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83:8 &19 ?

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    Bahman
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    http//i0.wp.com/in5d.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/fkjfhdkgh.jpg?resize=1024%2C768

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      ?Aliens prevented nuclear war on Earth? Former NASA astronaut makes unexpected claim
      https//img.rt.com/files/2015.08/original/55cc9a3dc3618878428b4592.jpg

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        Farabi
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        lol ;D

        Even on science sub-forum people believed the earth was flat.

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          I think Aliens (and UFOs) are hoaxes (malicious deceptions).

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            I believe in Aliens but I don't believe they are green little men although I could be wrong. Earth used to be an uninhabitable planet until things started to collide with the planet forming life. Why can't we assume that this also happens somewhere elsewhere? I think that "Aliens prevented nuclear war on Earth" is a terrible conspiracy theory. It is unlikely that you will find life as there are billions and billions of planets. NASA has found Earth-like planets (e.g Kepler-452b), now the question is whether there is life on those planets.

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              ?Aliens prevented nuclear war on Earth? Former NASA astronaut makes unexpected claim
              https//img.rt.com/files/2015.08/original/55cc9a3dc3618878428b4592.jpg

              It was really cruel of you to show such a big picture of that guys face like that.

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                http//www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

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                  http//www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

                  https//cdn.rt.com/files/2015.10/original/561f5a3ac36188ee118b4569.jpg

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                    Bahman
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                    Peace
                    couple days ago Rashad's translation program in my pc as normal gave me a random verse that most time has been guiding and helpful in my last 2 decades life. Now this topic is 8 years old and if you are interested in Quran then i would like to see your comments , and opinion of those that have a good knowledge of Arabic would be helpful for my search and study.
                    We do not come down except by the command of your Lord. To Him belongs our past, our future, and everything between them. Your Lord is never forgetful.1964

                    My question is if WE means angels.?
                    Peace.

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                      good_logic
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                      Peace Bahman.

                      I also believe the "we" to be the Angels;

                      Check these verses, "we" is used here?
                      Rahsad also translates these as I happen to agree here as well)
                      The Angels
                      37164
                      Each one of us has a specific job.

                      37165
                      We are the arrangers.

                      37166
                      We have duly glorified (our Lord).
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

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                        Peace
                        End of world in 2012 is based on Sitchin claim, I do not believe in it as nobody knows the day (Rashad did a mistake about his claim hence 2280 Christian calendar is not correct).
                        My question if Jeem can be used for Ch in Arabic. T is not pronounced in Sitchin.
                        I think this file based on scientific data shows that such smoke will be happen in 2050 which increasing of CO2 gradually up to year 2050 that 11 billions from 12 billions would die.
                        I wish happen right now to find where I be ? rotfl
                        peace

                        What was the error in Rashads predictions? I haven't got around to checking them out fully yet

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                          Bahman
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                          Peace Bahman.

                          I also believe the "we" to be the Angels;

                          Check these verses, "we" is used here?
                          Rahsad also translates these as( I happen to agree here as well)
                          The Angels
                          37164
                          Each one of us has a specific job.

                          37165
                          We are the arrangers.

                          37166
                          We have duly glorified (our Lord).
                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace.

                          Peace
                          So all messages indicate WE for some actions,etc, are nagels Do you know any verse that God directly says I ?
                          Peace.

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                            Bahman
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                            What was the error in Rashads predictions? I haven't got around to checking them out fully yet

                            Peace.
                            We did not send before you any messenger, nor a prophet, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. God then nullifies what the devil has done. God perfects His revelations. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.*
                            http//submission.org/QI#22%3A52

                            Since i converted as believer base on Quran Miracle proving existence of superhuman source i have not agreed by using code 19 for predictions or things out of Quran made by human.
                            I have not been intersted in such predictions and heard that he predicted something about Saudi Arabia .

                            This topic is about chapter 83, if you have any opinion welcome.)
                            Peace

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                              good_logic
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                              Peace Bahman.

                              This comes to mind

                              2012
                              "I am your Lord; remove your sandals. You are in the sacred valley, Tuwa.

                              2013
                              "I have chosen you, so listen to what is being revealed.

                              2014
                              "I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall serve/worship Me alone, and observe the Salat to remember Me.

                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace.

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                                Bahman
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                                Peace Bahman.

                                This comes to mind

                                2012
                                "I am your Lord; remove your sandals. You are in the sacred valley, Tuwa.

                                2013
                                "I have chosen you, so listen to what is being revealed.

                                2014
                                "I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall serve/worship Me alone, and observe the Salat to remember Me.

                                GOD bless you.
                                Peace.

                                Peace
                                Good memory , is Moses only one God talked to directly.
                                God bless

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace Bahman.

                                  Do you mean this

                                  7172
                                  Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."

                                  I think there are other verses. I will look through my notes and post later if I find them.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace Bahman.

                                    Also sometimes the "We" is for GOD,and for GOD and the Angels together.

                                    In these verses the "We" turned singular!
                                    711
                                    We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.

                                    712
                                    He said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I ordered you?" He said, "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from mud."

                                    713
                                    He said, "Therefore, you must go down, for you are not to be arrogant here. Get out; you are debased."

                                    My understanding of "We" can mean GOD, GOD and the use of Angels and just Angels depending on the context and story.

                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace.

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                                      Bahman
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                                      Salam,

                                      I was looking for the bold, thank you!

                                      Thanks everyone.

                                      Salam

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                                        Timotheus
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                                        peace,

                                        as far as i know, Ha, Kha and Ja, are derived from/related to the ancient semitic Chet / Het / khet etc.

                                        https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth

                                        "Heth originally represented a voiceless fricative, either pharyngeal //, or velar /x/ (the two Proto-Semitic phonemes having merged in Canaanite). In Arabic, two corresponding letters were created for both phonemic sounds unmodified represents //, while represents /x/."

                                        since in the original revelation of the quran, there was no distinguishing features of ha kha or ja, it could well be a kha sound, but not a 'cha' as in sha, that is the siin/shiin.

                                        one thing i find great for tracing words such as this, is the ancient hebrew lexicon of the bible, check out http//www.ancient-hebrew.org/ahlb
                                        also sometimes you can find things in phonecian, even sumerian lexicons that relate to the root, even as far back as hierogyliphics and can start to get some idea of its origins.

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                                          Bahman
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                                          http//bigthink.com/philip-perry/aliens-may-be-woven-into-the-fabric-of-nature-and-even-ourselves

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