an adulterer can only marry adulteress or an idolatress

brook

Please pay a little attention to "La yarjuuna" as requested earlier. (Mazhar)

I did pay attention, dear Mazhar. All the six people whom you quote translate la yarjuuna corectly. There is nothing wrong with that.

My objection is to the translation of nikahan as the prospect of marriage. Please note that according to the six tarnslators you quote,

kawaid are the women who
are past the prospect of marriage (Yusuf Ali)
have no hope of marriage (Picthal, Mohammad Sarward)
do not hope for a marriage (Shakir)
do not seek to get married (Progressive Muslims)
no longer expect to marry (T.B. Irving)

So according to their rendering of nikah, God allows the kawaid to take off their clothes if they do not have hope to get married. But if they do? If they have hope of getting married, they are not allowed to take off their clothes.

However, hope is a never-ending human right. I repeat ALL HUMANS, including the kawaid, have the right to marry to the very last breath they are able to take, and it is God who gives them this right (2236-237, 423, 3349).

Therefore what these six translators in actuality are saying is that the kawaid are never allowed to take off their clothes although God says they are.

God says they are; the translators say they are not. That is what is wrong. No translator, no matter what great name he is, can abolish the kawaid?s God-given right to take off their clothes.

The correct translation of nikahan in 2460 has to be the prospect or rather ability to have sexual intercourse. People do lose it at a certain old age, say at 90. But they still can marry for reasons other than sex.

For example they can marry in order to feel a warm hand of a spouse to hold their hand, and God gives them this permission by announcing in 2236-237, 423, 3349 that marriage for purposes other than sex is halal.

you are assinging a completely new meaning to the Arabic word Nikah, which can neither be confirmed from dictionaries nor the Great Reading it self. (the truth seeker)

The Great Reading does. I referred to the relevant verses above. What is more, I am drawing on Muhammad Asad?s explanation in his footnote about 2460

Although nikah, as well as the verb from which it is derived, is almost always used in the Qur?an in the sense of "marriage", there are undoubtedly exceptions from this general rule for instance, the manner in which the verbal form yankihu is used in verse 3 of this surah. These exceptions cofirm the view held by some philologists of great renown, e.g., Al-Jawhari or Al-Azhari (the latter quoted in Lisan al-?Arab), to the effect that "in the speech of the Arabs, the original meaning of nikah is sexual intercourse (al-wat).

Peace,
Hasan Akcay

siki

Hassan!

I agree there is a problem in conventional understanding of 24-60 , and you have valid arguments. let us thrash this verse a little more , a little deep.

siki

Mazhar

I did pay attention, dear Mazhar. All the six people whom you quote translate la yarjuuna corectly. There is nothing wrong with that.{Brook}

And what is that correct translation of la yarjuuna?

brook

And what is that correct translation of la yarjuuna?

are past the prospect of
have no hope of
do not hope for
do not seek to
no longer expect to

brook

(expect to have intercourse)
feel sexual desire -yarjuuna nikahen (2460)
expect God?s grace -yarc?na rahmatallah (221
expecting from God -tarjuuna minallah
what they cannot expect -ma la yarjuun (4104)
expect to meet Us ?yarjuuna lik?ena (107)

expect to receive the Book ?tarjuu an yulkaa ilayka?l kitab (2886)
thy Sustainer?s grace thou expect -rahmatin min rabbike tarjuuh? (172

We had hope in thee ?kunta feen? marcukan (1162)

hoping God?s command -murcavna li emrillah (9106)

expect the last day -yarcu?l yavma?l ahir (2936)
whoever expects to meet God -men k?na yarc? lik?allah (295, 18110)

Mazhar

feel no sexual desire la yarjuuna nikahan

have no hope of
do not hope for
do not seek to
no longer expect to

But who? A particular woman feel no sexual desire or men do not have sexual desire in that woman, who do not hope/seek/longer expect to, men in that woman or that woman in men?? And also please correct the translations that no woman is being allowed to put off her dress. She is being allowed to put off the spare sheet put on the bosoms not her dress.

Yosemite

Salam.

Most of us here agree that Zina is not adultery , but public sex. When someone has been a proved zani , and has been labeled as such , then God is decreeing , "That NO believer should marry such a personality", And if no believer is ready to marry Zanis , then probably the only choice she/he (zanis) has, "is to marry some one who is not a believer of such rules/decrees/commandment".

God is trying to stress upon the the severity of the crime Zina , if some one is proved as such, he/she is considered at par with an idol worshipper, and an other indirect decree probably is ,"That Believers are prohibited to marry idolworshippers".

siki

public act, like on the streets on daylight or night? Like nudists or something?

siki

public act, like on the streets on daylight or night? Like nudists or something?

what ever,, which entails witnessing of any such act by 4. Fornication, adultry is part of committing "Fahisha"

siki