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Who is Zaid in this Aya??

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    Leoxyz
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    Adopted son of the Holy Prophet? <Bukhari & Co>

    Are you a traditionalist?
    Don't you know that quoting a hadith on this forum ,cannot be digested ??
    Please anyone from Quranic source which is fully detailed.

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      TheNabi
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      Peace Leoxyz

      Who is Zaid in this Aya??

      An example of marital rules.

      Joe

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        unknownuser
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        Please anyone from Quranic source which is fully detailed.

        I think you have just exposed the quranists. yay IF quran is fully detailed as falsely claimed by quranists then where is the biography of Zaid in quran???

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          AlFajr
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          Peace Leoxyz,
          That verse you quoted has adopted in it.

          Salaam
          Al

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            unknownuser
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            I think you have just exposed the quranists. yay IF quran is fully detailed as falsely claimed by quranists then where is the biography of Zaid in quran???

            And how did he cook Pizza? Did he do it with his left hand or right hand?

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              TheNabi
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              Peace

              Those things, I think, are really insignificant if you're seeking enlightenment.

              Joe

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                unknownuser
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                And how did he cook Pizza? Did he do it with his left hand or right hand?

                He was a messenger not a cook! please don't ask such question we have no answer for!

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                  Leoxyz
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                  He was a messenger not a cook! please don't ask such question we have no answer for!

                  Dear
                  Deen = Quran + Sunna

                  To destroy sunna = Mock the Prophet + Reject his teachings

                  To Eliminate the Quran = Tamper its meanings

                  so simple modus operandi
                  Result = obvious

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                    unknownuser
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                    Nonsense kills when become divine.

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                      Leoxyz
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                      Nonsense kills when become divine.

                      A Great Quranist takes the help of Hadith to explain this Aya
                      Exposition by G.A.Pervaiz

                      "37 (It should be well understood that, although the decisions are pronounced by the Rasool, in reality the obedience is that of the Divine System. However this does not mean disobedience to the Rasool ~ 378 ~ as you have the right to differ or disagree with the personal suggestions of the Rasool or his advice. This in no way would mean the disobedience to Allah and His Rasool. In this connection the episode of Zaid sets forth an explicit example.)

                      He (Zaid) was a person upon whom Allah had conferred grace; and (O Rasool) you too had extended personal favours. It was to him that you were advising, "Keep your wife in wedlock and in this way maintain a relationship which has been established according to the Divine Law. (Tolerate any petty differences you may have; and if there is something serious, then speak about it openly as hiding it will be of no use.) If you hide it in your heart, it will have to be explained later (at the time of divorce) as per the requirements of Divine Law. Do not have fears about people (as to what they would say) for you have to only fear Allah (ensuring that His Laws are not violated).?

                      Zaid did not accept your advice and after he divorced his wife, you married her according to the Divine Law (so that she could be consoled of the shock she received). Earlier we had revealed clear verses that an adopted son does not become a real one (334). Marrying the wife of a real son is not permitted (423). However there is no blame in marrying the divorced wife of an adopted son; and therefore this action of the Rasool was in accordance with the Divine Laws.

                      (This episode clearly brings out two issues. Firstly, only the decisions of the Rasool which are binding are those which he makes in his capacity as Allah's Rasool. As such, one can differ with his personal advice. Secondly, adopted sons do not become real sons.)"

                      The Holy Quran warns
                      244

                      613

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                        Samia
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                        "Zaid" is an imaginary name to "anybody". The verse is applied to anyone, not necessarily those named "Zaid". Otherwise, we make the verse very specific.

                        Arabs say 3amr, Zaid for individuals, when giving examples, as in Daaraba zaidun 3amra example for subject and direct object; or Zaid and 3ubaid for a group as in I do not care for zaid or 3ubaid I care for no one.

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                          Leoxyz
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                          "Zaid" is an imaginary name to "anybody". The verse is applied to anyone, not necessarily those named "Zaid". Otherwise, we make the verse very specific.

                          Arabs say 3amr, Zaid for individuals, when giving examples, as in Daaraba zaidun 3amra example for subject and direct object; or Zaid and 3ubaid for a group as in I do not care for zaid or 3ubaid I care for no one.

                          Such examples have been used for other names also
                          -Muhammad
                          -Umar
                          So these names and characters are also imaginary
                          Right ???
                          brickwall brickwall
                          Zaid was adopted son of the Holy Prophet as G.A pervaiz has accepted.I have given his version.

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                            Samia
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                            Such examples have been used for other names also
                            -Muhammad
                            -Umar

                            Where?

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                              Leoxyz
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                              Where?

                              Please pick up " " you will get many such examples.
                              Reference same book as above for "primary schools ,part III ,page 151 under discussion of 'conjunctions (waw ul Ataf and waw ul maiyyah"
                              Names used in examples are ;
                              Muhammad
                              Ahmad
                              Hasan
                              Ibrahim
                              Khalid

                              Page 161
                              In two examples " Ali " is used

                              Please also look into 'A grammar of Arabic language by W.Wright volume II page 255 Edition 2004

                              the name "umar " is used in four examples.

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                                Samia
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                                hehehehe...

                                That's not what I was talking about. I said "Arabs", meaning in classical dictionaries and old books of grammar (time-wise).

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                                  Leoxyz
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                                  hehehehe...

                                  That's not what I was talking about. I said "Arabs", meaning in classical dictionaries and old books of grammar (time-wise).

                                  So you want to say
                                  If some name is used in "examples" ,then it is a sure proof ,that any person of that name never existed as companion of the Holy Prophet ??
                                  brickwall brickwall

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                                    nadeem
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                                    Peace Sis Samia,

                                    So what you're saying is that Zaid is to Arabic as John Doe is to english?

                                    Nadeem

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                                      Samia
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                                      Peace Sis Samia,

                                      So what you're saying is that Zaid is to Arabic as John Doe is to english?

                                      Nadeem

                                      Yes, it is (John Smith, I think)

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                                        arnoldyasin
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                                        QXP

                                        3337 (In personal matters you may respectfully disagree with
                                        Muhammad in the capacity of a human being 379. As an example)
                                        Recall that you did tell the one to whom God had blessed and you had
                                        blessed, Hold on to your wife and be mindful of God. You seek to
                                        conceal within yourself what God intends to reveal. You fear people
                                        whereas it is more appropriate to fear God. But when he had observed
                                        all the rules and divorced her, We gave her to one of you in marriage, so
                                        that henceforth there may be no blame on the believers in respect of
                                        spouses of their adopted children when they have come to the
                                        dissolution of their union. The commandment of God must be fulfilled.

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                                          Samia
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                                          Thanks Yasin.

                                          That was the reason why I suspect it to be a proper name. Much more important personalities were not mentioned by name in the qur'aan.

                                          So it is John Doe not John Smith? Maybe John Smith is the UK Zaid ;D

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