SEVEN heavens
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Peace Nerspi,
hmm I have no idea !!
I think this will be discovered in the future !
My conjecture is that the known observable universe with all the galaxies and stars etc. is just the first heaven (per 4112) and there are 6 more heavens beyond that which have not been discovered yet.
The God knows best !
Great idea bravo Consider me "ON BOARD" (the same boat)
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Salam.
My conjecture is
1st Heaven The Atmosphere. (Rains, Weather, Ozone, etc)
2nd Heaven Earth & Moon System (Moon phase, Tides)
3rd Heaven Solar System (Sun, Planet, Asteroid, Comets)
4rd Heaven Milky Way (Stars, Nebula)
5th Heaven Local Group Galaxy Supercluster
6th Heaven Observeable universe http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe
7th Heaven Egde of Universe (Unobserveable)
What is beyond the edge of the universe is unimaginable, maybe another universe with different physical laws, heaven or hell we don't know.
Thanks.
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Nerspi, Tanveer,
My speculation of 4112 is that it talks about the aurora, lights in the sky.
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Peace all,
Firstly, 4112 talks about "lamps", implying the source of light, and not "glow" or "light". It doesn't say that the lower heaven is adorned with "light/glow". Thus it cannot be aurora.
Secondly, aurora is present in the upper atmosphere (thermosphere or ionosphere) so it cannot be the "lamps" in the lower heaven being talked about in 4112.
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Assalamu alaikum Tanveer,
Thanks for making that important point. I still think it is possible to have that interpretation (atmospheric layers). Just because we are not able to make sense of the second part of the Verse in conjunction with the first at the moment, it does not mean we would not be able to in the future. Perheps some future scientific discovery will allow us to interpret both parts together with the atmospheric layer interpretation. So it is still a possibility.
Ofcourse, I am not claiming that this is the right interpretation.
Peace.
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Assalamu alaikum Tanveer,
Thanks for making that important point. I still think it is possible to have that interpretation (atmospheric layers). Just because we are not able to make sense of the second part of the Verse in conjunction with the first at the moment, it does not mean we would not be able to in the future. Perheps some future scientific discovery will allow us to interpret both parts together with the atmospheric layer interpretation. So it is still a possibility.
Ofcourse, I am not claiming that this is the right interpretation, I feel it is a possibility.
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Peace.
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Peace all,
Has any one given thought to string theory?
This is the most important mathametical equation ever derived. This is the equation that explains the universe. Scientists have been working on this since 1970s. Billions have been invested in this area.
According to the string theory there are 11 dimensions (another version of this theory proposes 10 dimensions). 7 of them are hidden. 4 of the remaining ones are x axis, y axis, z axis and the time.
The theory says that there are 7 parallel universes. They are there but we cannot see them. They are in the hidden dimensions.
I read the second most interesting book of my life "The fabric of cosmos" by Briane Green. I found God everywhere.. in Quantum theory, in Relativity theory, in String theory. Science is stranger than a fiction.
Just a thought... The 7 heavens might be referring to the 7 parallel universes.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
Peace.
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Peace Nerpi
i like that theory too. 7 parallel universes.
but i still don't know how would the lights/lamps/stars mentioned in 4112 apply here.Perhaps the lowest heaven is the universe that we can see and experience. Lamps are installed in the lowest heaven.
The remaining parallel universes are in hidden dimensions.
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Peace all,
If the lamps are in the observable heaven, that leaves only 6 parallel universes, not 7.
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Peace Tanveer
Yes, I thought about that. There are two verions of string theories out there. One says there are 10 dimensions (6 hidden + 4) and the more popular one says there are 11 dimensions to the universe (7 hidden + 4). The first one seems to fit better with the scenario under discussion.
God knows what the the truth is. However after reading about string theory I am convinced that the comprehensibility of 7 heavens concept will get better with the passage of time. String theory is a very powerful equation resulted from combining the quantum theory and general theory of relativity. All that is remaining to do is somehow prove the deductions of this theory by observations. Europe and USA are building atomic breakers to do that.
Long time back the 7 heavens concept was in my list of "Difficulties in Quran". Now for me it has moved to a list of "Will get clear with time". There is a big part of physics still remaining to be explored.