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    Salam bro Layth,

    4827 God has fulfilled with truth His messenger's vision "You will enter the Restricted Temple, God willing, secure, with your heads shaven and shortened, having no fear." Thus, He knew what you did not know, and He has coupled with this a near victory.

    Firstly, when there is victory, the victors do not enter the defeated town with their heads shaved or hair cut short. Does it make any sense that when the believers were victorious they all went to the barbers and either shaved their head or cut their hair short ? What for ?

    Secondly, there is no word for "hair" in this verse. The object for "muhalliqeena" translated as "shaved" and "muqassireena" translated as "shortened" is "ruoosakum" meaning head, but it is obvious that one cannot shorten or cut the head !!

    MUHALLAQ = soaring, in flight, high, flying, high flying.

    QASAR = short, cut short, reduce, lessen, insufficient, inadequate, fail to attain/achieve, cease, abstain, refrain, to hold back, restrain, curb

    The correct translation would be

    4827 God has fulfilled with truth His messenger's vision "You will enter the Restricted Temple, God willing, secure, with your heads high/relieved and restrained, having no fear." Thus, He knew what you did not know, and He has coupled with this a near victory.

    This verse talks about the victory of the believers over those who were fighting with them to try to keep them away and repel them from establishing/setting up "al-masjid al-haram".

    The corrected translation makes it clear that they will enter "al-masjid al-haram" safely and securely with their heads high/relieved and restrained (self-controlled).

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      Salam bro Layth,

      In the following verse, "head" is used metaphorically meaning "mind", which is evident by the words "affliction to his head", which implies ailment of the mind or mental illness preventing one from making the donation. The correct translation here would be "relieve/turn your heads" meaning do not relieve/remove your mind from this duty, or do not turn your head from this duty, i.e. make sure the donation reaches its destination

      2196 And complete the Pilgrimage and the visit for God. But, if you are prevented, then make what is affordable of donation, and do not relieve/remove/turn your heads until the donation reaches its destination; but whoever of you is ill or has an affliction to his head, then he may redeem by fasting or giving a charity or a sacrifice. But if you are able, then whoever continues the visit until the Pilgrimage, then he shall provide what is affordable of donation; but for he who cannot find anything, then he must fast for three days during the Pilgrimage and seven when he returns; this will make a complete ten; this is for those whose family is not present at the Restricted Temple. And be aware of God, and know that God is severe in retribution.

      From Lane

      ha-lam-qaf = peel, strip, remove, shave, annoy, unlucky, destroy or cut off entirely, coat of mail, turn or drew a circle, cancel the pay/stipend/allowance of one, halo, it was/became high, become little in quantity and went away, ripening, sharp, quick, swift, agile, active, a high mountain rising above what surrounds it and without vegetable produce, ring, razor, sharp (said of a sword or man).

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        Salam bro Layth,

        "Ma malakat aymanukum" should be translated as "those possessed by your oath" instead of "those committed to you by oath" in all occurrences (43, 424, 425, 436, 1671, 236, 3028, 3350, 3352, 3355, 7030).

        MALAKAT does not mean committed but means possessed/controlled.

        If you insist on translating as "committed", then it should be "those whom you are committed to by oath" instead of "those committed to you by oath", because it is "your oath/aymanukum" implying that you made an oath with them, thus you are committed to them by your oath.

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          Salam bro Layth,

          In 11114, the word is "zulafan" which is plural of "zulfa", and should be translated as "near parts" instead of "near part". Also, instead of "hold" the connection, it should be "honor" the connection, as it has been translated elsewhere. The second "during" is unnecessary, as "during" is already used before "the two edges of the day", and is automatically implied before "the near parts of the night".

          11114 And you shall honor the connection during the two edges of the day, and during the near parts of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember.

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            Salam bro Layth,

            2194 What is done in the restricted month may be retaliated in the same month, and murder shall be punishable by execution. Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous.

            SHOULD BE

            2194 What is done in the restricted month may be retaliated in the same month, and for restrictions there is equal retaliation. Whoever attacks you, then you shall attack him the same as he attacked you; and be aware of God, and know that God is with the righteous.

            HURUMAAT = forbidden/prohibited/restricted things

            QISAS = equal retaliation

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              Salam bro Layth,

              "Dependent on you" can include people other than "allatheena 3aqadat aymanukum", such as the biological children, young females (fatayat) etc.; instead, it should be "those pledged/tied by your oath"

              433 And for each We have made inheritors for what was left behind by the parents and the relatives. And those whom are dependant on you, you shall give them their portion. God is witness over all things.

              SHOULD BE

              433 And for each We have made inheritors for what was left behind by the parents and the relatives. And those pledged/tied by your oath, you shall give them their portion. God is witness over all things.

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                Salam,

                My time is up. Unless anyone has any comments other than the above, I will consider this thread closed.

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                  Salam bro Layth,

                  There is a typo in 2226. "Prostrarting" should be "prostrating".

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                    Salam bro Layth,

                    In 3340 it should be "men" instead of "man", as "rijalikum" is plural.

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                      Salam bro Layth,

                      It should be "and" instead of "or" in 3446; the arabic is "wa" not "aw"

                      3446 Say "I advise you to do one thing that you stand to God, in pairs AND as individuals, then reflect. There is no madness in your friend, he is only a warner to you in the face of a severe retribution."

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                        Salam bro Layth,

                        The translations of verses 2420-64 are missing in the online free-minds translation. Hope they are not missing in "The Message" !!

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                          Bro, you finally implemented the luni-solar calendar in TNR! Thanks!!

                          Peace,

                          Both The Message and The Natural republic are currently undergoing an update with the publisher iuniverse.

                          In this process, there is a 2 week period given to make minor/small edits or corrections.

                          I am posting the link to both works in the hope that any error or comments can be made now before the final print.

                          http//www.free-minds.org/QT.zip
                          http//www.free-minds.org/TNR.doc

                          regards,

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                            Salaam bro Layth,

                            17107 Say "Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating."

                            17107 is translated correctly as "fall TO their chins". 17109 should also be translated the same way as "TO their chins" instead of "UPON their chins"

                            17109 And they fall TO their chins crying, and it increases them in humility.

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                              Salaam bro Layth,

                              4528 And you will see every nation lined-up together. Every nation will be called to its record. "Today, you be recompensed for everything you have done."

                              4528 is correctly translated as "lined-up together" (alternate congregated). 1968 and 1972 should also be similarly translated as "congregated" as is obvious from the context and the use of the word "group" in 1969

                              1967 Does man not remember that We created him before that and he was nothing at all?
                              1968 By your Lord, We will gather them and the devils, then We will place them around Hell congregated.
                              1969 Then We will drag out from every group which of them was the worst opposition to the Almighty.
                              1970 Then, it is We who are best aware of those who deserve to be burnt therein.
                              1971 And every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass.
                              1972 Then We will save those who were righteous, and We leave the wicked in it congregated.

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                                Salaam bro Layth,

                                It should be "from" instead of "form" in the following

                                788 And the leaders who became arrogant from among his people said "We will drive you out of our town Shu'ayb, along with those who believed with you, or else you will return to our creed!" He said "Would you force us?"

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                                  Peace Layth,

                                  In this process, there is a 2 week period given to make minor/small edits or corrections.

                                  Is it done? Already on the shelves? )

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                                    Salam,

                                    The Message is ready and out at amazon.com

                                    http//www.amazon.com/Message-Gods-Revelation-Humanity/dp/0595290353/

                                    The natural Republic is still 1-2 weeks away, however, I have uploaded the book and the new cover on the site (pdf format)

                                    http//www.free-minds.org/TNR/TNR.pdf
                                    http//www.free-minds.org/TNR/Cover.pdf

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                                      Salam,

                                      The Message is ready and out at amazon.com

                                      http//www.amazon.com/Message-Gods-Revelation-Humanity/dp/0595290353/

                                      Yay! I've been wanting my own paper copy of the book, and I'd rather you guys got the money than staples from me buying a box of paper to print it myself..

                                      I may buy the current copy of TNR too since they give a discount on buying both. Any chance you can create a printable errata/addendum for me to fold up and stick in the back?

                                      Peace,

                                      Nurd

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                                        Layth
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                                        Salam,

                                        Ok, The Natural Republic is also available now

                                        http//www.amazon.com/Natural-Republic-Muslim-Advancement-Century/dp/0595303587/

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                                          Salaam bro Layth,

                                          In 2185, it should be "clarifications" (plural) instead of "a clarification", and "FROM" (MIN) instead of "of"

                                          2185 A month, marked by heat, in which the Qur'an was revealed; as a guide to the people and clarifications FROM the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

                                          It should also be "full-moon of scorching heat" instead of "month, marked by heat", and "witnesses the full-moon" instead of "witnesses the month" but that is a big discussion by itself !

                                          Please note that it says, "the same number from different DAYS", not "the same number from different MONTHS", which is another evidence of it being "full-moon" instead of "month".

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