Who built the kaaba that is in Mecca?
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Greetings & Peace,
I apologize for interrupting, I want to share something with the community
2140 "Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs were all Jewish or Nazarene?" Say "Are you more knowledgeable or is God?" Who is more wicked than one who conceals a testimony with him from God? God is not unaware of what you do.
2141 That was a nation that passed away, to them is what they earned and to you is what you have earned; you will not be asked about what they did.
2142 The foolish from amongst the people will say "What has turned them away from the focal point that they were on?" Say "To God is the east and the west, He guides whomsoever He wishes to a straight path."And
2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Scripture, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who honors the connection, and who contributes towards betterment; as well as those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous.
Therefore, whatever conclusions one might come to understand, this issue is probably not "Piety" - as stated in the above verse.
Therefore, to me, this whole issue is not of real significance, because either way they are both "rocks/stones" - and we don't worship that - we worship God alone. Therefore, what is more important would rather be to believe in God and do good works
262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whomever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good work; they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.
569 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whomever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good work; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.
6511 A messenger who recites to you God's revelations, which are clear, to lead those who believe and work righteousness out of the darkness into the light. Anyone who believes in God and does good works, He will admit him into paradises with rivers flowing beneath; they abide therein forever. God has granted for him and excellent reward.
Yes, we all want to find the truth of many issues but only God can provide it to whom he wills, so let us not be rude to each other - making enemies. We can surely continue to discuss to make effort for God to provide us with the truth - but only God can provide us with it - so it would rather be done in a peaceful/pious/best manner. God sees all that you do, do it with reverence to Him. )
Peace Zidane very good post bro bravo
peace
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Greetings & Peace,
I apologize for interrupting, I want to share something with the community
2140 "Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs were all Jewish or Nazarene?" Say "Are you more knowledgeable or is God?" Who is more wicked than one who conceals a testimony with him from God? God is not unaware of what you do.
2141 That was a nation that passed away, to them is what they earned and to you is what you have earned; you will not be asked about what they did.Salaam Zidane
A very good post. The two verses quoted are more than enough to debunk the rituals of hajj which are a replay of a part of the life of Ibrahim and his family. If God says that we will not be asked about what they did/usd to do, how come some believe that He is commanding us to make a small play telling what Ibrahim did or what his wife did!
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Greetings & Peace to all,
) Thanks agentxxx, Samia, I'm happy that you appreciate it. peace
If God says that we will not be asked about what they did/usd to do, how come some believe that He is commanding us to make a small play telling what Ibrahim did or what his wife did!
) Wow, Samia, a very interesting & good point. peace
May God Guide
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Volume 4, Book 55, Number 570
Bukhari
Narrated Ibn AbbasThe Prophet entered the Ka'ba and found in it the pictures of (Prophet) Abraham and Mary. On that he said' "What is the matter with them ( i.e. Quraish)? They have already heard that angels do not enter a house in which there are pictures; yet this is the picture of Abraham. And why is he depicted as practicing divination by arrows?"
Picture of Mary inside the Kaaba? It means Christians also used to pray in Kaaba.... I didn't know that however.
peace
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Why you people are changing the topic? 'coz that hadith clearly refutes you people's claim that Christians didn't pray in Kaaba! Do you have any explanation of that hadith? Why the picture of Mary in the Kaaba?
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Why you people are changing the topic? 'coz that hadith clearly refutes you people's claim that Christians didn't pray in Kaaba! Do you have any explanation of that hadith? Why the picture of Mary in the Kaaba?
who said that confused
How did they know they were Meriam and Ibrahim? Anyone saw them and can verify? Maybe she was some Isis and he was some Osiris (3uzair)?
Was Ibrahim known as one who practiced divination by arrows?folk lores! maybe???
peace
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Rajah
Sure I will take the words of Allah as Allah says it is without any ambguity, where ever you find it ambigious.
agentxxx
Who says this?
Allah says this! and I have quoted the verse
An Arabic Quran, without any ambiguity, that they may be righteous.
Agentxxx
NO ONE SHOULD BE DOGMATIC, as THE FINAL MEANING IS KNOWN TO ALLAH ALONE
.Oh! so we have a Mullah agentxxx now, a good shift, if the final meaning is known by Allah then we should leave it to Allah, what is the all fuss about, why are you and few others trying distorting historical and religous facts.
Agentxxx
Quran was revealed in Arabic for people who understood this language, but we are not discussing where quran was revealed.
We are discussing Ibrahim and the construction of the sacred mosque??..was the language of Ibrahim ?Arabic?? How does this support the construction of kaaba?
That is very important dear friend, becuase by knowing where the Quran was revealed and to whom Quran was revealed we can arrive at who built the Kaaba that is in Mecca?
Quran was revealed in Arabic and to Arabs, therefore they are the nation which has been given importance by Allah to lead the world in FUTURE weather yOU, AYMAN or anyone likes it or not!
Now we go back to the Verses I quoted above
Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House, our Lord! that they may establish proper worship; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them, and provide Thou them with fruits in order that they may be thankful.This verse clearly tells us settling of Ismail in an Uncultivable Land near Allah's house, Now if the Allah's house was the Mosque in Aqsa that is in Jerusalem and which is not uncultivable then where did ISAAC and other Prophets lived?
Infact as I wrote earlier
When prophethood was found among the descendants of Abraham (Isaac?), the Aqsa Mosque was the hub of events and the mosque of the descendants of Isaac. But when Allah removed prophethood and scripture from them, and placed it among the descendants of Ishmael, it was His will that the Prophet be born in the Sacred land itself, so that all the Arabs without exception, would know that he was a descendant of Ishmael.AGENTXXX
And yet all the prophets before Mohammad were living some where around Jerusalem?.did they not worshiping the almighty?
I THINK YOU DONOT READ the posts of opposing party, and just keep on bringing out what is in your mind from here and there. I have given you some verses from Bible indicating that they praised Allah while facing Makkah.
Secondly that is not what we are discussing it will take another long session for this, therefore let us stick to the topic.Agent xxx
I think we are discussing the name of a PLACE and not Allah and his messengers or a building.
Come on you are just clutching the straws now.
Agent Xxx
Yes you may have answered five questions?but are they ration answers??..NO
Well that is not for you to decide. I would loved to be engaged with Tanveer on this topic but due to some unknown reasons he did not responded and you were only one who kept on posting, therefore you were the only choice. What I am posting here despite lack of time is just to give the other side view of the coin.
And YEs by calling Quran Ambigious I think you just ended up being a Hypocrite (sorry to say)
the Ayat 37 saysHe is the One who sent down to you the scripture, from which there are law giving verses; they are the essence of the Scripture; and others which seem similar to each other. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what seems similar of it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God and those who are well founded in knowledge. They say "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except the people of understanding.
In its narrow meaning, "mutashabih" refers to all verses which can be understood in more than one ways. This includes all kind of allegories. The various meaning or implication of the same words require some qualities in the audience attentive mind, positive attitude, contextual perspective, and patience for research
The intention of those who try to understand the multiple-meaning verses is important. With the disease in their hearts, they try to confuse others by focusing on multiple meaning verses. Since only sincere believers possess the quality to understand the Quran (1746; 1857; 5417), hypocrites will not be able to find the true meaning of multiple-meaning words.
In order to believe in all the verses of the Quran, one does not need to be deeply rooted in knowledge. To be a "believer" is a sufficient condition to beleive all the verses. However, one needs to have deep knowledge of the Quran in order to understand "mutashabih" (multiple meaning) verses accurately. Therefore, 37 mentions a narrow category (those who deeply rooted in knowledge) in relation with those multiple meaning verses.
You have denied the word of ALLAH on various occassions like ayman for example here
RajahWhere is the House of Allah located??
Agentxxx
If I knew positively where it was?.I wouldn?t be discussing it.
So my answer is ?It could be anywhere?.But ALLah says it is
Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House, our Lord! that they may establish proper worship; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them, and provide Thou them with fruits in order that they may be thankful.
So the Allah's house is near to
an uncultivable Valley and NOT ANY WHERE. according to Quran.Next I will expose your Family tree regarding Muhammad.
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Agent XXX
They may have been good in memorizing and repeating the family tree ???..but they were definitely not good at remembering the massage of their ancestor IBRAHIM, and in only 30 generation they changed from worshiping ?Allah alone? to worshiping ?365 idols?.
and why cant these idol worshipers lie about the origin of mecca....which was their only source of economy?According to ibn Ishak there is a gap of only 50 generations between Adam and Mohammad
is this the type of historical evidence you support bro?
I don't know what exactly do you call evidence? as you have shown in your previous posts, No evidence that opposes your thoughts is evidence.
In Most of the family trees only the important personalities are some time listed and rest are edited. But your family tree is erraneous and don't know what is your source for that.
From Muhammad to Adnan (21)
the son of ABD ALLAH,
son of ABD-UL-MUTTALIB,
son of HASHIM,
son of Abdu Manaf,
son of Qusay,
son of Kilab,
son of Hakeem,
son of Kaab,
son of Luayy,
son of Ghalib,
son of Fihr,
son of Malik,
son of Qays,
son of Kinanah,
son of Khuzaymah,
son of Mudrikah,
son of Ilyas,
son of Mudhar,
son of Nizar,
son of Maad,
son of Adnan,from Adnan to Keedar it is (39) generations
Udd
Hamseeah
Salaman
Aus
Boz
Qamwaal
Ubi
Awam
Nashid
Hiza
Baldaas
Yadlaaf
Tanj
Jahem
Nahish
MaKhi
Aifi
Abqar
Ubaid
Aldua
Hamdaan
Sunber
Yasrabi
Yahzan
Yalhan
Arouway
Deshaan
Aiser
Iqnaad
Ibhaam
Muqsir
Nahis
Zarh
Sami
Muzi
Auwiz
Araam
KeedarThus making it 60 and we are more concerned up to here and then from Ismail to Adam 20 more as is in Bible thus making the total 80 generations.
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agentxxx
The mobile reference was not funny, it was rational reference to know how otherwise ishaq could have communicated with Ismail who was living 1000 km from him?..you avoided answering it by simply calling it ?funny question?.
Rational reference brickwall
There could have been many possibilities
- ISmail and ISaac were both beloved of Allah they could have informed through "WAHI".
- They could have communicated with each other through Telepathy.
- They could have preserved the dead body, I mentioned Mummies of egypt no rotting, so there were chances that Isaac and his man may have known how to preserve the dead body of Abraham and then ISmail after a period had arrived at the scene.
So there could be more than one, but of using mobile phone is just mocking, the powers of Allah and his prophets.
Infact you made joke of the Prophets of Allah.
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Further exposing Agentxxx
Mount puran in kharian was meant to be funny as a response to your funny interpretation of mount paran in Mecca???if ?mount paran in kharian? can be funny for you then why cant ?mount paran in Mecca? can be funny for someone else???..when both these interpretations are based on assumption
Mount Paran being in Arabia is not based on assumption but on some resarchers comments as I posted. But If you can present a single comment, work, research that places Mt.Paran in Kharian, I might consider you to be a serious contender for discussing what we are discussing, other wise your grading will further deteriorate in our eyes. I give you one whole week for this.
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Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House, our Lord! that they may establish proper worship; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them, and provide Thou them with fruits in order that they may be thankful.
One of the driest and hottest countries of the world, ninety percent of Arabia is made up of barren desert. The geological and physical features of the land along with its climatic conditions have kept its population, in the days gone by and also in the present time, to the minimum and hindered the flowering of large civilizations and empires.
Ibrahim had implored the Lord to bless his descendants with his own spirit of struggle against the evil of pantheism and iconolatry. He wanted his heirs to carry into their thoughts how he had to strive all his life for the sake of Truth and Faith; how he had to bid farewell to his hearth and home; realize why he had incurred the wrath of his idolatrous father; and appreciate the wisdom behind his making a selection of that valley, unbelievably bare with no scrap of soil, sheer from top to bottom and jagged and sharp for their habitation. He wanted them to understand why he had preferred that wilderness, holding no prospects of progress and civilization, over verdant lands and flourishing towns and centers of trade, arts and commerce where one could easily meet one's wishes
The main reason for the advent of the last Prophet in Arabia was the Ka'ba, the House of God, built by Abraham and Ishmael as the center for worship of One God.
"Lo ! the first Sanctuary/house/shrine appointed for mankind was that at Becca , a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples."
Most of the old translators of the Bible gave this word the meaning of 'a valley of weeping', but better sense seems to have prevailed later on. According to more recent of the Biblical scholars, the word 'signifies rather any valley lacking water, and 'the Psalmist apparently has in mind a -particular valley whose natural condition led him to adopt that name. Now, this waterless valley, which can easily be identified with the valley of Makkah, has been thus mentioned in the Book of Psalms.
"Blessed art they that dwell in Your house; they will still be praising thee Selah. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; In whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well."
Abraham and Ismail prayed to Allah while laying down the foundation of KAABA that is in MAKKAH
"Our Lord! And raise up unto them an Messenger from among them, who shall recite unto them Your revelations, and shall teach them the Book and wisdom, and shall cleanse them. Verily You! You art the Mighty, the Wise."And the Mighty and Wise answered their prayers by sending "MUHAMMAD" to them.
History of Syria by Philip K. Hitti who writes about the religion of Nabataean kingdoms
"At the head of the pantheon stood Dushara (dhu-al-Shara, Dusara), a sun deity worshipped under the form of anobelisk or an unknown four-cornered black stone.... Associated with Dushara was Al-Lat, chief goddess of Arabia. Other Nabataean goddesses cited in the inscriptions were Manat and al-'Uzza, of Koranic fame, Hubal also figures in the inscriptions."
This clearly indicates that Quranic Kaaba is the same that is in Makkah because these above named dieties were to be found only in Makkah.
Another writer, De Lacy O'Leary, tracing the influences responsible for introduction of idol worship in the Arabian Peninsula sums up his findings in the "Arabia before Muhammed" in these words
"It seems fairly safe therefore to understand that the use of images was an instance of Syro-Hellenistic culture which had come down the trade-route; it was a recent introduction in Makkah in the time of the Prophet and was probably unknown to the Arab community at large."
Allah ho Akbar.
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Raj-ah
Why do you feel you need to intimidate members of this board with your scholastic "expertise"?
Your name calling does not befit a believer either, and do not think that appending Allaho Akbar at the end of each of your "enlightened" conclusions is going to add to the credibility of your explanations.
In fact there is no mention of Allaho Akbar in The Quran, let alone that it be used when someone is religiously "extatic", plus it associates you with certain (violent) groups who are not doing Islam's reputation any good, in fact Allah is fighting them day and night for their extremism...
Peace
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For those who are jealous from Allah ho Akbar
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RasulHamsa, what is your damage,
flashing some beautiful fonts writing Allaho Akbar does not mean anything.
Show a single Ayat in The Quran where Allah uses Allaho Akbar...
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PeacePS I am not saying not to use it, Allah is Grater indeed of any and everything, just not use Allah's name in vain on what are after all interpretations!!!
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Peace bro agentxxx,
I think this verse is interesting to understand what does it mean that "no warner has come to us/them".....what do you think about this
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat5_files/5_19.gif
O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you, to explain things to you, after a period of time without messengers, lest you say, "We did not receive any preacher or warner." A preacher and warner has now come to you. GOD is Omnipotent.
Salaams
peace