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Do believers really win in this life?

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    Alen
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    Peace. If believers (in quran alone) are supposed to win in this life and in the other, then why is it not the case for me? I take myself as an example. Nothing really works for me. Sure, i've had some amelioration in my life both spiritually and materially, but my counterparts are way ahead of me. I know that success isn't about material gain, but why does a believer lacking behind? Any possible reason, why God could be angry with a believer?

    Salam.

    I have been deported twice from USA, banned also, i have been banned from this mosque near me here in Leicester, UK, i am still a virgin, i got only 100 GBP saved up money and that's pretty much it.

    But I have a place to stay, a job, knowledge, i can see, i can walk, i can talk, i speak the language of 480.000.000 million English speaking people, i have written 12 scripts, each worth at least $50.000 USD, i have many friends on this forum, i have food, i have water, there is peace in my heart as well in UK, i have a brother, mother, father, i'm not poor, orphan or homeless, i got The Qur'an, ........

    I could go on and on untill the next day what i got.
    I am grateful to God that i'm not hooked up on this world like some of the people i know in Slovenija and even here in Leicester.

    Peace.

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      peace4life
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      alhamdu lillah brother Alen,

      Like Allah says in the Quran.. if you count your blessings you won't reach a number. sun

      God bless.

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        naxus
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        Peace, thanks 4 the link

        Salam

        Sister /Bro

        Sometime things looks weary because we are unaware of how much blessed we are?.watch this video Inshahallah you will realize that there is plenty with which your God has favored you but you see Satan is one great master illusionist so watch this video and break his illusion of why there is no successes because what you need is a thankful heart and not a success and believe it or not there is plenty to be thankful for??

        http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccgbH0YTQA

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          SwedenMajidah
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          Peace maria, i did read yr post last time and i did try to change my thoughts, and be positive and use visualization, but tell me, can i change people's thoughts with mine? For instance, just by thinking that someone will be nice will not necessary work IF that person thinks himself as being evil?

          Peace Tarikh,

          Yes, you are right that you cannot control other peoples thoughts and minds. But When you want something, and when you visualize it and do that many times, you will attract that things to you so it will be drawn to you in some way. But to doubt and/or ponder about how this will happen, will destroy your true visions.

          Try to paint or draw a visualization paintings and hang up in a place you often can view it. On that painting, you will put things that you will come true, it can be one thing or many things.

          I have one hanging on my refrigator in my kitchen.

          Maria

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            tarikh
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            Peace maria, i understand that thoughts change our lives but how do you concile this with the fact that quran says 'everything is in accordance with God's will' or 'whether you chop down a tree or leave it standing is in accordance with God's will'. For instance, if i really want to marry a girl, i visualize this, but no matter what, i cant seem to succeed. Wouldn't that be because God didn't will it cause He knows that girl wont be nice to me? Surely God doesn't will that bad things happen to believers. Everything bad that happens to you is due to yr own deed.

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              Tay
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              Peace Tarikh,

              You stated

              Everything bad that happens to you is due to yr own deed.

              Please rethink your position with the understanding that many, many children are suffering on this planet. Could it be that their own deeds caused starvation, homelessness, disease, orphanhood, etc.?

              We are here to take care of each other, to learn from each other, and to better each other, collectively. Praying to God does not control God's will as one would control a magic genie. Praying puts your mind and heart in the right place to be able to go out with the strength, conviction, and peacefulness that it requires to achieve your desires in the right light.

              Peace,
              Tay

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                tarikh
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                Peace tay, it's not me who says that. It's in quran.

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                  Tay
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                  Peace Tarikh,

                  Please post the ayat you feel support your statements so we can discuss them.

                  Peace,
                  Tay

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                    peace4life
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                    Peace Naxus,

                    Your video has brought tears to my eyes. pr

                    What more proof do we need that this life is just a temporary test?

                    peace

                    angel

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                      tarikh
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                      Peace tay, here's the verse. 479 anything good that happens to you is from God, anything bad is the consequence of yr own deed. And also 1711 in relation to visualizing something we want. The human being often prays for something that may hurt him, whilst thinking he's praying for good.

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                        naxus
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                        Peace Naxus,

                        Your video has brought tears to my eyes. pr

                        What more proof do we need that this life is just a temporary test?

                        peace

                        angel

                        067.001 Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power;-

                        067.002 He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-

                        may be this will make some sense to you......

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                          SwedenMajidah
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                          Peace maria, i understand that thoughts change our lives but how do you concile this with the fact that quran says 'everything is in accordance with God's will' or 'whether you chop down a tree or leave it standing is in accordance with God's will'. For instance, if i really want to marry a girl, i visualize this, but no matter what, i cant seem to succeed. Wouldn't that be because God didn't will it cause He knows that girl wont be nice to me? Surely God doesn't will that bad things happen to believers. Everything bad that happens to you is due to yr own deed.

                          Peace Tarikh,
                          I don't know if you realize it or not but your way of believe in God as a controling God makes obstacles for you. You cannot move forward if you just wait for God or someone else take the action for you.

                          If you really love a girl and want to marry her and you think that nothing happens even if you have tried hard to visualize her with you, then likely your beliefs have put a barrier for you to attract your vision. Or that girl isn't intrested in you so therefore it would have caused alot power to make her available for you.

                          You have the power Tarikh, because it's you who have visions and wishes and with your free will and with the power of universe you can attract goldmines if you like to.

                          To understand fully what kind of tools I use, you can read a book or buy a dvd of the author Rhonda Byrne an Australian woman. Go to this site www.thesecret.tv

                          Maria

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                            Tay
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                            Peace Tarikh,

                            479 Any good that befalls you is from God, and any bad that befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.

                            Your "self", not you "deeds" --->min nafsika
                            The question, then, would be is this an individual "self", a collective "self", or both?

                            As for 1711, again, it does not prove any sort of "your wish is my command".
                            You stated

                            in relation to visualizing something we want

                            That's fine. But the visualizing does not manifest the literal desired outcome. It primes you to actualize the potential within your self.

                            Peace,
                            Tay

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                              tarikh
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                              Peace Tarikh,
                              I don't know if you realize it or not but your way of believe in God as a controling God makes obstacles for you. You cannot move forward if you just wait for God or someone else take the action for you.

                              If you really love a girl and want to marry her and you think that nothing happens even if you have tried hard to visualize her with you, then likely your beliefs have put a barrier for you to attract your vision. Or that girl isn't intrested in you so therefore it would have caused alot power to make her available for you.

                              You have the power Tarikh, because it's you who have visions and wishes and with your free will and with the power of universe you can attract goldmines if you like to.

                              To understand fully what kind of tools I use, you can read a book or buy a dvd of the author Rhonda Byrne an Australian woman. Go to this site www.thesecret.tv

                              Maria

                              Peace Maria, thanks for your encouragement, but tell me one thing, if I dont seem to attract her, you mean, its impossible if shes not interested at all with me?

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                                tarikh
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                                So the secret law is the power of visualization? Any verses that may refer to this phenomenon?

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                                  nazz
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                                  Greets,

                                  "if I dont seem to attract her, you mean, its impossible if shes not interested at all with me?

                                  To be a little abstract here; We do not attract that which we want, but that which we are. That aside, if someone is not attracted to somebody else, well, that's pretty much the end of the story. There are a myriad factors involved - like a number combination lock. Even if you have 97 of the 100 numbers in the sequence, unless you have the remaining 3 (and you may never be able to get them) it just won't 'happen'.

                                  So the secret law is the power of visualization? Any verses that may refer to this phenomenon?

                                  "The vision that you glorify in your mind, the Ideal that you enthrone in your heart - this you will build your life by, this you will become."

                                  Again as Tay said, it won't be your literal desired outcome. i.e. That girl, That car. Columbus cherished a vision of another world, and he discovered it. Buddha beheld the vision of a spiritual world of stainless beauty and perfect peace, and he entered into it.

                                  Having a vision and striving towards it is an empowerment.

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                                    tarikh
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                                    Peace, so from what i understood, if someone's not interested in me, i just have to give up but continue to visualize until someone better comes in my interest? You know what, what i've envisioned, i noticed that in some cases, God gave me better.

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                                      Jack
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                                      Sorry, I know this is offtopic

                                      Columbus cherished a vision of another world, and he discovered it.

                                      Not quiet

                                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15891.0

                                      Carry on...

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