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Why do you believe in God?

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved What is the nature of God?
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    unknownuser
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    Peace opf, all

    where is the intelligence in letting old men be able to conceive kids and then leave them to grow up alone ?

    but well, this doesn't keep me from believing in god. as to why, there is no way i can convey it. just something i feel, sometimes stronger , sometimes weaker. feel it best when alone in nature, or at dawn and dusk. Connection ?

    lk

    Without artificial aids?

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      Elke
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      Connection or conception ?

      peace
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        amuslim
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        Peace to all

        From a skeptics point, one could say because I was programmed to believe in God. Grew up in a Christian family, therefore thats why I believe in God. Then I could also say its because I had Muslim friends and used to hang around them all the time. Therefore the core belief of a God still stayed, if not stronger.

        My own personal reasoning as far as I can tell is that I naturally believe in God. Like mentioned before, watching documentaries of life as it is, life, proves to me that there is God. Again, one can say, well humans create life already. Who knows in 100 to 200 years we can make lightning, terraform planets, etc. For me, the difference is that God creates things out of nothing. We create things out of things that we already have which was created by God. No matter how far our technology becomes, artificial life, mutants, giants, creating suns/blackholes, etc. we are still dependant on what God has given us. Without God, we would have nothing.

        The main question for me is that if God exists (bad word but used it anyway, since I dont believe God "exists&quot, what came before God? We cant grasp eternity or anything without a beginning, we are limited. Even if this were to work to disprove God, then the question would keep on coming up on who created God, and who created that god, etc. God is everything yet nothing at the same time to me. Confusing to most, but thats the best I can explain it. God is more then a being/force/etc. all these are created by God and serve Him/Her/It.

        Peace

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          Zidane
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          About the problem of "so who created God?". I came to think about this issue some time ago but never had time to write it fully down somewhere, I'll try here. I am also a skeptic, otherwise I won't be sincere my understandings.

          All things we see are forced to be under so many laws - gravity, energy, the positively charged particle attract the negative but repel other positively charged particles, atomic numbers, humans need water, matter needs space, things need "time" to happen, the birds need the laws of air and so many other laws to "fly" as we see. etc. Being forced under a law means under an enforcing power - the same law everywhere - "natural laws" - the same enforcer - "nature" - the same definition with "God".

          Now, from Thom's Law

          IF THERE WERE EVER A TIME WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING,
          THERE WOULD STILL BE NOTHING.
          NOTHING CANNOT PRODUCE SOMETHING.

          Now, there are many SOMETHING we see now, so there should've always been SOMETHING.

          Now, it's the definition of "nature" to be the first something = the thing that is already and has always existed - this thing that is the cause of all "natural" laws (as in my previous post). If something created it, then it is not the true "nature" (because "nature" = the thing that is already there) - because there were laws set upon it by its creator. After I took time to think about that, I understand now that the true frist something/nature/force is the only thing that made laws for all other things but nothing made laws on it or created it. The uncaused cause of all. If it was causesd, it wasn't true "nature".

          Therefore, "Nature" = "God" = "The one that always exists".

          Therefore, Nature is not trees of animals because there are so many laws on them - growth/death/time/space/etc - Nature is the thing that is already there that initiated/enforced all others.

          Therefore, "Nature" = "God" = "The one that always exists". That's why it's the only true power and source of law/purpose of all things after it - the universe.

          Therefore, to me, the question "who created God?" is answered here. God = Nature = the thing that is already there, it can't be created otherwise it isn't God/Nature.

          Therefore, for the question "who created God", I'd say the answer is the same to "who created Nature" - it's the same question.

          May God Guide.

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            Lost_Philosopher
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            I have asked myself this question before, and have never come to a single conclusion. God seems to be like The Greatest Philosopher, yet whos own existance is a paradox. God is the question and the awnser, the loophole in unbreakable laws. I look back at the philosophical laws of existance I've made, and God defies all of them. I dont have any reason to believe in God except in fear, fear of death and whats beyond it.

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              Navid
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              If one believes that God created the universe (which had to have happened), then the question "what created God?" is ridiculous because it implies time, a universal law. I hope all can see the circular reasoning within this.

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                ayani
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                hey Argento

                the clearest answer i can think to give is actually a message i graffiti'ed on a wall a few weeks ago after fajr.

                "God is most great surely our heart's longing for Him is a clear sign of His existence."

                i know of many folks who have come to believe in God / Allah because of personal revelation or epiphany, and this is my case, as well.

                http//bahiyya06.blogspot.com/2007/05/root-verse-interconnectedness.html
                http//bahiyya06.blogspot.com/2007/09/tacto-del-ms-alto-los-signos.html

                i believe that God exists because the human heart so clearly longs to understand something of Him. it seems that seeking after Al-Haqq is an intricate, ingrained part of most people's lives on some level, and i believe that must come from somewhere, a response to something outside of us. and i believe that God responds to those who seek Him with the blessing of intimacy and clear signs, as the Quran says.

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                  Wakas
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                  peace ayani, all,

                  i believe that God exists because the human heart so clearly longs to understand something of Him. it seems that seeking after Al-Haqq is an intricate, ingrained part of most people's lives on some level, and i believe that must come from somewhere, a response to something outside of us. and i believe that God responds to those who seek Him with the blessing of intimacy and clear signs, as the Quran says.

                  Nicely put. It is like the question "if I thirst, does this mean a thirst-quenching drink (e.g. water) exists?"
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8013.0

                  Two of my favourite signs 4153 & 3030

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    SatanHatesMe
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                    Why do I know God exist, because we exist. The awareness of one's own existence testifies to the existence of God.

                    Honestly once one has awareness, than they have evidence of God. Because awareness can never be accidental.

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                      SatanHatesMe
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                      And to elaborate, technically we are flooded with evidence of GOD existence and his attributes.

                      The real issue human beings have is linkage of that evidence with a message. For example, all human are aware of a GOD, but they may not believe that the Bible, Koran, Prophets, etc etc is from THAT SAME God, and therefore disbelieve in God altogether.

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                        ayani
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                        And to elaborate, technically we are flooded with evidence of GOD existence and his attributes.

                        The real issue human beings have is linkage of that evidence with a message. For example, all human are aware of a GOD, but they may not believe that the Bible, Koran, Prophets, etc etc is from THAT SAME God, and therefore disbelieve in God altogether.

                        cool. i think i'd agree with that. it seems we all believe, on some level, in what they call in AA a "higher power". many, many people i've talked to believe in God, but refuse to label the Being they believe in as such.

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                          peace4life
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                          For anything to be created, there has to be a creator.

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                            Daud-19
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                            I believe in God because HE proved Himself to me, when I went on my Quest to find Him...

                            There is a sura that declares that if you want God to prove Himself to you, cut all your support and ties to everything
                            and depend on Him Alone and then He will turn and prove Himself to you...

                            This works, I am a witness, cause I did this...

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                              ayani
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                              I believe in God because HE proved Himself to me, when I went on my Quest to find Him...

                              There is a sura that declares that if you want God to prove Himself to you, cut all your support and ties to everything
                              and depend on Him Alone and then He will turn and prove Himself to you...

                              This works, I am a witness, cause I did this...

                              masha'allah, Daud. yay

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                                huruf
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                                I can't help it. I have changed religion, but I always have believed in God. I cannot not believe even if I wanted to, which I don't.

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                                  ayani
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                                  I can't help it. I have changed religion, but I always have believed in God. I cannot not believe even if I wanted to, which I don't.

                                  i feel similarly. "God is most great- surely our hearts' longing for Him is a clear sign of His existence".

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                                    I refuse to believe that all living things in this world just happened, came into being, or evolved. For every creature there is a counterpart. Every creature has been perfectly designed to survive in this world. For me there is no way this could have just happened by itself.

                                    peace,
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                                      pvb
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                                      I've seen HIS handiwork.

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                                        agentxxx
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                                        Peace all,

                                        Man has an innate nature to seek for his Creator. While seeking for his Creator, anything that was very powerful, enormous, or unusual, drew his attention and he worshipped them. He even worshipped fellow human beings who were gifted with special abilities by God.

                                        Everything we see around us has been created by someone. The houses, cars, TV, radios etc. did not come into existence by themselves. Although we do not know the individuals who assembled them, we know for sure that human hands are behind their creation.

                                        Each human cell performs hundreds of thousands of complex chemical reactions every day for its proper function and exact reproduction. All tissues and organs in the body are regulated by biological laws set forth for them. The brain does not perform the function of heart and the heart does not perform the function of kidney. The complex and intimate relationships between the organs are precise and governed by fundamental laws. We may utilize these laws, already set forth for them, to our advantage, but in no way can we alter these fundamental laws.

                                        We see the apparent lifeless seeds grow into plants with life. Again we see plants and animals, full with life, made into lifeless materials. We also observe the vast universe, its grand design, the superb organization, and its precise and flawless functions. Did all these come into existence and continue to exist by themselves? Basic human intelligence will tell us that there is a Creator who brought into existence each and everything around us and beyond.

                                        peace

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                                          abrar
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                                          Peace,

                                          If there were no God then human suffering, sacrifices and morality would become pointless. The feeling of injustice would be so dominant among the poor, victims of crimes and diseased people that they would completely feel hopeless only because they were simply unlucky and would never get any compensation for their suffering. It would force such people to make suicide that only the healthy, rich and powerful have the right to pleasure and joy. Belief in God gives hope to those who have suffered and sacrificed all their life that their work would not go in vain. This makes my faith in God strong that ultimately all people that suuffered for no crime would be compensated by a Just God after death. Even if a person has lived a very successful life and knows in a few days he is going to die then he feels hopeless that he is leaving behind all joys of life forever and would never get compensated for the good work that he strived so hard all his life if he does not believe in God.
                                          Believing In God makes the purpose of my life meaningful and satisfying. It gives me hope, courage, happiness and tranquility and makes me not regret about anything that is not my fault.

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