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    unknownuser
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    Peace be upon you,

    The focal point is always towards the "masjid al haraam", what is "masjid al haraam"?

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      SwedenMajidah
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      Peace Kyle,

      What is masjid al haram? Well for me as I have understood it and especially when it is addressed like that"turn always towards masjid al haram"
      it is likely an inner masjid because if you have it inside you it doesn't matter what direction you turn.

      Peace Maria

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        unknownuser
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        Enough talk about "masjid al-haram", we need to talk about "siratul mustaqim". ;D

        http//img509.imageshack.us/img509/9325/cccak3.jpg

        Where is it? ???

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          ignoramus
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          Enough talk about "masjid al-haram", we need to talk about "siratul mustaqim". ;D

          Where is it? ???

          salam

          what is more pertinent than where.

          you will see al Masjid al Haram when you pass along it.

          salam

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            SwedenMajidah
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            Salam,

            Hehe good reply ignoramus

            Maria

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              AaRoN
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              i already told you god is the focal point! am i talking to myself here?

              maybe i need to start out my posts with "aaron says" and then follow it by the incorrect punctuation mark P

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                Allen
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                salam

                iv) i have been saying that he famous place in mecca is today widely believed to be al Masjd al Haram, and that it seems to have been known as such for some time in history. i do not know whether this belief goes back to the time of revelation of the Quran, or if this is a recent innovation. you are contending that the famous place in mecca only came to be perceived as la Masjid al Haram some time later than revelation, but you cannot give any reason when or why or how this came to be. hence, there IS some evidence (albeit miniscule) that the famous mosque in mecca is al Masjid al Haram.

                bravo rotfl rotfl

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                  ignoramus
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                  salam brothers and sisters

                  it would be interesting to know interpretations of 2191 from a non-physical al Masjid al Haram standpoint.

                  thank you.

                  salam

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                    unknownuser
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                    salam

                    what is more pertinent than where.

                    you will see al Masjid al Haram when you pass along it.

                    salam

                    That wasn't an answer, all it did was shift the burden of proof.

                    So, where is the Straight Path? Is it the line in yellow in the picture?

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                      ignoramus
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                      That wasn't an answer, all it did was shift the burden of proof.

                      So, where is the Straight Path? Is it the line in yellow in the picture?

                      salam

                      i am sorry but i do not understand exactly what you are asking.

                      do you really think siratal mustaqim is a physical thing?

                      salam

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                        AlFajr
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                        Peace All,

                        I would like to put forward some evidence that indicate that Jerusalem may be the pilgrimadge destination.

                        From http//archnet.org/library/sites/one-site.jsp?site_id=41

                        • http//archnet.org/library/documents/one-document.jsp?document_id=5204

                        • http//archnet.org/library/documents/one-document.jsp?document_id=8966

                        • http//archnet.org/library/documents/one-document.jsp?document_id=5196

                        • http//archnet.org/library/documents/one-document.jsp?document_id=3599

                        • http//archnet.org/library/documents/one-document.jsp?document_id=3608

                        • http//archnet.org/library/documents/one-document.jsp?document_id=3609

                        Others
                        http//www.geocities.com/noorullahwebsite/shift.html

                        Salaam

                        Al

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                          SwedenMajidah
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                          Peace,

                          I doubt that there are some special ancient place to go to pilgrim to.

                          Why and what for?

                          I rather think that hajj=debate will take place during the sacred months every year within an islamic community.

                          So we have to create this islamic community before we can have any debates then I suppose .

                          Peace
                          Maria

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                            ignoramus
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                            Peace,

                            I doubt that there are some special ancient place to go to pilgrim to.

                            Why and what for?

                            I rather think that hajj=debate will take place during the sacred months every year within an islamic community.

                            So we have to create this islamic community before we can have any debates then I suppose .

                            Peace
                            Maria

                            salam sister

                            i think there are a numer of other threads regarding Hajj; i would hope we can focus of the focal point in this one, otherwise the thread could lose momentum and become confusing

                            salam

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                              unknownuser
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                              salam

                              i am sorry but i do not understand exactly what you are asking.

                              do you really think siratal mustaqim is a physical thing?

                              salam

                              Why not? "Kaaba" is, maqam ibrahim is, "masjid al-haram" is, "masjid al aqsa" is. So, you must take the straight path to get the the sacred mosque. Not a curved path.

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                                ignoramus
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                                Why not? "Kaaba" is, maqam ibrahim is, "masjid al-haram" is, "masjid al aqsa" is. So, you must take the straight path to get the the sacred mosque. Not a curved path.

                                salam

                                no reason why you should not think that way, i was only surprised because you are the first person i know to suggest it, and i disagree.

                                salam

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                                  Jack
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                                  peace,

                                  this one was such an awesome discussion at one point, another verse to take into account

                                  396

                                  Khalifa
                                  The most important shrine established for the people is the one in Becca; a blessed beacon for all the people.
                                  Yusuf Ali
                                  The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings
                                  "Progressive Muslims"
                                  The first Shrine established for the people is the one in Bakk'a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.

                                  http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat3_files/3_96.gif

                                  Sorry ignoramus if i am steering this towards a wrong direction peace

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                                    warner
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                                    Salaam

                                    Why does Qibla have to mean focal point ,convening point or direction of prayer ? None of these meanings have any support from the Quran.

                                    It certainly means something else , we have not been searching hard enough.

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                                      Jack
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                                      Peace,

                                      Why does Qibla have to mean focal point ,convening point or direction of prayer ? None of these meanings have any support from the Quran.

                                      It doesn't have to, but let's cross-reference it, shall we?

                                      qiblah n.f. 2142, 2143, 2144, 2145, 2145, 2145, 1087

                                      http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                                      LL, V8, p 237, 238

                                      EDIT

                                      It's definitely a direction and 1087 is very intriguing and should be looked into more as well. And it definitely seems like a physical direction.

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                                        warner
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                                        Peace,

                                        It doesn't have to, but let's cross-reference it, shall we?

                                        qiblah n.f. 2142, 2143, 2144, 2145, 2145, 2145, 1087

                                        http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                                        LL, V8, p 237, 238

                                        EDIT

                                        It's definitely a direction and 1087 is very intriguing and should be looked into more as well. And it definitely seems like a physical direction.

                                        Peace

                                        1087 is a verse with various interpretations. 1087 can mean "in front" , "Before" or "opposite side" with almost the same meaning. There are more than 300 uses of this root in the Quran.

                                        When you cross refer do not limit yourself with a traditional translation.

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                                          ignoramus
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                                          Peace

                                          1087 is a verse with various interpretations. 1087 can mean "in front" , "Before" or "opposite side" with almost the same meaning. There are more than 300 uses of this root in the Quran.

                                          When you cross refer do not limit yourself with a traditional translation.

                                          salam

                                          can you suggest a better interpretation of 1087?

                                          salam

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