Would someone explain 6:130 for me
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Salaams to all great minds!
I am a new member and learning new things on this enlightening forum, would some one explain the following verse which says Jinn also receive Prophets? is it true or i misunderstood it.
Thanks in advance
R.Hamsa- O you assembly of jinns and men, did not apostles come to you from among you,
communicating My signs to you, bringing warnings of this your day (of Doom)?" They
will answer "We bear witness to our sins." They were surely deluded by the life of the
world, and bore witness against themselves because they were unbelievers.
- O you assembly of jinns and men, did not apostles come to you from among you,
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Peace R. Hamza,
Welcome to the forum.
I am a new member and learning new things on this enlightening forum, would some one explain the following verse which says Jinn also receive Prophets? is it true or i misunderstood it.
Thanks in advance
R.Hamsa- O you assembly of jinns and men, did not apostles come to you from among you, communicating My signs to you, bringing warnings of this your day (of Doom)?" They will answer "We bear witness to our sins." They were surely deluded by the life of the world, and bore witness against themselves because they were unbelievers.
The "jinn" receive the same messengers as humans. This is evident from chapter 72. You see they "jinn" and humans are not separate. They are linked together. The "jinn" is an integral part of the human psyche.
For more information, please see
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman2.htm
Peace,
Ayman
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See http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10761.msg63992#msg63992
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Peace ayman and JM
Thanks for the links I'll try to read them
Thanks again
R.Hamsa
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Ayman, I find that article to be most dubious, at best.
When you plug in "fantasies" into all those verses, it flat out makes no sense. Particularly those where it mentions Solomon. Leaders, again, when Allah addresses "the leaders and the humans", why would he refer twice to "humans" if leaders = humans?
Let's not just randomly plug in meanings and assume they make sense.
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Agree with OPF,
The meaning is determined by the context. See
http//19.org/index.php?id=91,417,0,0,1,0
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Thanks Arnold, your article make more sense then respected Dr Ayman's.
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Agree with OPF,
The meaning is determined by the context. See
http//19.org/index.php?id=91,417,0,0,1,0
salaam all
sorry arnold i dont agree with you and yousef ali ,
the jinns are very much present in this world and living with us I'm telling you all this from my personnel experience, i have hundred encounters with them since my chiled hod and they used to come after me here in UAE too in very aggressive manner and i stopped them to inter my home to protect my family. i have still one living in my home in Pakistan. last December when i went on my annual leave my wife asked me to evict him and stop him to enter over home but i refused i told her he is a good jinn and he is not dangerous at all he only start jumping when i come home but he will not bother you ppls. so when some body says jinns are not real i dont agree with him.
Peace
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Peace "afridi",
Who says Jin are not real? All thts said is they ARE NOT SEPERATE BEINGS FROM HUMANS. They are PART of the NEURAL NETWORK which forms both human and jinn consciousness at various times. When you get very angry or fiery then the Jin is activated within you. Tht is one jinn. Another jinn are the hidden TRIBES of people who like sufis etc go out of the normal lifes and are not normally seen by people as bro Arnold has mentioned. jinn means hidden and can refer to more than one thing.
Your experience can be explained like this
http//youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0
GOD Bless! -
Peace "afridi",
Who says Jin are not real? All thts said is they ARE NOT SEPERATE BEINGS FROM HUMANS. They are PART of the NEURAL NETWORK which forms both human and jinn consciousness at various times. When you get very angry or fiery then the Jin is activated within you. Tht is one jinn. Another jinn are the hidden TRIBES of people who like sufis etc go out of the normal lifes and are not normally seen by people as bro Arnold has mentioned. jinn means hidden and can refer to more than one thing.
Your experience can be explained like this
http//youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0
GOD Bless!Salaam jonny
Thnks for the clip but i can not hear any thing cause i dont have speakers and i can not use them here in the office so i dont know what they are trying to prove but my experiance is not like that.
Peace
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Salaam Afridi,
I do not know what you have experienced and how, but I have studied the phenomena of spiritual beings for long and there are a lot of rational explanations for the experiences. Your personal experience is not enough as it is subjective. Research should give sufficient answers in the future.
Main point is that the word Jinn has no fixed meaning in the Quran.
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Salaam Afridi,
I do not know what you have experienced and how, but I have studied the phenomena of spiritual beings for long and there are a lot of rational explanations for the experiences. Your personal experience is not enough as it is subjective. Research should give sufficient answers in the future.
Main point is that the word Jinn has no fixed meaning in the Quran.
Salaam arnold
I agree Jinn has no fix meaning but but the which are described in Quran are real like human bud they are hidden and they show them self to some peoples I have seen them with my own eyes this is not a story from a book are from a film if you want to experience then set in a lonely place. OK leave that too dangerous.
i have seen then even on broad day.
Peace
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salaam,
I have settled many times in lonely places but have experienced none. 90% of all Dutch people I know has never experienced anything coming close to encountering spiritual beings. But all Sunni's I know, 90% of them has experienced them. Isn't this a bit strange and a coincidence. The people who are not brought up with these stories, the Dutch people, do not experience them. But people, the Sunni's, who are brought up with these stories do experience them.
It is all about how you teach your brain to explain phenomena. Buddhists will only see Buddha in their dreams, never the virgin Mary. But Catholics do see her. Chrisitians see Jesus, Hindus never see him in their dreams or visions. People who are brought up with the believe spirits walk the earth see them everywhere, people who are not brought up with them never see them.
Do you see a pattern emerge? It is how you are brought up to explain feelings, sounds, twists of the eyes. Your brain searches confirmations to your beliefs. You can say, but Arnold I have talked to them, seen them, felt them.
This subjective experience is not enough to convince they exist. Of the 10 "Jinn experiences", how many of them were not a bit filled in by your brain?I remember when I turned Sunni, I started to search Jinn spirits everywhere. I heard stories from every Sunni how they have encountered them. I looked everywhere and I thought I had encountered some. Whenever something strange happened, it had to be Jinn.
Since I studied the subject and learned it is superstition, I have never experienced them again. You say a desolate place, how come you see them so such? You live in a deserted place?
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I have settled many times in lonely places but have experienced none. 90% of all Dutch people I know has never experienced anything coming close to encountering spiritual beings. But all Sunni's I know, 90% of them has experienced them. Isn't this a bit strange and a coincidence. The people who are not brought up with these stories, the Dutch people, do not experience them. But people, the Sunni's, who are brought up with these stories do experience them.
strawman....
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he's comparing his experience from the people he knows, how many people he know? all dutch and all sunnis in the world? That doesn't mean its true for all dutch or all sunnis per se.
Thing is almost everybody regardless of culture, race, religion ...etc believe in that kind of stuff...
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salaam,
I have settled many times in lonely places but have experienced none. 90% of all Dutch people I know has never experienced anything coming close to encountering spiritual beings. But all Sunni's I know, 90% of them has experienced them. Isn't this a bit strange and a coincidence. The people who are not brought up with these stories, the Dutch people, do not experience them. But people, the Sunni's, who are brought up with these stories do experience them.
It is all about how you teach your brain to explain phenomena. Buddhists will only see Buddha in their dreams, never the virgin Mary. But Catholics do see her. Chrisitians see Jesus, Hindus never see him in their dreams or visions. People who are brought up with the believe spirits walk the earth see them everywhere, people who are not brought up with them never see them.
Do you see a pattern emerge? It is how you are brought up to explain feelings, sounds, twists of the eyes. Your brain searches confirmations to your beliefs. You can say, but Arnold I have talked to them, seen them, felt them.
This subjective experience is not enough to convince they exist. Of the 10 "Jinn experiences", how many of them were not a bit filled in by your brain?I remember when I turned Sunni, I started to search Jinn spirits everywhere. I heard stories from every Sunni how they have encountered them. I looked everywhere and I thought I had encountered some. Whenever something strange happened, it had to be Jinn.
Since I studied the subject and learned it is superstition, I have never experienced them again. You say a desolate place, how come you see them so such? You live in a deserted place?
Salaam arnold
It is not about Sunni or any religion or country. or living in desert places if you read my post i said they dont appear to every one and one still living in my home,
actually i was going to tell you that you set in a lonely place at night in Read so and so verse from Quraan and then you will see for your self but said leave it it is dangerous and you can get kill.
Please dont take it as a personnel attack my personnel belief is that when God says jinn O, ins or tribes off jinn he is telling us about this nation of jinns and not about hidden things.
I accept you have great knowledge of Arabic and you under stand Quraan better then me and i respect you for that but Quraan is God book and it is for every one and very easy when he says man then he means only man and not some thing else.
Peace all
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A Beautiful Mind
http//www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/
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he's comparing his experience from the people he knows, how many people he know? all dutch and all sunnis in the world? That doesn't mean its true for all dutch or all sunnis per se.
Thing is almost everybody regardless of culture, race, religion ...etc believe in that kind of stuff...
Peace,
I have studied the belief in spirits in cultures on Earth for several years, it is a big part of my Theology study at Amsterdam college. I just gave a short example to explain why I am a skeptic. I respect the belief in spirits, but I believe myself there are many psychological and neurological factors involved that explain them. Mankind has come a long way in understanding the Reality around him. Belief in spirits is one of them. It refers to believing in loose powers in nature, is the same reason why people believed in mutliple gods, seeing the forces of nature unrelated and working loose from each other, seperate powers fighting each other. This is also why everyone on Earth has believed in mutliple gods, spirit belief is directly connected to this.
Polytheism disapeared, but the fragmentary view on nature remained and thus the belief in spirits is maintained. This is also connected with the belief God intervenes constantly in the world. No consistency in the world and the Laws that control it. Views created through not seeing the connection between the Laws of the Universe and seeign them as chaotic.
And where does it say in the Quran you can summon spirits with it? It is a Guidance for mankind, not a seance book. It is send as blessing to Mankind and now you say you can summon evil jinn with it? Sorry Afridi, but this belief goes directly against the Quran. Self-imposed fear can create experiences to fulfill the expected result.
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peace Arnold
Sure, I understand, I was just saying... I do agree with your general point that your mind manifests things, however at the same time i have known many people to have seen these things... people who were not at all superstitious, people who were skeptic of such things, and a friend of mine's brother has a recorded video of a ghost....It is what it is, I am not really sure either way