Sun orbits the galaxy?
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Can anybody tell us why we are supposed to think that the Quran tells us the sun orbits the galaxy and not the earth? Why should we think that in the case of the moon, it's telling us about an orbit around the earth, but in the case of the sun, it's telling us about an orbit around the galaxy? Why shouldn't we think it's also telling us that the moon orbits the galaxy as well? Why shouldn't we think it's telling us that the sun orbits the earth as well? No good reason. In fact, it even goes out of it's way to tell us how Allah prevents the two from catching up to or outstripping each other. This need only be mentioned in a situation where two things were doing two different orbits in the same general space (around the earth). If one was orbiting the earth and the other the galaxy, this would not need be mentioned. But it was mentioned because the Quran was talking about both the moon and sun orbiting the earth, just like everybody else in the 7th century thought.
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Peace,
The verb applied to both of the object is "JaRaa" (to flow). However, the verb draws on its subject and the meaning is formed thereafter. For example "Jarati al-shamsu" "The sun pursued its course". Therefore, when the verb is applied to both the sun and the moon it doesn't denote a single direction to both, but a direction for each according to its nature.
See http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000051.pdf
Nadeem
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Peace,
The verb applied to both of the object is "JaRaa" (to flow).
OK, flowing is moving.
However, the verb draws on its subject and the meaning is formed thereafter. For example "Jarati al-shamsu" "The sun pursued its course". Therefore, when the verb is applied to both the sun and the moon it doesn't denote a single direction to both, but a direction for each according to its nature.
I didn't say it applied a single direction to both. I said it said that both were doing their movements around the same thing. The earth. And it indeed is clear that they travel a rounded course. I don't know why you would argue about that part because that's the only part of the verses that is true. Both indeed do an orbit. One around the earth, and the other around a galaxy. Would you rather say that the sun and moon travel in a straight course? So I don't know what you are trying to do here.
Just to be perfectly, perfectly clear. I am saying that the Quran says the two travel in two different orbits around the same thing, and this is why Allah must prevent them from outstripping each other or overtaking each other. Allah wouldn't need to prevent that from happening if the Quran was talking about the sun orbiting the galaxy and the moon orbiting the earth, and the statement itself would become meaningless. But the statement becomes very important and meaningful if we believe it was talking about both doing their separate orbits around the same general area, the earth, because clearly then, it would indeed be possible for one to outstrip the other, which is why it would tell us that Allah prevents this from happening, or otherwise it would happen.
What finally makes this most convincing is the fact that it matches the common beliefs of Muhammad's time. Everybody observed a moon and sun moving in a circle, or at least a semi circle, around them, that repeated every day. So no stretch has to be made in order to understand how the Quran could say this. It was merely incorporating the common mistaken notions of it's time. Very simple.
I think the hadiths summed it up pretty well and gave us a more detailed understanding.
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Narrated Abu Dharr
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah ?And the sun Runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.?" (36.3Volume 9, Book 93, Number 520
Narrated Abu Dharr
I entered the mosque while Allah's Apostle was sitting there. When the sun had set, the Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "It goes and asks permission to prostrate, and it is allowed, and (one day) it, as if being ordered to return whence it came, then it will rise from the west." Then the Prophet recited, "That ?And the sun runs on its fixed course (for a term decreed)," (36.3 as it is recited by ?Abdullah.Sahih Muslim Book 001, Number 0297
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said Do you know where the sun goes? They replied Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything (unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it Rise up and emerge out from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. Do you know when it would happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not previously believed or has derived no good from the faithThat looks pretty much like it's speaking about the sun moving somewhere and then returning from the opposite spot everyday. That pretty much sounds like a sun orbiting the earth to me. And the real proof, is the sun coming from the opposite direction one day. Clearly, this movement of the sun is not speaking about it's movement around a galaxy, but rather a movement around the earth, just like the moon.
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I am saying that the Quran says the two travel in two different orbits around the same thing
Where does it say this?
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Arnold,
Hadith were written 300 years after Muhammed, thus they represent a different timeperiod. So if you really want to see what was Muhammed's belief on the universe you can only look at the Quran and the Arabic language used. Many translations are influenced by Hadith and thus not reliable if you want an honest research on the Quranic message.
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Arnold,
Most of us here do not accept hadith, as you would see if you spent five minutes not obsessed with trying to disprove the quran. Please bring forth verses when you make claims instead of restlessly making an argument with no evidence.
You know the verses from the Quran, do I really need to post them?. Why do you think the Quran is talking about the sun orbiting the galaxy, but not the moon orbiting the galaxy as well? Why does it have to mention that Allah prevents one orbit from outstripping the other as if they could possibly outstrip each other without Allah preventing this?
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Arnold,
Hadith were written 300 years after Muhammed, thus they represent a different timeperiod. So if you really want to see what was Muhammed's belief on the universe you can only look at the Quran and the Arabic language used. Many translations are influenced by Hadith and thus not reliable if you want an honest research on the Quranic message.
See the answer and questions to Navid above.
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Where are the verses?
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3640 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). - English
Topics discussed in this Verse
La alshshamsu yanbaghee laha an tudrika alqamara wala allaylu sabiqu alnnahari wakullun fee falakin yasbahoona
2133 It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course. - English
Topics discussed in this Verse
Wahuwa allathee khalaqa allayla waalnnahara waalshshamsa waalqamara kullun fee falakin yasbahoona
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3640 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). - English
Topics discussed in this Verse
La alshshamsu yanbaghee laha an tudrika alqamara wala allaylu sabiqu alnnahari wakullun fee falakin yasbahoona
2133 It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course. - English
Topics discussed in this Verse
Wahuwa allathee khalaqa allayla waalnnahara waalshshamsa waalqamara kullun fee falakin yasbahoona
- The Sun does not collide with the moon.
- The night cannot outstrip the day.
- They swim in thier own orbits.
What's your problem with that?
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You know the verses from the Quran, do I really need to post them?. Why do you think the Quran is talking about the sun orbiting the galaxy, but not the moon orbiting the galaxy as well? Why does it have to mention that Allah prevents one orbit from outstripping the other as if they could possibly outstrip each other without Allah preventing this?
Because "Allah" isn't like the stereotypical Christian white man with a beard who stirs the planets with his hands, "Allah" refers to a passive entity, whose rules are implemented by will alone.
Please refute the verse, because clearly, as said above, the Sun doesn't collide with the moon, the night doesn't outstrip the day, and they all swim in their own orbits, therefore the verse is correct - it is only when you use your own preconceptions of "Allah" and imagine "Allah" moving the planets with his "hand" that it turns into rubbish.
Logic is rare in this world...
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Logic is rare in this world...
True, especially of him. He is here with agenda, not seeking the truth.
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You know the verses from the Quran, do I really need to post them?. Why do you think the Quran is talking about the sun orbiting the galaxy, but not the moon orbiting the galaxy as well? Why does it have to mention that Allah prevents one orbit from outstripping the other as if they could possibly outstrip each other without Allah preventing this?
Because "Allah" isn't like the stereotypical Christian white man with a beard who stirs the planets with his hands, "Allah" refers to a passive entity, whose rules are implemented by will alone.
Bashing Christianity does not answer my question. In fact, usually when a Muslim runs out of answers, they turn to bash the Bible. So what you are really telling mne, is that you can't answer the point.
Please refute the verse, because clearly, as said above, the Sun doesn't collide with the moon, the night doesn't outstrip the day, and they all swim in their own orbits, therefore the verse is correct - it is only when you use your own preconceptions of "Allah" and imagine "Allah" moving the planets with his "hand" that it turns into rubbish.
Logic is rare in this world...
OK, so let's use some logic, right? ;D
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YUSUFALI It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
PICKTHAL It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
SHAKIR Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere.Would you bother to mention that something or someone prevents the sun and moon from outstripping each other or overtaking each other? I wouldn't because it's clearly impossible for the two the overtake each other as they both orbit two entirely different things. Therefore, the statement would be rather pointless or meaningless as the fact that the two can't overtake each other goes without saying. Therefore, the statement of Allah preventing this becomes fairly meaningless as it is unnecessary to mention because it is a given. But, if it is perceived that they orbit the same thing (earth), then it would be possible for one to overtake the other. Therefore, telling us that Allah prevents this from happening, even though it could happen, suddenly becomes a very important and meaningful statement.
But here again is the real question that everybody refuses to answer. If it says the sun orbits the galaxy, then why shouldn't we think it means the moon orbiting the galaxy as well?
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OK, so let's use some logic, right?
Finally...
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YUSUFALI It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
PICKTHAL It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
SHAKIR Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere.Would you bother to mention that something or someone prevents the sun and moon from outstripping each other or overtaking each other? I wouldn't because it's clearly impossible for the two the overtake each other as they both orbit two entirely different things. Therefore, the statement would be rather pointless or meaningless as the fact that the two can't overtake each other goes without saying. Therefore, the statement of Allah preventing this becomes fairly meaningless as it is unnecessary to mention because it is a given. But, if it is perceived that they orbit the same thing (earth), then it would be possible for one to overtake the other. Therefore, telling us that Allah prevents this from happening, even though it could happen, suddenly becomes a very important and meaningful statement.
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Firstly it mentions everything being in control and in precise placements...leading to-
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It is not meaningless, as what comes out of it is "It is not permitted for the sun to overtake the moon's orbit etc" = behind apparent chaos/apparent order there is perfect control and a reason for everything.
But here again is the real question that everybody refuses to answer. If it says the sun orbits the galaxy, then why shouldn't we think it means the moon orbiting the galaxy as well?
Irrelevant question when the verse explains itself perfectly without the need for bringing in what really orbits a galaxy...
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Finally...
- Firstly it mentions everything being in control and in precise placements...leading to-
Where? Take the words out of that verse and show me? This is just your own projection. It's not there. All it says is that Allah prevents one from catching up to the other. This is a very irrelevent statement if the quran meant that the sun orbits the galaxy and the moon orbits the earth
- It is not meaningless, as what comes out of it is "It is not permitted for the sun to overtake the moon's orbit etc" = behind apparent chaos/apparent order there is perfect control and a reason for everything.
You don't need order to prevent the sun and moon from catching up to each other when their orbits aren't even remotely related in the least. You need to maintain order if the two were orbiting in the same general space
Irrelevant question when the verse explains itself perfectly without the need for bringing in what really orbits a galaxy...
That is not an irrelevant question and you know it isn't. I am pointing out the cheating that goes on in the logic. If science says something, then you automatically assume that this is what the Quran is saying. That is very faulty and subjective and counter to true, objective reasoning. Are you familiar with the term "self fulfilling prophecy"? Please research it because you'll find that you are more familiar with it than you realize because you are practicing it right now.
So therefore, since you won't answer the question, I'll answer it for you. Why should we believe that the Quran is talking about the sun orbiting the galaxy but not talking about the moon orbiting the galaxy? Because science says this isn't true. But science should have nothing to do with the meaing of the words of the Quran or what they are telling us. But muslims cheat and make the Quran agree with science. If science says xyz, then surely that's what the quran meant. This is extremely faulty.
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Because "Allah" isn't like the stereotypical Christian white man with a beard who stirs the planets with his hands, "Allah" refers to a passive entity, whose rules are implemented by will alone.
Bashing Christianity does not answer my question. In fact, usually when a Muslim runs out of answers, they turn to bash the Bible. So what you are really telling mne, is that you can't answer the point.
OK, so let's use some logic, right? ;D
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YUSUFALI It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
PICKTHAL It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
SHAKIR Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere.Would you bother to mention that something or someone prevents the sun and moon from outstripping each other or overtaking each other? I wouldn't because it's clearly impossible for the two the overtake each other as they both orbit two entirely different things. Therefore, the statement would be rather pointless or meaningless as the fact that the two can't overtake each other goes without saying. Therefore, the statement of Allah preventing this becomes fairly meaningless as it is unnecessary to mention because it is a given. But, if it is perceived that they orbit the same thing (earth), then it would be possible for one to overtake the other. Therefore, telling us that Allah prevents this from happening, even though it could happen, suddenly becomes a very important and meaningful statement.
But here again is the real question that everybody refuses to answer. If it says the sun orbits the galaxy, then why shouldn't we think it means the moon orbiting the galaxy as well?
If you read, I said "stereotypical" quite clearly. Many Christans don't see God as a man in the sky, and it's good for them. Also, please read the last part of that sentence instead of nitpicking.
OK, so let's use some logic, right? Grin
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YUSUFALI It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
PICKTHAL It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
SHAKIR Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere.Would you bother to mention that something or someone prevents the sun and moon from outstripping each other or overtaking each other? I wouldn't because it's clearly impossible for the two the overtake each other as they both orbit two entirely different things. Therefore, the statement would be rather pointless or meaningless as the fact that the two can't overtake each other goes without saying. Therefore, the statement of Allah preventing this becomes fairly meaningless as it is unnecessary to mention because it is a given. But, if it is perceived that they orbit the same thing (earth), then it would be possible for one to overtake the other. Therefore, telling us that Allah prevents this from happening, even though it could happen, suddenly becomes a very important and meaningful statement.
But here again is the real question that everybody refuses to answer. If it says the sun orbits the galaxy, then why shouldn't we think it means the moon orbiting the galaxy as well?
Finally, some logic
Now, the verse denotes a very simple, and self-evident concept. The Sun is not permitted, i.e. it is impossible, for it to "overtake" the Moon, because each runs on its own computed path. Nothing more than that. It does not say "God holds them apart", this comes from the (Biblical?) anthropomorphic concept of God. It says simply enough, that the laws of God just don't allow for it to happen.
The Quran is a book full of tautology, it's a common theme. What appears to us as tautology today would have been at the forefront of science thousands of years ago. It is tautological that everything is made of different, discrete, substances. That didn't stop the Greeks from believing it was a mixture of earth, fire, air and water.
If it is perceived that they orbit the same thing (earth) then it would be possible for one to overtake the other, MEANING THAT VERSE WOULD BE FALSE. The reason being, that verse states they will never overtake each other. Comprende? So in reality, when one contemplates this verse, it makes the case only against geocentrism. To look for allegorical meaning in a clear, tautological verse is just idiotic, sorry to say. If a Quranic verse says "water can only be wet", it is not saying "water can be un-wet", it is saying "water can only be wet". Likewise. People whose vocal processor runs faster by degrees of magnitude than their brain's processor generally fall into that trap.
But here again is the real question that everybody refuses to answer. If it says the sun orbits the galaxy, then why shouldn't we think it means the moon orbiting the galaxy as well?
In reality, the entire universe revolves around the Earth, every 24 hours. In reality, the solar system orbits around the Earth every 365 days. In reality, the moon orbits the galaxy as well. Some people struggle with the idea of no absolute space, but it happens. Generally, these are the same people whose vocal chords run at higher frequencies. Ahem.
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Where? Take the words out of that verse and show me? This is just your own projection. It's not there. All it says is that Allah prevents one from catching up to the other. This is a very irrelevent statement if the quran meant that the sun orbits the galaxy and the moon orbits the earth
You don't need order to prevent the sun and moon from catching up to each other when their orbits aren't even remotely related in the least. You need to maintain order if the two were orbiting in the same general space
That is not an irrelevant question and you know it isn't. I am pointing out the cheating that goes on in the logic. If science says something, then you automatically assume that this is what the Quran is saying. That is very faulty and subjective and counter to true, objective reasoning. Are you familiar with the term "self fulfilling prophecy"? Please research it because you'll find that you are more familiar with it than you realize because you are practicing it right now.
So therefore, since you won't answer the question, I'll answer it for you. Why should we believe that the Quran is talking about the sun orbiting the galaxy but not talking about the moon orbiting the galaxy? Because science says this isn't true. But science should have nothing to do with the meaing of the words of the Quran or what they are telling us. But muslims cheat and make the Quran agree with science. If science says xyz, then surely that's what the quran meant. This is extremely faulty.
Some humans have issues with reverse-deriving the concept of God from the Quran, instead of fitting the Quran to their preconceptions and claiming it is false, because their preconceptions are false.
All it says is that Allah prevents one from catching up to the other.
Where? Take the words out of that verse and show me? This is just your own projection. It's not there. All it says is that they will never catch one another and they follow certain paths. Please note that there is only a passive implication in this verse, you have to bring evidence of active (i.e. expending energy) involvement. Good luck.
You don't need order to prevent the sun and moon from catching up to each other when their orbits aren't even remotely related in the least. You need to maintain order if the two were orbiting in the same general space
Anthropomorphism is a deep hole. Your problem is not with the Quran, but your own brain for failing you in terms of logical thinking, and by attempting to apply its own delusions to reality. Your concept of God has no basis in the Quran and God rejects anthropomorphism repeatedly. God, again, is completely passive. This is summed up in 2117. Be, and it is, it just doesn't get simpler than that. God's decree is absolute, and God doesn't need to expend any energy to keep order, as the simple laws of physics show here.
That is not an irrelevant question and you know it isn't. I am pointing out the cheating that goes on in the logic. If science says something, then you automatically assume that this is what the Quran is saying. That is very faulty and subjective and counter to true, objective reasoning. Are you familiar with the term "self fulfilling prophecy"? Please research it because you'll find that you are more familiar with it than you realize because you are practicing it right now.
Are you familiar with the term "hypocrisy"? Please research it because you'll find that you are more familiar with it than you realize because you were practicing it, hence me being able to copy and paste your own arguments against you.
So therefore, since you won't answer the question, I'll answer it for you. Why should we believe that the Quran is talking about the sun orbiting the galaxy but not talking about the moon orbiting the galaxy? Because science says this isn't true. But science should have nothing to do with the meaing of the words of the Quran or what they are telling us. But muslims cheat and make the Quran agree with science. If science says xyz, then surely that's what the quran meant. This is extremely faulty.
Incorrect. The Quran states each of those follows its decreed path and nothing more. If the moon orbits the galaxy, then the moon orbits the galaxy.
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If you read, I said "stereotypical" quite clearly. Many Christans don't see God as a man in the sky, and it's good for them.
None of them think about God that way. You're thinking of Zeus.
Also, please read the last part of that sentence instead of nitpicking.
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Now, the verse denotes a very simple, and self-evident concept. The Sun is not permitted, i.e. it is impossible, for it to "overtake" the Moon, because each runs on its own computed path. Nothing more than that.
It's an insignificant statement if it meant the sun orbits the galaxy and the moon orbits the earth. A given. A wasted sentence that need not even be mentioned But it becomes a very significant if it's talking about the sun and moon both orbiting the earth. Then, it would clearly be a sign of allah's continuing power that continually prevents the two from catching up to each other.
It does not say "God holds them apart", this comes from the (Biblical?) anthropomorphic concept of God. It says simply enough, that the laws of God just don't allow for it to happen.
The Quran is a book full of tautology, it's a common theme.
Tautology
2) Logic An empty or vacuous statement composed of simpler statements in a fashion that makes it logically true whether the simpler statements are factually true or false; for example, the statement Either it will rain tomorrow or it will not rain tomorrow.The Quran is a tautology????
What appears to us as tautology today would have been at the forefront of science thousands of years ago.
Yeah? So what?
It is tautological that everything is made of different, discrete, substances. That didn't stop the Greeks from believing it was a mixture of earth, fire, air and water.
I don't believe that tautology is the word you want to use here.
If it is perceived that they orbit the same thing (earth) then it would be possible for one to overtake the other, MEANING THAT VERSE WOULD BE FALSE.
No it wouldn't because it meant that the two CAN overtake each other, but that Allah prevents this. you conveniently forgot to mention the "Allah prevents this" part of the equation. Why?
The reason being, that verse states they will never overtake each other. Comprende?
Yes, because Allah's power prevent this, and otherwise, they might overtake each other, which is why the issue was even mentioned at all. Comprende?
So in reality, when one contemplates this verse, it makes the case only against geocentrism. To look for allegorical meaning in a clear, tautological verse is just idiotic, sorry to say.
It would appear that you are not even using the word tautology correctly. And who's looking for an allegory? Where did i ever say that? Why are you now throwing allegory into the equation?
If a Quranic verse says "water can only be wet", it is not saying "water can be un-wet", it is saying "water can only be wet". Likewise. People whose vocal processor runs faster by degrees of magnitude than their brain's processor generally fall into that trap.
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036040 Khan It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.
036040 Maulana Neither is it for the sun to overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day. And all float on in an orbit.
036040 Pickthal It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
036040 Rashad The sun is never to catch up with the moon - the night and the day never deviate - each of them is floating in its own orbit.
036040 Sarwar how the sun is not supposed to catch-up with the moon, nor is the night to precede the day. All of them are to float in a certain orbit;
036040 Shakir Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere.
036040 Sherali It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day. All of them float smoothly in an orbit.
036040 Yusufali It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
Here, it mentions the moon cannot catch up with the sun, just as the night cannot catch up with the day. Do you see here how the sun's and moon's movement is also related to night and day? Moon doesn't catch the sun, and night never catches the day. Is an orbit around the galaxy related to night and day in the least? So why do we find the concepts of night and day and the sun's and moon's orbit right next to each other in the same exact verse? Come on, it's obvious.
In reality, the entire universe revolves around the Earth, every 24 hours.
That's not what I've heard. How can the sun revolve around the earth in 24 hours? Are you just playing a little game of relativity between the earth spinning or everything else moving?
In reality, the solar system orbits around the Earth every 365 days.
So everything orbits the earth in 24 hours and a subset of the everything (the solar system) orbits the earth in 356 days?
In reality, the moon orbits the galaxy as well. Some people struggle with the idea of no absolute space, but it happens. Generally, these are the same people whose vocal chords run at higher frequencies. Ahem.
Nope. Nice try with the grey area diversion, but it didn't work. This relativity stuff is nothing but a poor mask or excuse. Go on a space shuttle and tell me how everything is orbiting the earth, but the earth is not spinning. Show me the sun doing on full revolution around the earth in 24 hours from the perspective of a space shuttle. So this relativity excuse is overused and useless. So how can the universe do a full revolutuion around the earth in 24 hours when the sun can't even do that?
I've seen this before. When the questions get tough, one technique is to make the issue as complex, grey and confusing as possible so that it gets so confusing, the issue goes away. I've seen this technique before. It doesn't work.