparently. She is still looking for alternative accommodation however.

                            If she still has it when my bro returns, I will try and arrange it again.

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              unknownuser
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                              Salam,

                              When people experience 'ghosts' or 'spirits', it is mostly their own mind fooling them by projecting the source of fear outside of them. Sometimes people pick old resonants of vibritations in the Field, and the mind picks it up and thinks it is seeing and experiencing a conciousness being. For example, there was a man in Engeland who kept seeing monks walking through his house, it turned out his house stood where an old monastery used to be. So he saw the resonants of the monks in the Field. Another person felt an angry being bothering her in her house, turned out a violent man used to live there. She picked up the resonants of his emotions and her own brain presented it as a real being in the house.

                              I study Quantum Physics sometimes because it is an interest of mine. Arnold described this quite well, in my opinion.

                              In addition to what Arnold posted, I have often wondered if people who have not mastered control of their emotions are more prone to experiencing this kind of phenomenon.
                              Maybe its not that someone is really able to tap into some special ability that they haven't mastered control over. Maybe it's evidence that the person experiencing this is unable to control their own emotions. Maybe people who experience this are more emotional than the ones who don't experience paranormal activity. Something to think about.

                              I honestly don't know. I don't think any of us can definitely say that it is one thing or another at this point. I think it's only something we can share our thoughts on.

                              Salam,
                              Arnab

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                                arnoldyasin
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                                Salaam Arnab,

                                This is exactly why I noticed that mostly adolesences were involved, between 10 and 16, who are highly emotional.

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                                  Rumi
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                                  Salam Arnold,

                                  Are you suggesting that paranormal activities are to be attributed to emotional adolescents?
                                  What about those who experience these things without such persons around? '

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                                    arnoldyasin
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                                    Salaam Rumi, I suggest you to read the above posts more carefully and my article

                                    http//19.org/index.php?id=91,419,0,0,1,0&PHPSESSID=0995ce90d0bca2efbcb1f22d713004ac

                                    Then you will see that your assumption is wrong.

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      Have you tried talking nicely to these ghosts? I'm sure they're open for dialogue. Give them company D

                                      Arnold, your thoughts are very compelling. Some things do not add up. For instance, there was this woman in my home town that kept having her child snatched on birth (literally would be born and it would be taken away from her, never to be seen again). How would you explain that? My whole family are witnesses to this, save me (as always, sigh).

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                                        arnoldyasin
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                                        Really? How and by what? Did it fly away through the air? Blinked out? Sorry, but I have heard so many stories and everyone has 'witnessed it'. People are really inclined in having supernatural stories. Please give more details about it.

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                                          unknownuser
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                                          That's actually all I know.

                                          This woman is still alive. Not just that, but she knows some sort of divination - my brother and sister looked into her mirror (at her request), and saw a room full of people.

                                          I think all of this stuff is a load of horsecrap but until I witness it, I'm not saying anything.

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