Salat in Hadith

AlFajr

I also never read any such instructions. The only things I read are say certain things during prayer. And how many Rakahs. But not explanation that details the full prayer. So basically not one person knew how to pray. It needed many Sahaba who only remembered a few instructions or so each. giveup

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ade_cool

Shahih Sunan Abu Dawud Book 3, Number 0921

Narrated AbuHurayrah

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said Kill the two black things during prayer, the snake and scorpion.

From the hadith above, we are supposed to kill snake and scorpions during prayer. This is how we are supposed to perform during prayer according to hadith books ;D

arnoldyasin

Dr.Shabbir

The "Imams" Mock Namaz!

?THE QUESTION IS Do the 1.4 million Ahadith give us a complete, unified, method of NAMAZ (How to pray, ?perform? or ?offer NAMAZ)? The answer is a resounding NO!

Please remind yourself of the famous, weird tale of the Prophet (S) ascending to heavens to meet with Allah, the so-called Me'raaj (the word is non-existent in the Qur'an). Is not Allah Omnipresent?

The "Imams" of Hadith want us to believe that Allah ordained 50 ritual prayers daily for Muslims on that occasion. As the exalted Prophet was descending from the highest sky, Prophet Moses told him of the impossibility of the situation and sent Muhammad (S) back again and again. Imagine the Prophet (S) bargaining with God! Repeated visits to and fro then bring the number down to 40, 30, 20, 10, (elsewhere, from 50 down to half and again to another half and so on), finally to 5! Allah also said, ?These are five and these are fifty. I do not alter My Word.? Moses a. s. wanted him to make one more trip but Muhammad (S) said, ?I feel shy of my Lord? (to go back and bargain any further.)

Was this Hadith, in addition to promoting ritualism, fabricated to prove the superiority of Moses a. s. over Muhammad (S) and enen God? Only an extremely gullible mind would accept this nonsensical story. (See Bukhari vol 1 Kitab-us-Salat pg 215 Hadith 339 for exact details)
So, neither Allah nor Rasool had any idea of human limitations. Had Moses not intervened, the Ummah would be praying a non-stop 24 hours day and night. Thank Moses a. s. for being the instructor of Allah and Rasool. Thank him for saving Islam from their blunder. What mockery! Think! Allah also said, ?These are five and these are fifty. I do not alter My Word.?
But the story has just begun. Let us see a little more closely what Hadith has to offer about teaching us NAMAZ.

Hazrat Anas said The Prophet (S) used to do a new Wudhu (ablution) for every Namaz. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 35)
Contradiction - Hazrat Ibn Abbas said Rasool (S) slept for a while ? went to the Masjid and prayed (?offered? Namaz) without Wudhu. (Bukhari, Kitabul Wudhu)
The Sahaba of Rasool (S) used to ?perform? Namaz without Wudhu after waking up from sleep. (Muslim with Fathil Mulhim pg 500)

Is Ghusl (bath) mandatory after intercourse?

Hazrat Usman said If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)
Bath becomes mandatory after penetration. (Muwatta pg 22)
Rasool (S) said When a man sits between the woman?s legs and pushes hard, Ghusl (bath) becomes mandatory with or without ejaculation. (Muslim vol 1 Bab-il-Wudhu pg 485)
Ubbi bin Ka?ab asked Rasoolullah (S), ?If a man engages in intercourse and withdraws before ejaculation, should he take bath?? He replied, ?He should do Wudhu and pray.?
Rasool (S) said, ?Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.? (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)
BUT ? Ibn Abbas says, ?Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.? (Same vol 1 pg 48
Hazrat Bilal was ordered to say two Takbeers in Azaan and one in Iqaamat. (Muslim vol 2 pg 2) Why do Muslims say two Takbeers in Iqaamat? There must be another Hadith contradicting this one.
When asked what to recite after Surah Fatihah in Namaz, Abu Hurairah said, ?Reciting any Surah is good but Al-Fatihah is sufficient.? (Muslim vol 2 pg 31) The Imams of FIQH maintain that Al-Fatihah is not sufficient.
Hazrat Umar used to recite ?Subhaanakallahumma ---? loudly. (Muslim vol 2 pg 3 The Imams tell us to recite it in the heart.
Hazrat Anas said, ?I prayed behind Rasoolullah, Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman. They used to begin Namaz with Al-Fatihah.? No Subhanakallahumma ---. (Muslim vol 2 pg 3
When the pulpit was built in Masjid Nabawi, the Rasool climbed on it, turned to the Qiblah, said Takbeer and people got arranged in columns. After recitation, he bowed on his knees, then came down, prostrated on the ground, then again climbed on the pulpit. He did bow (did rukoo?) again and then came down for prostration on the ground. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 53) What! Say that again.
Rasoolullah picked up his daughter Zainab?s little girl Amama and began praying. When he went into Sajdah (prostration) he placed her on the ground and when he got up, he picked her up again. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 69)
If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn?t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 6
But Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, ?I rode a she-ass to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)
Hazrat Sa?d bin Abi Waqaas used to pass from in front when the prayers was on. (Muwatta 55)
No harm is done to prayers if someone passes from in front. (Muwatta 55)
Rasoolullah said, ?The prayer is broken if a woman, a donkey or a dog come in front.? (Muslim vol 2 pg 111)

THE HADITHI PUNCH LINE CONTINUED AND DEMOLISHED!
AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS Do the 1.4 million Ahadith give us a complete, unified, method of NAMAZ (How to pray, ?perform? or ?offer NAMAZ? The answer is a resounding NO!

Hazrat Ayesha said, ?You (narrators) have made us donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I used to be lying in front on the rug while Rasoolullah prayed. (Muslim vol 2 pg 111)
Bukhari (Kitab-us-Salat, vol 1 pg 93) narrates four Ahadith that the Rasool (S) used to raise his hands up to the ears before bowing and also on rising from ?Attahayyaat --.? Why don?t the majority of Muslims do it?
Rasoolullah used to combine Zuhr, ?Asr, Maghrib and ?Isha prayers without duress or travel. (Muwatta 51, Muslim vol 2 pg 265) Why can't we do it? Because of other contradictory Ahadith and the Fuqaha, the 'Jurists'.
Mu?aawiyah bin Hakam was praying with Rasool (S). A praying one sneezed and I said the customary blessing, ?Yahamakallah?. The Rasool (S) told me after prayers, ?;Human words are not permissible during Salat.? (Muslim vol 2 pg 126)
BUT ? Once, the Satan came before Rasoolullah during Namaz and the Rasool (S) said three times, ?Allah?s curse upon you!? (Muslim vol 2 pg 131) Human words, how?s that? And how about depicting the ?Satan? as a physical entity rather than the Qur?anic ?selfish desire??
The Rasool (S) was praying ?Isha. After rising from rukoo? he said, ?O Allah! Have mercy on 'Ayyaash bin Abi Rabia?ah and other poor Muslims. Grasp the Al-Mudhar Tribe and send famine on them.? (Muslim vol 2 pg 236) Human words, aren't they? The exalted Prophet never prayed for infliction. He always prayed for guidance of people and wished well for all.
Rasoolullah never used to raise hands in prayers except when praying for rains. (Bukhari vol 1 page 125)
He always raised hands during any du'a. (References too many to point)
Rasoolullah used to offer prayers with shoes on. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 55)
Sahaba used to pray even when bleeding from an arrow. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 32, Ibn Majah, Muslim, Nisaai & many other sources)
Oozing of blood from anywhere in the body nullifies Wudhu or Salat. (Same sources and Fuqaha)
Hazrat Anas states that Rasool (S) used to pray the briefest complete Namaz. (Muslim vol 2 pg 86)
The Rasool (S) used to scold people who led long prayers. (Two Ahadith, Muslim vol 2 ppg 84, 85)
BUT, Hazrat Anas states that Rasool (S) stood still so long after bowing (rukoo?) that the watcher thought he forgot (to proceed). The same used to happen after Sajdah (prostration). (Muslim vol 2 pg 87)
Abu Saeed Khadri narrates Rasoolullah?s prayer used to be so long that supposing the noon prayer has begun. A man walks to the graveyard of Baqee?, comes back home, makes ablution and goes to the Masjid. And he finds him still leading the first raka?at (unit). (Muslim vol 2 pg 4

Then there are innumerable contradictions in what du?as the exalted Messenger used to recite and teach at each point in Namaz. (See Bukhari vol 1 ppg 99 to104, Muslim vol 2 ppg 43, 48, 90)
So, this is what the Hadith teaches us about Namaz

If you have been snoring in sleep, you need not do Wudhu. Sorry, you do need Wudhu.
Cooked food will break your ablution, but, the roasted goat won?t.
Bleeding does not spoil Wudhu or prayers. Sorry, it does.
If there is no ejaculation, bath is not necessary. Sorry, it is necessary.
You can combine the noon, afternoon, evening and night prayers. Sorry, you cannot.
Don?t lift your hands for du?a. Do lift your hands for du?a.
Before Rukoo?, raise your hands to the shoulders. No, don?t.
Pray two units after ?Asr. No, don?t.
You can pray with your child in your lap. You can?t do that (FIQH)
You can keep climbing up and down the stairs during Namaz. (No way! FIQH)
Only Al-Fatiha is enough for Namaz. Sorry, it?s not enough.
?Allahhumma? can be read aloud. No, it cannot be read aloud. But, you can pray without it. No, never! You can?t pray without it.
You may curse the Satan during Namaz and pray for others. No, never!
Say anything after At-Tahiyyat that you want. No, only say this and this.
Kill anyone passing in front of the Namazis, but leave alone Hazraat Abdullah Ibn Abbas and Saad bin Abi Waqas.
If a woman, donkey, or dog passes from in front, the Namaz is broken. But if your wife is lying down on your prayer rug right in front, never mind.

So, this is the Salat or Namaz of Hadith. Can you pray at all according to Hadith? You claim Hadith tells you the method of Namaz. Then, which is the greater riddle; Hadith or your excellency?! ?

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unknownuser

The standard answer to that question is "salat is part of the sunnah of the prophet". But hey, when "sunnah" is synonymous with "bukhari"...

Wakas

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Abu_GG

Are you guys really THAT ignorant about the sciences of hadeeth?

unknownuser

Are you guys really THAT ignorant about the sciences of hadeeth?

Do tell.

Abu_GG

Not at the moment I'm drinking tea.

unknownuser

I prefer the sciences of the Quran, anyway.

Twilight

Regarding those contradictions in the hadith, according to sunnis I've spoken to all the contradictions are not really so. They can be explained away, but only scholars and learned people know how. Which is why you have to study with them for years and years. It's such a long process The Quran needs to be explained by the hadith because it is not enough to be understood by itself, which in turn are so vague and contradictory which is why you have sheikhs/maulanas/muftis to explain them. I'm wondering then, doesn't that mean that the prophet didn't do his job well enough, if according to sunni's he was sent to explain the Quran? Oh also, does anyone know if sunnis and shias pray in the same way or not?

I find it confusing how Allah would explain the washing (wusu) in the Quran and give the salaat times too, but not 'how to' pray. It forces me to consider that perhaps salaat really is given in the Quran but we've just to find it and understand it (as many are doing here). It's pretty tough when you've been taught all your life that salaat is done in a very specific way with details down to how one's feet should be placed.

Salaam Abu GG, using the Quran can you please support your argument (not in this thread) that hadith external to the Quran are needed for our salvation? Thanks.

unknownuser

Regarding those contradictions in the hadith, according to sunnis I've spoken to all the contradictions are not really so. They can be explained away, but only scholars and learned people know how. Which is why you have to study with them for years and years. It's such a long process The Quran needs to be explained by the hadith because it is not enough to be understood by itself, which in turn are so vague and contradictory which is why you have sheikhs/maulanas/muftis to explain them. I'm wondering then, doesn't that mean that the prophet didn't do his job well enough, if according to sunni's he was sent to explain the Quran? Oh also, does anyone know if sunnis and shias pray in the same way or not?

The "explanations" are pretty thinly veiled. Look at the "Sun prostrating under Allah's throne" hadith & its explanations.

ade_cool

Shahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 230

Narrated Al-Mughira

The Prophet used to stand (in the prayer) or pray till both his feet or legs swelled. He was asked why (he offered such an unbearable prayer) and he said, "should I not be a thankful slave."

That is how the prophet allegedly prayed but as we all can witness, sunnis and shias don't pray that way.

ade_cool

Oh also, does anyone know if sunnis and shias pray in the same way or not?

Sunnis and shias don't pray the same way. When shias pray, they don't cross their hand on their chest while sunnis do.

Interestingly, both sunnis and shias claim that their prayer is the same as that of the prophet. Whose claim is correct???

Another difference is shias pray using turba.

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ade_cool

Shahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Number 798

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

I saw Allah's Apostle prostrating in mud and water and saw the mark of mud on his forehead.

I also never see sunnis and shias praying like the prophet as per the sunnah above ;D

Twilight

Sunnis and shias don't pray the same way. When shias pray, they don't cross their hand on their chest while sunnis do.

Interestingly, both sunnis and shias claim that their prayer is the same as that of the prophet. Whose claim is correct???

Another difference is shias pray using turba.

This is what I thought. If they both claim that the prayer is detailed in the hadith then why do they differ? The same thing bugs me with the idea of muta marriage. Why don't sunni's accept those hadith which make it a legal activity? Because 'they're not authentic hadith'. Their hypocrisy makes me itchy.

ade_cool

This is what I thought. If they both claim that the prayer is detailed in the hadith then why do they differ?

Exactly ...exactly brother twilight

The thing is there is no such thing as "the prayer is detailed in hadith". Unless and until I see sunnis and shias pray as per hadiths I already posted in this thread then their claim will only expose their hypocrisy (they claim the prayer is detailed in hadith but when the details are shown to them they do not follow!).

The same thing bugs me with the idea of muta marriage. Why don't sunni's accept those hadith which make it a legal activity? Because 'they're not authentic hadith'. Their hypocrisy makes me itchy.

Some weeks back I had a discussion regarding muta marriage. Some sunnis were mocking muta as "legalized fornication" and they ridiculed a shia brother because he accepts muta. Then I reminded those sunnis not to ridicule muta unless they reject muta hadiths completely. I explained to them that accepting muta hadiths and at the same time saying muta = "legalized fornication" is the same as saying that the prophet had legalized fornication.

jankren

Is there Sunni hadiths which acceot Mutah?

unknownuser

Muslim

Book 008, Number 3243

Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and 'Abdullah then recited this verse 'Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers" (al-Qur'an, v. 87).

Book 008, Number 3247

Salama b. al. Akwa' and Jabir b. Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to us and permitted us to contract temporary marriage.

Book 008, Number 3248

Ibn Uraij reported 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar.

Want more?

jankren

Rasul Hamsa the Hadith Hunter once again has presented the truth.
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Alen

Salam.

Brother Arnold wrote excellent post here, i will, God willing, show them to some of these guys here and i can't hardly wait to see the reaction, because they keep saying that all of you people here are trying very hard to destroy Islam. rotfl

God willing, i will show them Arnold's article.
May The Exalted God The Most Powerful reward you with Heaven.

Peace.