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Can Someone Be Both Muslim & Christian???

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    "I am both Muslim and Christian"
    By Janet I. Tu

    Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev. Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill.

    On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest.

    She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.

    Redding, who until recently was director of faith formation at St. Mark's Episcopal Cathedral, has been a priest for more than 20 years. Now she's ready to tell people that, for the last 15 months, she's also been a Muslim ? drawn to the faith after an introduction to Islamic prayers left her profoundly moved.

    Her announcement has provoked surprise and bewilderment in many, raising an obvious question How can someone be both a Christian and a Muslim?

    But it has drawn other reactions too. Friends generally say they support her, while religious scholars are mixed Some say that, depending on how one interprets the tenets of the two faiths, it is, indeed, possible to be both. Others consider the two faiths mutually exclusive.

    "There are tenets of the faiths that are very, very different," said Kurt Fredrickson, director of the doctor of ministry program at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. "The most basic would be What do you do with Jesus?"

    Christianity has historically regarded Jesus as the son of God and God incarnate, both fully human and fully divine. Muslims, though they regard Jesus as a great prophet, do not see him as divine and do not consider him the son of God.

    "I don't think it's possible" to be both, Fredrickson said, just like "you can't be a Republican and a Democrat."

    Redding, who will begin teaching the New Testament as a visiting assistant professor at Seattle University this fall, has a different analogy "I am both Muslim and Christian, just like I'm both an American of African descent and a woman. I'm 100 percent both."

    Redding doesn't feel she has to resolve all the contradictions. People within one religion can't even agree on all the details, she said. "So why would I spend time to try to reconcile all of Christian belief with all of Islam?

    "At the most basic level, I understand the two religions to be compatible. That's all I need."

    She says she felt an inexplicable call to become Muslim, and to surrender to God ? the meaning of the word "Islam."

    "It wasn't about intellect," she said. "All I know is the calling of my heart to Islam was very much something about my identity and who I am supposed to be.

    "I could not not be a Muslim."

    Redding's situation is highly unusual. Officials at the national Episcopal Church headquarters said they are not aware of any other instance in which a priest has also been a believer in another faith. They said it's up to the local bishop to decide whether such a priest could continue in that role.

    Redding's bishop, the Rt. Rev. Vincent Warner, says he accepts Redding as an Episcopal priest and a Muslim, and that he finds the interfaith possibilities exciting. Her announcement, first made through a story in her diocese's newspaper, hasn't caused much controversy yet, he said.

    Some local Muslim leaders are perplexed.

    Being both Muslim and Christian ? "I don't know how that works," said Hisham Farajallah, president of the Islamic Center of Washington.

    But Redding has been embraced by leaders at the Al-Islam Center of Seattle, the Muslim group she prays with.

    "Islam doesn't say if you're a Christian, you're not a Muslim," said programming director Ayesha Anderson. "Islam doesn't lay it out like that."

    Redding believes telling her story can help ease religious tensions, and she hopes it can be a step toward her dream of creating an institute to study Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

    "I think this thing that's happened to me can be a sign of hope," she said.

    Finding a religion that fit

    Redding is 55 and single, with deep brown eyes, dreadlocks and a voice that becomes easily impassioned when talking about faith. She's also a classically trained singer, and has sung at jazz nights at St. Mark's.

    The oldest of three girls, Redding grew up in Pennsylvania in a high-achieving, intellectual family. Her father was one of the lawyers who argued the landmark Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court case that desegregated the nation's public schools. Her mother was in the first class of Fulbright scholars.

    Though her parents weren't particularly religious, they had her baptized and sent her to an Episcopal Sunday school. She has always sensed that God existed and God loved her, even when things got bleak ? which they did.

    She experienced racism in schools, was sexually abused and, by the time she was a young adult, was struggling with alcohol addiction; she's been in recovery for 20 years.

    Despite those difficulties, she graduated from Brown University, earned master's degrees from two seminaries and received her Ph.D. in New Testament from Union Theological Seminary in New York City. She felt called to the priesthood and was ordained in 1984.

    As much as she loves her church, she has always challenged it. She calls Christianity the "world religion of privilege." She has never believed in original sin. And for years she struggled with the nature of Jesus' divinity.

    She found a good fit at St. Mark's, coming to the flagship of the Episcopal Church in Western Washington in 2001. She was in charge of programs to form and deepen people's faith until March this year when she was one of three employees laid off for budget reasons. The dean of the cathedral said Redding's exploration of Islam had nothing to do with her layoff.

    Ironically, it was at St. Mark's that she first became drawn to Islam.

    In fall 2005, a local Muslim leader gave a talk at the cathedral, then prayed before those attending. Redding was moved. As he dropped to his knees and stretched forward against the floor, it seemed to her that his whole body was involved in surrendering to God.

    Then in the spring, at a St. Mark's interfaith class, another Muslim leader taught a chanted prayer and led a meditation on opening one's heart. The chanting appealed to the singer in Redding; the meditation spoke to her heart. She began saying the prayer daily.

    Around that time, her mother died, and then "I was in a situation that I could not handle by any other means, other than a total surrender to God," she said.

    She still doesn't know why that meant she had to become a Muslim. All she knows is "when God gives you an invitation, you don't turn it down."

    In March 2006, she said her shahada ? the profession of faith ? testifying that there is only one God and that Mohammed is his messenger. She became a Muslim.

    Before she took the shahada, she read a lot about Islam. Afterward, she learned from local Muslim leaders, including those in Islam's largest denomination ? Sunni ? and those in the Sufi mystical tradition of Islam. She began praying with the Al-Islam Center, a Sunni group that is predominantly African-American.

    There were moments when practicing Islam seemed like coming home.

    In Seattle's Episcopal circles, Redding had mixed largely with white people. "To walk into Al-Islam and be reminded that there are more people of color in the world than white people, that in itself is a relief," she said.

    She found the discipline of praying five times a day ? one of the five pillars of Islam that all Muslims are supposed to follow ? gave her the deep sense of connection with God that she yearned for.

    It came from "knowing at all times I'm in between prayers." She likens it to being in love, constantly looking forward to having "all these dates with God. ... Living a life where you're remembering God intentionally, consciously, just changes everything."

    Friends who didn't know she was practicing Islam told her she glowed.

    Aside from the established sets of prayers she recites in Arabic fives times each day, Redding says her prayers are neither uniquely Islamic nor Christian. They're simply her private talks with God or Allah ? she uses both names interchangeably. "It's the same person, praying to the same God."

    In many ways, she says, "coming to Islam was like coming into a family with whom I'd been estranged. We have not only the same God, but the same ancestor with Abraham."

    A shared beginning

    Indeed, Islam, Christianity and Judaism trace their roots to Abraham, the patriarch of Judaism who is also considered the spiritual father of all three faiths. They share a common belief in one God, and there are certain similar stories in their holy texts.

    But there are many significant differences, too.

    Muslims regard the Quran as the unadulterated word of God, delivered through the angel Gabriel to Mohammed. While they believe the Torah and the Gospels include revelations from God, they believe those revelations have been misinterpreted or mishandled by humans.

    Most significantly, Muslims and Christians disagree over the divinity of Jesus.

    Muslims generally believe in Jesus' virgin birth, that he was a messenger of God, that he ascended to heaven alive and that he will come back at the end of time to destroy evil. They do not believe in the Trinity, in the divinity of Jesus or in his death and resurrection.

    For Christians, belief in Jesus' divinity, and that he died on the cross and was resurrected, lie at the heart of the faith, as does the belief that there is one God who consists of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Redding's views, even before she embraced Islam, were more interpretive than literal.

    She believes the Trinity is an idea about God and cannot be taken literally.

    She does not believe Jesus and God are the same, but rather that God is more than Jesus.

    She believes Jesus is the son of God insofar as all humans are the children of God, and that Jesus is divine, just as all humans are divine ? because God dwells in all humans.

    What makes Jesus unique, she believes, is that out of all humans, he most embodied being filled with God and identifying completely with God's will.

    She does believe that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected, and acknowledges those beliefs conflict with the teachings of the Quran. "That's something I'll find a challenge the rest of my life," she said.

    She considers Jesus her savior. At times of despair, because she knows Jesus suffered and overcame suffering, "he has connected me with God," she said.

    That's not to say she couldn't develop as deep a relationship with Mohammed. "I'm still getting to know him," she said.

    Matter of interpretation

    Some religious scholars understand Redding's thinking.

    While the popular Christian view is that Jesus is God and that he came to Earth and took on a human body, other Christians believe his divinity means that he embodied the spirit of God in his life and work, said Eugene Webb, professor emeritus of comparative religion at the University of Washington.

    Webb says it's possible to be both Muslim and Christian "It's a matter of interpretation. But a lot of people on both sides do not believe in interpretation. "

    Ihsan Bagby, associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky, agrees with Webb, and adds that Islam tends to be a little more flexible. Muslims can have faith in Jesus, he said, as long as they believe in Mohammed's message.

    Other scholars are skeptical.

    "The theological beliefs are irreconcilable," said Mahmoud Ayoub, professor of Islamic studies and comparative religion at Temple University in Philadelphia. Islam holds that God is one, unique, indivisible. "For Muslims to say Jesus is God would be blasphemy."

    Frank Spina, an Episcopal priest and also a professor of Old Testament and biblical theology at Seattle Pacific University, puts it bluntly.

    "I just do not think this sort of thing works," he said. "I think you have to give up what is essential to Christianity to make the moves that she has done.

    "The essence of Christianity was not that Jesus was a great rabbi or even a great prophet, but that he is the very incarnation of the God that created the world.... Christianity stands or falls on who Jesus is."

    Spina also says that as priests, he and Redding have taken vows of commitment to the doctrines of the church. "That means none of us get to work out what we think all by ourselves."

    Redding knows there are many Christians and Muslims who will not accept her as both.

    "I don't care," she says. "They can't take away my baptism." And as she understands it, once she's made her profession of faith to become a Muslim, no one can say she isn't that, either.

    While she doesn't rule out that one day she may choose one or the other, it's more likely "that I'm going to be 100 percent Christian and 100 percent Muslim when I die."

    Deepened spirituality

    These days, Redding usually carries a headscarf with her wherever she goes so she can pray five times a day.

    On Fridays, she prays with about 20 others at the Al-Islam Center. On Sundays, she prays in church, usually at St. Clement's of Rome in the Mount Baker neighborhood.

    One thing she prays for every day "I pray not to cause scandal or bring shame upon either of my traditions."

    Being Muslim has given her insights into Christianity, she said. For instance, because Islam regards Jesus as human, not divine, it reinforces for her that "we can be like Jesus. There are no excuses."

    Doug Thorpe, who served on St. Mark's faith-formation committee with Redding, said he's trying to understand all the dimensions of her faith choices. But he saw how it deepened her spirituality. And it spurred him to read the Quran and think more deeply about his own faith.

    He believes Redding is being called. She is, "by her very presence, a bridge person," Thorpe said. "And we desperately need those bridge persons."

    In Redding's car, she has hung up a cross she made of clear crystal beads. Next to it, she has dangled a heart-shaped leather object etched with the Arabic symbol for Allah.

    "For me, that symbolizes who I am," Redding said. "I look through Jesus and I see Allah."

    Janet I. Tu 206-464-2272 or [email protected]

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      peace4life
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      Salam,

      interesting story. I would call her a "hybrid" .. everybody is a hybrid ... your "self" takes things and rejects things. There are Muslims of all faiths. Hindu-submitters, Christian-submitters, Jewish-submitters ... religion is all for God ... God had sent Messengers to all nations, as long as you are not idol-worshipping.

      There is only One God to submit to, that's why the best book to follow would ultimately be the Quran after its messages are purified. Many so called-Muslims are in the same position as people of any other faith. They idol-worship the prophet, or the family of the prophet, or their egos or money. Anything you associate with the one God is idol-worship.

      Can you follow 2 religions at the same time? well ... what is religion? we are all "hybrids". So my answer would be that you follow the religion of Abraham (submission and montheism) ... whatever that means to you is your personal matter. And read the Quran alone because other books have been corrupted so much.

      sun

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        We believe in the same God, that's all that really matters in the grand scheme of things.

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          I believe that one can remain both a Muslim & Christian simultaneously (a Mustian or a Chrislim - D), provided the pagan dogmatic rituals are feathered away. Janet Tu visions it differently and her thoughts are just temporal, though she feels its a good exercise to collaborate religions towards tranquility and togetherness. I've honestly tried that too long time ago, but never worked. Being a born Muslim, I've been several times to mandirs and churches for social-cum-religious ceremonies but never performed rituals nor forced into indoctrination yet remained humanistic.

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            Of course anyone can be whatever religion(s) they choose, its all perspective of the same things. Like God, Jesus, and prophets. I read this and her beliefs almost exactly match my own. I really want to talk with her. Im glad that people are starting to cross the boundires set up by needless fighting and mistrust so long ago.

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              If "muslim" means "peaceful" then yes, a muslim can be a christian. A mumin (believer) can't be.

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                Interesting story indeed. It reminds me of a Mongol king who went to a mosque and pray with Muslims on Fridays, and went to a synagogue to pray with Jews on Saturdays, and went to a church and pray with Christians on Sundays. The reason he was doing this was because he was not sure which religion was the truth so he just wanna be on the safe side. ;D

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                  Lost_Philosopher
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                  I like that King's thinking.

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                    Interesting story indeed. It reminds me of a Mongol king who went to a mosque and pray with Muslims on Fridays, and went to a synagogue to pray with Jews on Saturdays, and went to a church and pray with Christians on Sundays. The reason he was doing this was because he was not sure which religion was the truth so he just wanna be on the safe side. ;D

                    It's a good thing most of his subjects weren't Pastafarian.

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                      If "muslim" means "peaceful" then yes, a muslim can be a christian. A mumin (believer) can't be.

                      Im not sure I understand, I feel I can be a Mumin and a christian. What prevents a christian from believing in Islam and Christianity?

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                        Im not sure I understand, I feel I can be a Mumin and a christian. What prevents a christian from believing in Islam and Christianity?

                        Islam is "Christianity", or I think it was called, "Wayism" and now "Unitary Christianity". If there is no setting up partners with God (i.e. trinity), there is nothing wrong.

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                          peace LP,
                          You can be a believer and a christian as long as what you believe is true. Mumin are the believers in truth. So call yourself whatever you want, as long as you are following the truth, you'll be fine.

                          and setting up partners with god starts a lot smaller than trinity. It's when people ignore the truth, or the right thing, and follow their own desires, like Adam did. That's what leads to worshipping of stone idols and killing people etc.
                          And the story of Adam shows us that the states of muslim, mumin, kafir, etc are not concrete but most people are shifting constantly between one state of mind and another. Our goal is to stay in islam ALL the time. That's why the quran says "don't die except as muslim."

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                            Interesting story indeed. It reminds me of a Mongol king who went to a mosque and pray with Muslims on Fridays, and went to a synagogue to pray with Jews on Saturdays, and went to a church and pray with Christians on Sundays. The reason he was doing this was because he was not sure which religion was the truth so he just wanna be on the safe side. ;D

                            Nowadays, with the rise of sectarianism, the case for this Mongol King could be much more difficult. He have to prays with Sunni on one Friday and Shiah on the other, go to Catholic Church on one Sunday, JW Church on other, Protestant Church on other and so on.... D

                            Salam

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                              That's why the quran says "don't die except as muslim."

                              I have a different 'interpretation' regarding this one..
                              To me; it means when you are facing your death, don't resist instead surrender yourself to God (be muslim).

                              Salam

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                                The original Christians (i.e. the disciples of Jesus (alaihi salaam) and perhaps a few generations following them) were in fact Muslims.

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                                  367 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene, but he was a monotheist who submitted; he was not of those who set up partners.

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                                    with context

                                    365 "O people of the Scripture, why do you debate us regarding Abraham when the Torah and the Injeel were not sent down except after him? Do you not understand?"
                                    366 Here you have debated in what you knew; so why then do you debate in what you do not know? God knows while you do not know.
                                    367 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene, but he was a monotheist who submitted; he was not of those who set up partners.
                                    368 The most legitimate people to Abraham are those who followed him; and this prophet, and those who believed; and God is the supporter of the believers.

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                                      Salam.

                                      No.
                                      You can't be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time, you're either one or the other, those are the rules we took, you either follow them or you don't.
                                      Muslims know the Truth about Jesus and The Exalted God while Christians don't and that is the main reason why one cannot be both at the same time.

                                      Peace.

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                                        salam alen

                                        we are not talking about traditional muslims and traditional christians

                                        there are obscure sects in christianity that can be muslim

                                        for example the unitarian sect, i've met a few (emphasis on few ;D) christians who reject the trinity, and believe jesus just to be a man/prophet thats very 'muslim' if you ask me. Muslim is a description not a name anyone can call themselves and they magically become a 'muslim'.

                                        4213 He has decreed for you the same system (deen) He ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you (Muhammad), and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus "You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it." Intolerable for those who have set up partners is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.

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                                          Peace all,

                                          1. And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender.

                                          peace

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