Do we indirectly encourage murder?
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Peace to all,
Dargento, no worries brother, I thought of such questions myself, but the Quran tells us that we are only going to be held responsible for our own deeds, there is no such thing as vicarious liability in Islam, if i sold a person a knife and he kills someone, its not my fault and I wont be held accountable by God on the day of judgement, I can honestly say that when I pay my taxes I had hoped my elected officials would do good with it and help those that need help, if they do otherwise then it will be upon them as a burden to bear soon.
Kurt
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Well, considering there's no law that says we have to pay income tax... hmm
That was one thing i used to here from those who do tax fraud- sorry Zenje, but you don't want to encourage that surely.
But, how do righteous people see this sought of a thing?
and we can't say the quran doesn't talk about- that sought of thing, when so many tax dollers go to feed the poor and all.
God Bless.
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Peace,
I had this thought As a tax-paying American am I indirectly supporting murder by paying my taxes, the same taxes that finance these wars?
Share your thoughts.The quraan says "As for those whom the angels take in death while they are wronging themselves, saying to them What were you doing? They say "we were oppressed/helpless". They (angels) say Was not the earth of God spacious enough for you to emigrate therein"?
Me included &
The problem is where to immigrate?
I immigrated twice. Where else again? I am just choosing the less evil. At least here I can liberate and elevate my understanding of the quraan and help others without fear of persecution. As for my taxes, in my country they go to the pockets of the corrupt, and to kill my own people in the south (then) and the wst (now).
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the IRS is not the government, it is not your country.
giving them money it's funding their fight against freedom.think about who's punishment is worst. God's or some thug organization's?
now change because you are helping them kill people.
that's the IRS.there is no excuse other than you submit to them.
they have no law, they only have guns and people to come steal your stuff.live free or die.
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Peace,
The quraan says "As for those whom the angels take in death while they are wronging themselves, saying to them What were you doing? They say "we were oppressed/helpless". They (angels) say Was not the earth of God spacious enough for you to emigrate therein"?
Exactly what I thought of too; when thinking about this. That sign/verse was the source of my guilt.
when so many tax dollars go to feed the poor and all.
Not a hell of a lot. Much of the govt. money goes to the rich. Lobbyists pay the politicians, the politicians return the favor. The govts. don't give a damn about the poor. And we've got Cancer societies, diabetes societies with ties to food manufacturers, candy companies etc..Capitalism (or democracy)is such a failed system because it's all about making money.
I guess not all that is limited to the federal income tax (because there are so many other taxes too). But 50% of our taxes go to the Military industrial complex (if you are an American anyway).
I mean we pay the toll tax, vehicle registration tax, gasoline tax...Is there a way to win here? I could refuse to pay the federal income tax and then be jailed and have all my belongings taken away yet I still will be paying the other taxes regardless.
I thought of such questions myself, but the Quran tells us that we are only going to be held responsible for our own deeds, there is no such thing as vicarious liability in Islam, if i sold a person a knife and he kills someone, its not my fault and I wont be held accountable by God on the day of judgement, I can honestly say that when I pay my taxes I had hoped my elected officials would do good with it and help those that need help, if they do otherwise then it will be upon them as a burden to bear soon.
I agree with that, but aren't we supposed to be showing the good example? And fighting against oppression/terror/evil?
If I was in a financial status to move I would immediately give a precious life-style for perhaps more adversity and hardship in a place like Norway (apparently world's most peaceful and educated nation)
One thing I really don't like is how you have to 'immigrate' to the countries. It's God's earth dammit!
Thank you for your responses. peace
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Well DA,
Not a hell of a lot. Much of the govt. money goes to the rich. Lobbyists pay the politicians, the politicians return the favor. The govts. don't give a damn about the poor.
don't we need government's then?
How about like the sheikh's or president Mushariff and all? would you like that type of rule instead Br?
God Bless.
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The problem is where to immigrate?
How about up north? To Canada!
No death penalty in Canada, freedom of speech protected in the constitution, no troops occupying Iraq, lower crime rate than the U.S. , better income distribution, universal health care for all, longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality. Canadian cities are also ranked one of the best places to live, Vancouver for example has been voted the most livable city in the world 2 years ago.
Been thinking about migrating there myself..
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Peace all,
Canada is not completely free from that problem either, they were part of the 'alliance' in the 'war on terror' in Afghanistan. As for the IRS (and the federal reserve) are in the business of making money, they just don't care how they go about it. And the U.S. borrows money from China and Japan to fund the billions of dollars to fund the war, so are the chinese indirectly encourage murder?
peace
PS - If anyone still hasn't watched the documentary America Freedom to Fascism, I would highly recommend you do so. )
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Peace,
don't we need government's then?
How about like the sheikh's or president Mushariff and all? would you like that type of rule instead Br?
God Bless.
We can have a government. How about the PEOPLE vote for legislations; all of them. And NOT 'elected' leaders based on the moronic electoral system. I mean 70% of the US is against the war, 40% wants Bush impeached (that would be higher than Clinton btw) over 56% have no faith in the government.
One step at a time bro... I am not saying the US is the worst place to live, it's not. There are many places that are better and many places that are worse. Is it in the top 5? No. Do some research and the US is behind the European countries in medicine, crime, freedom, economy etc... It's just the hypocrisy and the lies that are sickening. I just don't believe in giving one man or the governing body that much power. Especially one that doesn't follow any of the laws (constitution). You know the fascinating thing is the founding fathers of the US warned of this.
And the U.S. borrows money from China and Japan to fund the billions of dollars to fund the war, so are the chinese indirectly encourage murder?
Good point. We do know china and the US are far from allies. Isn't there like a 100 countries in Iraq?
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peace brother DA, all,
Good question. It is a good sign that you are asking yourself this, as I have in the past. I hope this will count in our favour.
A few points from my perspective for me it's a bit like having to choose "the lesser of two evils" because the only way that I can see to confidently eliminate this aspect of indirect funding from my life is to live basically like a nomad, doing basic labour-type jobs (as these are usually untaxed) to earn a living. Well, either that or live off benefits (not ideal) or go to jail leading to a restricted life (again, not ideal), even though sometimes it feels like I do live in a jail. With only these options, whilst perhaps possible to do, would greatly limit (in my view) the positive contributions I can make (to people/world/etc) so the way I see it if I do accumulate "sin" from choosing to do what I do I will strive to cancel out any "sin" with good deeds and ask God to forgive me for the rest. The odds are in our favour it seems, as good deeds are multiplied. D
At present, I try to limit how much I pay in tax as much as I can. I have been fortunate enough to have my own company and the UK tax system is not built to tax a company whose primary interests do not lie in making money. D
So my advice would be to minimise your participation in any negative activity, directly or indirectly, and maximise your participation in positive activity, directly or indirectly, and leave the rest to God.
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You mean the same so called 'islamic' countries that can't wait to kiss America's you know what ?
Either the rear end or a JDAM ;D
It's nice and comfy on this side, thank you very much.
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Quran makes its stance on state corruption very clear. Emigration. Presumably nobody is held accountable for other people's sins, but in this world, you get what you pay for.
