Are the Quran aloners hurting the refomist cause?
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I think the reformists are hurting the Quran, not the other way round, thank you very much. Much are responsible for tampering
Believers are told not to indulge in hearsay, conjecture, and baseless hadeeth, and they are challenged as to which hadeeth they will believe after God's revelations. Nothing more to be said.
Islam needs no reform, people simply need to pay attention to the Quran and heed the warnings given. I say reformists themselves are twisting the Quran to their Western liberal idealogy, vs the deeply rooted conservatism of the East.
2177 - It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
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Peace
Absolutely right those are
Deen = Quran + Sunna
The corrrect methodology is not to reject each and every Hadith.
No doubt Hadith books have a lot of weak and fabricated Hadiths also i.e Stones mixed with Pearls.
Whole stuff should not be thrown or rejected.Rather need is to separate true from false stuff.Denial of obedience of Prophet PBUH is denial of Quran
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(332) Say 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger.459
(459) Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority; and then if you were to dispute among yourselves about anything refer it to Allah and the Messenger *89 if you indeed believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is better and more commendable in the end.I agree with that. However, how are you not a sunni if you follow Sunna? Or are you just saying you're not a Sunni like Quran Aloners just say they are Muslim?
Peace
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I think the reformists are hurting the Quran, not the other way round, thank you very much. Much are responsible for tampering )
Believers are told not to indulge in hearsay, conjecture, and baseless hadeeth, and they are challenged as to which hadeeth they will believe after God's revelations. Nothing more to be said.
Islam needs no reform, people simply need to pay attention to the Quran and heed the warnings given. I say reformists themselves are twisting the Quran to their Western liberal idealogy, vs the deeply rooted conservatism of the East.
2177 - It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
Quranists aer also tampering the Quran .Then what is the difference?
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Quranists aer also tampering the Quran .Then what is the difference?
I agree. I do not agree with "Quranists" either.
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Peace
I agree with that. However, how are you not a sunni if you follow Sunna? Or are you just saying you're not a Sunni like Quran Aloners just say they are Muslim?
Peace
I know only that I am a muslim.Nothing else. Those who use these terms ,they know better about them.
According to Quran there are primarily groups;
Muslims
Kafir
Munafiqin are in between (you can say categorically on face value)I know this much
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(332) Say 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger. -
I kindly suggest everyone reread sura 77 (especially the last verse, 7750). Very interesting. I'd like to hear leo's or hussein's thoughts on this.
Dear very true
This is what I have been crying that whatever Quran says ."Believe and follow" e.g Quran says332
(332) Say 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger.3132
(3132) And obey Allah and the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.459
(459) Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority; and then if you were to dispute among yourselves about anything refer it to Allah and the Messenger *89 if you indeed believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is better and more commendable in the end
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(2454) Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, you should note it well that the Messenger is responsible for the duty entrusted to him and you are responsible for the duty entrusted to you. If you obey him, you will be rightly guided, for the responsibility of the Messenger is only to convey the Message clearly to you.469
(469) And he who obeys Allah and the Messenger -they shall be with those whom Allah has favoured -the Prophets, those steadfast in truthfulness *99, the martyrs, and the righteous." How excellent will they be for companions!464
(464) (And tell them that) We never sent a Messenger but that he should be obeyed by the leave of Allah. *94 If whenever they wronged themselves they had come to you praying to Allah for forgiveness, and had the Messenger prayed for their forgiveness, they would indeed have found Allah All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate480
(480) He who obeys the Messenger thereby obeys Allah; as for he who turns away, We have not sent you as a keeper over them!414
(414) And he who disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses the bounds set by Him - him shall Allah cause to enter the Fire. There he will abide. A humiliating chastisement awaits him.3336
(3336) It *65 does not behove a believing man and a believing woman that when Allah and His Messenger have given their decision in a matter, they should exercise an option in that matter of theirs; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Prophet, has indeed strayed into manifest error7223
(7223) My mission is only to convey what I receive from Him and His messages. *22 Now whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger for him awaits the fire of Hell such people shall dwell in it for ever.813
(813) This is because they defied Allah and His Messenger. Whoever defies Allah and His Messenger must know that Allah is severe in punishment.963
(963) Do they not know that whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger shall have the Fire of Hell for him wherein he shall abide for ever? This is a great ignominy.2456
(2456) Therefore, establish Salat, pay the Zakat dues and obey the Messenger; it is expected that you will be shown mercy4115
(4115) As for him who sets himself against the Messenger and follows a path other than that of the believers even after true guidance had become clear to him, We will let him go to the way he has turned to, *143 and We will cast him into Hell - an evil destination.533
(533) He does not speak of his own desire;534
(534) it is but a Revelation which is sent down to him331
(331) (O Messenger!) Tell people 'If you indeed love Allah, follow me, and Allah will love you and will forgive you your sins. Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.'332
(332) Say 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger.3164
(3164) Surely Allah conferred a great favour on the believers when He raised from among them a Messenger to recite to them His signs, and to purify them, and to teach them the Book and Wisdom. For before that they were in manifest error. -
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Wouldn't the conclusion be that the messenger isn't always referring to Muhammad, hence "messenger"
Or am I wrong?
Before going to other questionsPlease clear what I understood.
I repeat the question
You saidNo just the impossible verses cannot be done.
I asked you
Now you are on the right path;
Probably you want to say that the verse
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is possible to carry out nowadays?
Am I correct to understand you ?Please answer this question then we will move to other questions so that material is settled in an organized manner.
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Salaam Navid,
Thank you for presenting those verses. But could you tell me your thoughts on 7750, especially in the context of the rest of sura 77?
7750
Correct, you are supposed to have Iman= safety and trust in the Qur'an. That same Qur'an tells you to have Iman= safety and trust in the messenger and to obey him in so many occasions. If you have true Iman in the Qur'an then you follow what it says and not manipulate it as you are trying to imply.
Take care and have a great day.
Hussein
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Salaam Navid,
Correct, you are supposed to have Iman= safety and trust in the Qur'an. That same Qur'an tells you to have Iman= safety and trust in the messenger and to obey him in so many occasions. If you have true Iman in the Qur'an then you follow what it says and not manipulate it as you are trying to imply.Take care and have a great day.
Hussein
You are correct, if you have iman in the Quran you will not need to resort to hearing hearsay and conjecture about hearsay.