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What is the punishment for suicide?

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    tarikh
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    Peace all, what is the punishment when a believer kills himself, because he's so unhappy and lonely in this world? What is the age of responsibility? Why can it not be 40?

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      Peace all, what is the punishment when a believer kills himself, because he's so unhappy and lonely in this world? What is the age of responsibility? Why can it not be 40?

      What kind of a nation are we going to have if all its citizens in their prime age are liars, cheaters, murderes, adultrers or...dead?

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        peace

        429 O you who believe, do not consume your money between you unjustly, except through a trade which is mutually agreed by you. And do not kill yourselves; God is Merciful towards you.
        430 And whoever does so out of animosity and transgression, We will cast him to a Fire; and this for God is very easy.

        ok sure that talks about killing yourself out of animosity and transgression,
        but still, in 429 God says 'do not', that should be enough.

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          Peace, does kill yourselves mean suicide or kill those among yourselves?

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            Samia
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            Killing one's self amounts to dispair from the mercy of God.

            "So, remember Me and I will remeber you and be grateful for what I gave you and don't be ungrateful to Me" 2152

            Life is one precious thing He gave us.

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              Ok samia thanks, but what about the age of responsibility? Does a disbeliever child go to hell?

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                Samia
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                Ok samia thanks, but what about the age of responsibility? Does a disbeliever child go to hell?

                No, of course. But it can't be 40! (Look up at my first post)

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                  The punishment for suicide is death. God's justice

                  Scuse the tongue-in-cheek but what do you mean? Fire and brimstone? Someone driven to killing themselves, clearly not sane.

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                    Peace,

                    If Im not mistaken, I thought you CAN commit suicide in certain situations? Situations that you have no other way to get out of? Astagfirullah but I thought I read such a thing in Qur'an? Also, what if you commit suicide to save others? That doesnt mean you dont not appreciate your life, its all about motives.

                    Peace

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                      Peace,

                      If Im not mistaken, I thought you CAN commit suicide in certain situations? Situations that you have no other way to get out of? Astagfirullah but I thought I read such a thing in Qur'an? Also, what if you commit suicide to save others? That doesnt mean you dont not appreciate your life, its all about motives.

                      Peace

                      You can' kill yourself to save others. You try to save others in dangerous situations that most probably would kill you, but with a percentage nevertheless that you would be saved, trusting God in that. Even in war situations, if 1% would survive, a soldier hopes to be among the 1% and not the 99%. That's how you can save others putting the destiny of your life with the destiny of theirs, and thus you have a slim hope of saving yourself too, because if you die you are good for nothing

                      But you cannot donate your heart, for example, to save someone else.

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                        tarikh
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                        Peace samia, how do u deduce that children wont go to hell? Which verse? And why did God mention the age of 40 and not 11 for instance?

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                          Peace samia, how do u deduce that children wont go to hell? Which verse? And why did God mention the age of 40 and not 11 for instance?

                          Because, possibly, an 11 year old is still held by his mother.

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                            What kind of a nation are we going to have if all its citizens in their prime age are liars, cheaters, murderes, adultrers or...dead?

                            USA? England etc...? The world in general!?

                            peace

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                              M_Mehdi
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                              USA? England etc...? The world in general!?

                              Yes, I can see everyone here is in denial...

                              Ok how about
                              "What is the punishment for suicide?" - Nothing for you! ;D
                              Ok.. guess not funny eh?

                              The sin of suicide is that you cut yourself off from a chance to do right...
                              peace

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                                USA? England etc...? The world in general!?

                                peace

                                Yeah, some of us have slightly higher standards, bro.

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                                  tarikh
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                                  Peace, so how do i prove to hadithists using quran verses that an 11year old idolworshipper wont go to hell? Wont they laugh if i use arguments like 'possibly'? But if i use the 'and when he reaches the age of 40' verse, you wont agree that it is the age of responsibility? So either way, you fail to provide an answer. How can you then claim quran is complete?

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                                    Peace, so how do i prove to hadithists using quran verses that an 11year old idolworshipper wont go to hell? Wont they laugh if i use arguments like 'possibly'? But if i use the 'and when he reaches the age of 40' verse, you wont agree that it is the age of responsibility? So either way, you fail to provide an answer. How can you then claim quran is complete?

                                    Jesus Christ.

                                    OK, look at it from this point of view. Hadeethists have spun themselves into the delusion that anyone they think is going to hell is destined to hell. Unfortunately you fell into that trap. The truth is that God has the final say, God is 100% equitable, just and fair in his decision, and God alone decides. Whether or not an 11 year old will go to hell for committing suicide is for God, the creator of that 11 year old, who knows that 11 year old's mind inside out, who knows that 11 year old's mental maturity inside out and who knows everything inside out, to decide.

                                    The quran is complete beyond human idiocy.

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                                      The punishment for suicide is death.

                                      Jesus Christ.

                                      rotfl
                                      u 2 much opf!

                                      peacelk

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                                        tarikh
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                                        You still fail to provide an answer based on quran alone!

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                                          Peace samia, how do u deduce that children wont go to hell? Which verse? And why did God mention the age of 40 and not 11 for instance?

                                          Salaam tarikh

                                          It's not about age. It's about being able to distinguish between right and wrong. It's the ability to reason that matters, not the birth certificate. Quraan does not speak about numerical age but about rationality 46.

                                          The verse you allude to is not about the general puplic. Most probably it is about a specfic person...

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