"We" vs God Alone
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I came across to following question. Would appreciate your thoughts about it.
1316 Say "Who is the Lord of the heavens and Earth?" Say "God." Say "Have you taken besides Him allies who do not possess for themselves any benefit or harm?" Say "Is the blind and the seer the same?, or does the darkness and the light equate? Or have they made partners with God who have created like His creation, so the creations all seemed the same to them?" Say "God has created all things, and He is the One, the Supreme."
117 He is the One who created the heavens and Earth in six days, and His throne was upon the water, and to test who from amongst you works the best. And when you say "You will be resurrected after death." those who rejected will say "This is but clear magic!"5038 And We have created the heavens and the Earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.
Why has been said that God is the One who created everything. and then in other verses is used "We" which is a plural form. How to explain that?
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It's the royal We.
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Peace to all,,
I dont think we will really know the answer until we get to heaven Zerda, we is used even in the old testament,,, look at the verses in Genesis'' God said , "let Us create man and woman in our image". Yet we still are told constantly there is only one God and to have no others.. All we can assume is maybe there were others with GOd or God created others before us and creation, or maybe they are the angels since we know they already existed.
Kurt
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peace all,
Kurt, I don't think "we'll find out when we die" is a good enough answer. IMO, God wouldn't give us something we can't understand. Defeats the purpose of the book.
OPF, that's what I thought too. Like the Queen calls herself We or something. The problem is though that sometimes it says God or He and other times it says We and I. Why so many different ways of addressing the same thing? Maybe the quran is compilation of different writings?
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There is no royal "he"!
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Salam.
I can't remember the verse now but i clearly remember when The God says in The Quran that He did not take any witnesses as He created.
Can someone help me out here?
Does anyone remember the verse i'm tlaking about?It goes something like this"And We did not take them as witnesses when We created these ...... ?
I can't remember it now but i will find it soon, God willing.
God willing.Peace.
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There is no royal "he"!
explain.
Kurt is right , when HE sun uses the word WE , it means there have been other entities angel involved along with him grouphug in that project.
This has been quite consistent in Quran.
hmm
yeah, but there's no project, and god dont need help. god says "be" and it is. -
When someone speaks of himself in the third person, this is a royal he I believe.
Actually, yes. Let me rephrase - there is no distinction between "he" and "we" in the royal sense.
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Peace,
I have for a long time held the belief that the the Quran is revealed by Gabriel with the assitance of other angels and the authority of God. 4130 & 31 shows that the 'we' are the angels speaking in the book. This covers the first passage of the Quran (which everyone assumes to be a prayer but which never says this) as well as other passages in the Quran like 'I am the servant of the lord of this land' and others. When I find where I recorded these down I will post them. There are many I's and We's used in the Quran that don't cannot refer to God. The first and most obvious of all is iyaaka na&budu was iyaaka nasta&eena. THere is not qul, sallee, adoo, ibtahil, sabbih or any of this before the first chapter in the Quran and there is no reason to think that these are the words of anyone else than the authors and revealers of the Quran. I don't believe that the Quran is exactly God's words they are the words of His messengers, Gabriel and the other angels which God commanded them to tell us. Within the Quran there are direct quotes from God but the book is not from God's mouth but fromt he mouth of Gabriel, revealed with the help of other angels and fully authorized by God.
Godbless,
Anwar -
but wasn't it written in the Quran somewhere, et there are some parts of it which interpretation only God knows..
I mean, it is so human to argue about different things, but only God knows which one of us is right.. And we will be informed of it in the Judgement day..
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Peace,
I have for a long time held the belief that the the Quran is revealed by Gabriel with the assitance of other angels and the authority of God. 4130 & 31 shows that the 'we' are the angels speaking in the book. This covers the first passage of the Quran (which everyone assumes to be a prayer but which never says this) as well as other passages in the Quran like 'I am the servant of the lord of this land' and others. When I find where I recorded these down I will post them. There are many I's and We's used in the Quran that don't cannot refer to God. The first and most obvious of all is iyaaka na&budu was iyaaka nasta&eena. THere is not qul, sallee, adoo, ibtahil, sabbih or any of this before the first chapter in the Quran and there is no reason to think that these are the words of anyone else than the authors and revealers of the Quran. I don't believe that the Quran is exactly God's words they are the words of His messengers, Gabriel and the other angels which God commanded them to tell us. Within the Quran there are direct quotes from God but the book is not from God's mouth but fromt he mouth of Gabriel, revealed with the help of other angels and fully authorized by God.
Godbless,
Anwar234-35
What do you make of that?
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YUSUFALI And behold, We said to the angels "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis he refused and was haughty He was of those who reject Faith.
PICKTHAL And when We said unto the angels Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.
SHAKIR And when We said to the angels Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance, but Iblis (did it not). He refused and he was proud, and he was one of the unbelievers.002.035
YUSUFALI We said "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
PICKTHAL And We said O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.
SHAKIR And We said O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the garden and eat from it a plenteous (food) wherever you wish and do not approach this tree, for then you will be of the unjust.Notice "We" being used in BOTH of them - once addressing the angels and once Adam. This is the equivalent of me turning to person X and saying whatever then turning to person Y.
Not as if I'm addressing X and then X decides to talk to Y.
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Greetings fellow believers in Allah, His Book, and His Divine System!
When Allah uses "We" in self-reference, it is called "royal we" or "royal plural".
This is my source http//godallah.com/we_and_he.php
I did, however, find other sites that deny "royal we" exists in Arabic. They were all anti-Islam sites. Their motivation seems to be to prove the trinity, saying "We" means Allah and "Jesus". yeah
Why does the Quran use "WE" and "HE" in Quran when referring to God (Allah)?
This is a good question and one that Bible readers have also asked about. The term "We" in the Bible and in the Quran is the royal "We" - as an example when the king says, "We decree the following declaration, etc." or, "We are not amused." It does not indicate plural; rather it displays the highest position in the language. English, Persian, Hebrew, Arabic and many languages provide for the usage of "We" for the royal figure. It is helpful to note the same dignity is given to the person being spoken to in English. We say to someone, "You ARE my friend." Yet the person is only one person standing there. Why did we say "ARE" instead of "IS"? The noun "you" is singular and should therefore be associated with a singular verb for the state of being, yet we say, "are." The same is true for the speaker when referring to himself or herself. We say, "I am" and this is also in the royal plural, instead of saying, "I is."
When Allah uses the term "HE" in Quran it is similar to the above answer. The word "He" is used when referring to Allah out of respect, dignity and high status. It would be totally inappropriate to use the word "it" and would not convey the proper understanding of Allah being who Allah is; Alive, Compassionate, Forgiving, Patient, Loving, etc. It is not correct to associate the word "He" with gender, as this would be comparing Allah to the creation, something totally against the teaching of Quran.
Humbly,
Brian
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Peace,
With all due respect, anyone who has read the Quran enough in Arabic (even in English) knows that the royal we doesn't stand up. Why would God use I in certain places and we in other places (is he less royal at times). There are portions also in the Quran where the we is obviously not God, al-fatiha is the first and most blantant example. As al-fatiha shows and as 4130-31 shows the Gabriel along with other angels revealed the Quran and Gabriel is the narrator. Any other I that relates to God is a direct quote from God.
There is a royal plural in Arabic. I have seen it in literature. You (antum, antunna), I (nahnu). As far as huwa or he referring to I am not sure that this is a royal plural at all ( it is not plural) or a form of royalty but it definitely is an indirect way of referring to oneself.
However again like al-faatiha and the verse about the lord of this city, this is the author of the Quran saying that he is a servant of the lord of this land. The author of the Quran is Gabriel and it is by God's authority and working with other angels that the Quran has been revealed.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Now I get your perspective.
What about 238 then? It's a strange verse.
Now, from your perspective, 250 seems more plausible if "angels" are simply "forces of nature" - didn't someone else also come to this?
I think I've had enough of these translations, time to get cracking.