Do Prophets make mistakes?
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What is your answer?
Mine is that they DO NOT make mistakes. If they made mistakes then they wouldnt be Prophets, People wouldnt believe into them. Same goes with lying.. and When Abraham said that "he (pointing to the largest idol) did it" He ofcourse was telling them to use their brains and think? and to those of you asking He shouldnt have broken the idol as those werent His, then the people who placed the idols in the Kaab'aa had no right to do that either as the kaab'aa wasnt theirs..
Everyone is so intent on discrediting Prophets that you go as far as disrespecting them. WHY? respecting a Prophet isnt shirk? saying Prophet Muhammed is a messenger is not a SHirk? if respecting was shirk then why do you respect your parents? relatives? teachers? are you not committing a shirk then?
You say Prophets can make mistakes but does that mean ALLAH can make mistakes too? There are so many laws that we as humans cannot comprehend does that mean Allah shouldnt have made those laws or rules? Just why should we pray to him (doesnt matter if you believ in 5 prayers or 2 or 3 or 100) what does praying do for us except waste our time? Why cant we drink alcohol like others? what does it matter? after all if we are believers we will BEHAVE and only drink little bit? Why cant we be homosexuals if we feel that way? Shouldnt we have a right to feel happy without fear of getting punished?
Further more why did Allah change some of the commandments, added laws from the laws He gave to Jews to the new laws He gave Jesus and then to Prophet Muhammed? Couldnt he make up his mind?
Furthermore why did Allah revealed some verses and later they were classified as null & void? If Allah knew who was going to go to heaven and hell after all THIS EARTH is a test then why put us through this? and why not give us a choice ie if we dont want the test we can go straight to heaven? why this test...Dont take me the wrong way.. Allah is merciful and kind and HE doesnt make any mistakes, then why would His messengers make mistakes when all they do is what ALLAH commands them to. Sure Some prophets made mistakes but we cannot call them as mistakes after all if Allah is so powerful He wouldnt LET them commit mistakes because they are His Messengers.
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peace
mine is they THEY DID make mistakes.
661 O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
801 He frowned and turned away.
802 When the blind one came to him.
803 And what makes you know, perhaps he is seeking to purify?wasn't that a mistake?
3830 And to David We granted Solomon. What an excellent and obedient servant.
3831 When, close to dusk, well trained horses were displayed before him.
3832 He then said "I have enjoyed materialism more than I enjoyed the remembrance of my Lord; now it has become totally dark!"
3833 "Send them back." He then rubbed their legs and necks.
3834 And We tested Solomon and placed a corpse on his throne, but he then repented.
3835 He said "My Lord, forgive me, and grant me a kingship that will never be attained by anyone after me. You are the Grantor."wasn't that a mistake?
2814 And when he reached his independence and was established, We bestowed him with wisdom and knowledge. We thus reward the good doers
2815 And he entered the city unexpectedly, without being noticed by the people. He found in it two men who were fighting, one was from his own race, and the other was from his enemy's. So the one who was from his own race called on him for help against his enemy, whereby Moses punched him, killing him. He said "This is from the work of the devil; he is an enemy that clearly misleads."
2816 He said "My Lord, I have wronged my soul, so forgive me." He then forgave him, for He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.wasn't that a mistake?
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Dear brother shez,
Yes, as pointed out by nerspi, they do make mistakes. (And please don't say of God what you don't know/have evidence (733) by saying it was a plan or whatever in your previous excuse/post)
Moreover, the stories/narrations/hadeeth told about them have much much more mistakes. So what hadeeth/narration shall we hold on to? I would hold on to what God has miraculously preserved upto today in this best narration (3923).
Do your own sincere reserach and see for yourself. The Guidance is with God. I can't guide you and you can't guide me. So be willing to take on sincere research and think sincerely/freely to accept God's guidance. Accept that we need God to guide us - we're not perfect... It's completely the opposite of thinking that we're born into what's perfect and correct and hold onto the what our forefathers tell - if you think that you or whatever you're born into are guided then that's probably the beginning of the end of guidance due to arrogance.
Many of us here accept that we need God's guidance, we sincerely tell God that we need Him to guide us - we want to be guided so we use our God given logic (not tradition) to verify things sincerely with the one objective of sincerely doing the objective that the creator of the Heavens and the Earth created us for - to be grateful (& successful = complete objective) to Him as he is the only One True Nature/Creator.
What would God judge us on - The level of our strictness in following tradition or stories that can't be verified?
It would be such an unfair lucky draw if you think you or any are "lucky" to be born as "muslim" or whatever, and such evil to say that paradise is reserved for a group of people who follow things blindly - then in the same time you read the preserved scripture saying God will not wrong anything by even an atoms weight in His judgement (440 , 1061 , 343 , 997-
Please do not think that your questions are unkown or unsolved by those who want to research/be sincere to God overhere. The answers are all over the forum and the articles section, the book section, please do more sincere research - clean up the old subconscious you were taught, remove the prejudice.
Take your time brother.
I really apologize if my words offend you in anyway.
May God Guide.
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As a start for your sincere reserach, (you're mixing up between prophet and messenger in your starting post) please read those articles about the topic "The Messenger" at http//www.free-minds.org/articles.htm
Here's a little summary I copy for you from another thread
Sorry for interrupting the discussion.
"To Obey the Prophet(PBUH) is obligatory to every Muslim" - Who said that? I'm not worshippping the one who said that, I want to worship God. After I verified that there is a God, and then I verified that this Quran is from God. Then, here's a summary of what I currently understand from the Quran about this issue
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The Prophet and Messenger is not the same. The Messenger is the state that the prophet is speaking God's message - perfectly - so God said Obey the Messenger. Now, see 661 - why does God use the word prophet there? Because that's what the prophet did, not the Messenger.
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Obeying God and obeying the Messenger is the same thing . We can only know what God says from the Messenger and the Messenger can only speak what God says (, ).
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God preserved His message . Now, what does He say about "hadith"? See 7750, 7185, 316, 456, 3923, 5234, 6844 - see the arabic word "Hadith" in these verses.
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The duty of the Messenger is ONLY to clearly deliver the Message , , , , . How to obey him? Obey what he ONLY does (only delivers the Message). He warns with the Quran whomever it reaches (it reached us also) . He reminds with the Quran to those who revere Gods promise .
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Therefore, the duty of explaining the Quran is NOT for the Messenger, it's for God.
Some people might come to say "but the prophet said..." this and that - Can you sincerely verify that he said it? This one said that one said... So it's true?
I want to worship God, not a man. I respect good men, but not worship/obey them.
Who do you want to Worship? God?
- Then you should obey Him.
How to Obey God? - Obey what he tells you.
How does he tell you? - Through his Messenger.
Therefore, 480 Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God; and whoever turns away, We have not sent you as a guardian over them.
Therefore, "Obey God and obey the Messenger" = worship God.
NOT "Obey God and obey the hadith books about prophet Muhammad".
By the way, there's so much you can find in the hadith books, everything you might want, probably the book referred here
(See 6114, also.)
6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
6837 Or do you have another book which you study?
6838 In it, you can find what you wish?The Quran is complete/fully detailed. But for some (many), it doesn't have what they like to see in it, so they go and see the Hadith books, they'll find just about anything they want - even though contradicting - they choose what they wish. May God guide & forgive.
May God Guide.
(I don't come/post in this forum so much so I hereby apologize if I reply slowly or fail to reply - I'm sure other members can help reply your questions - but please remember to do more sincere research on these issues)
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Peace,
I remember a verse in the Quran which I can't come up with now wherein Muhammad was corrected by the Almighty. I think they made mistakes, but because they could communicate with the Almighty they could correct their behaviour immediatly.
We tend to forget that the prophets were also humans just like us. Humans with emotions... and so yes, I do believe that they made mistakes. But I also think if they could communicate with the Almighty that those mistakes could've been easily been deleted in just a couple of seconds, simply by just listening to the advice of the Almighty God/Allah and repenting.
Just sharing my thoughts.
peace
Latifah
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Latifah Ok following your logic,
Does Allah know whats in your heart & what you are about to do?
if He does and He knew His prophet was about to make some mistake, why not just tell him before instead of correcting it afterwards? cant you see that non-muslims would have objection to that? they could easily say that Prophet is nothing more than human and to cover up his mistake he is telling more lies.. (astaghfirullah) ie if Prophet said something and then realised He shouldnt have said it and then said something else to cover it up.. -
shez, because prophet is other than human ? Give evidence please. And what do you make of the prophets mistake treated in quran ? Even if you say mistakes according to god's plan are not mistakes, so what about all our mistakes. Isn't everything planned by god, in gods hand ? so we shall not be accountable for our mistakes ?
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shez, because prophet is other than human ? Give evidence please. And what do you make of the prophets mistake treated in quran ? Even if you say mistakes according to god's plan are not mistakes, so what about all our mistakes. Isn't everything planned by god, in gods hand ? so we shall not be accountable for our mistakes ?
no BUT we are not prophets, we are expected to follow the prophets NOT be one. there is a difference. Sometimes Allah do things that we cannot comprehend but accept it for example
- the most basic thing is that Adam made a mistake and then he was told to go to earth.
Q After Adam repented and Allah accepted His repentence, Why didnt Adam go back to heaven? why was he still being punished?
Q If Allah wanted this earth to exist why go through all this "plan" for Adam to eat the grain etc.. Why not just tell Adam as soon as He was born/created that He will live on earth...
We make mistakes because we are humans, we dont communicate with ALLAH, but because prophets/messengers do therefore it should be impossible for them to make mistakes for why wouldnt ALLAH correct their mistakes even before it happens? doesnt sit with me.
re ZIDANE
Some people might come to say "but the prophet said..." this and that - Can you sincerely verify that he said it? This one said that one said... So it's true?
I want to worship God, not a man. I respect good men, but not worship/obey them.
Can you verify that whatever is written in Quran is the absolute word of Quran? Quran and Hadeeth both were compiled AFTER prophet Muhammed's death and Allah didnt actually give hints to people compiling Quran whether they were right or wrong..
Therefore, "Obey God and obey the Messenger" = worship God.
NOT "Obey God and obey the hadith books about prophet Muhammad".
isnt hadeeth about what Prophet Muhammed said? so isnt obeying hadeeth obeying Prophet and thus obeying God??
if hadeeth arent there then how can we obey Prophet? Prophet did so many things for us that we will ignore all of them and lose the opportunity to gain extra reward..
- the most basic thing is that Adam made a mistake and then he was told to go to earth.
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Can you verify that whatever is written in Quran is the absolute word of Quran? Quran and Hadeeth both were compiled AFTER prophet Muhammed's death and Allah didnt actually give hints to people compiling Quran whether they were right or wrong..
-I can verify that the Quran as a whole is a preserved book from God. NOT word by word - but meanings that are evident truth (consistent with Nature - God's system) preserved and explaining/linking to each other in harmony as a whole (as to my knowledge now especially when reading from context - may God guide. Many traditional veiws of the quran is so conflicting because they use hadith to judge the quran while the quran says it's the criterion itself).
-The Quran doesn't have "doe-if" (weak) or "mau-dua" (fabricated) verses as showed by many many articles, mathematical symmetry, 19 patterns (some of them that are evident - not into that discussion here) etc. It is TRULY the best hadith as it clamed to be (showed by the verse already presented) and God really preserved it. The hadith is full conflicts in itself and contradictions with the Quran.
-NO, the quran was NOT compiled after the prophet's time.
-GOD DID GAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMPILATION OF THE QURAN IN THE QURAN.
How? Where? Do your sincere research as I suggested and you'll perhaps see it. It's no use for me to re-post everything here for you when I don't even know you're willing to listen or not (because your second question shows that) and it's alraedy there for you on this site.
isnt hadeeth about what Prophet Muhammed said? so isnt obeying hadeeth obeying Prophet and thus obeying God??
if hadeeth arent there then how can we obey Prophet? Prophet did so many things for us that we will ignore all of them and lose the opportunity to gain extra reward..
- NO. Already explained in my long quote above.
-Take a look at http//www.submission.org/had-corruption.html also.
-Who told YOU to obey the prophet? There's only obey God and obey the messenger - alraedy explained. Give me a verse that tells YOU to "Obey God and Obey the nabi".(Especially when the prophet is NOT alive with us here and now.)
-You believe that there's extra 'special' reward by blindly following such and such? So there's extra hidden knowledge sent to the prophet that he didn't write down for us in his time? why didn't he keep it for us and leave this great chaos of hadith and confilcts and confusion if it was needed?
-Do you think the prophet of God is so stupid to not keep the needed hadith in a good record or stamp/sign it to preserve it if it's so essential? In the same time you read the "Quran" and it's saying that it's complete fully detailed (see the first part of http//www.free-minds.org/women/scarf.htm)
I'm sure that the answers to these questions are already there please search for it, use some effort.
I BELIEVE THAT GOD CAN MAKE YOU SEE THE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE THAT GOD CAN GUIDE YOU.
(I don't come/post in this forum so much so I hereby apologize if I reply slowly or fail to reply - I'm sure other members can help reply your questions - but please remember to do more sincere research on these issues)
- NO. Already explained in my long quote above.
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if hadeeth arent there then how can we obey Prophet? Prophet did so many things for us that we will ignore all of them and lose the opportunity to gain extra reward..
Oh, yeah....that thing about 'hasanaat'....if I do such and such, I will receive this many hasanaat, and if I say another such and such, like this, I will receive this many hasanaat. It's all really quite simple, eh? Just follow the dotted line...
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This screams of Leoxyz.
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Peace All,
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As quoted by Nerspi, the highlighted verses does mentioned about mistake done. They are still many other verses that touch on the subject matter. However chapter 80 (A'basa) might not necessarily refers to prophet Muhammad mistake as some may argue.
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It implies that human or even angels (in the case of arguing Allah about Adam creation) are not infallible.
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Be noted that a mistake does not necessarily constitute a sin. Even if it is a sin, the prophets will immediately repent and ask forgiveness (Not like most of us, keep prolong on the mistake and sin)
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God normally correct the mistake made by the prophets on immediate basis. This is a category of people to what some termed as "al-ma'soomin" (the saved ones). They are the chosen ones among the mankind (al-mukhtar) and they don't prolong themselves in mistake.
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Prophets are the leader for mankind and they commit very much less mistake than us for sure. Why ? Because they are under constant guidance by God.
Peace All.
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We make mistakes because we are humans, we dont communicate with ALLAH, but because prophets/messengers do therefore it should be impossible for them to make mistakes for why wouldnt ALLAH correct their mistakes even before it happens? doesnt sit with me.
Oh yes we do!
It is not fitting for man that Allah should speak to him except by
inspiration, from behind a veil, or by sending of a messenger to reveal,
with Allah permission, what Allah wills for He is most High, Most Wise
(chapter 42 verse 51).PEACE
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Peace All,
- Prophets are the leader for mankind and they commit very much less mistake than us for sure. Why ? Because they are under constant guidance by God.
Peace All.
but that is my point, if they are constantly guided by Allah, why would they make a mistake?
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but that is my point, if they are constantly guided by Allah, why would they make a mistake?
Peace,
This is to acknowledged the human tendency of them. Also a guide to mankind not to uphold them to a level of God (Infallible), but only as the human leader. Although they make mistake they are still the best among the mankind.
And We have not sent before you any messengers except that they ate the food and walked in the market places. And We have made some of you as a trial for others to see if you will have patience. And your Lord was ever seeing.
Peace.
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Yes, I believe prophets made mistakes. If the prophets didn't err then that would mean they were perfect and only the God is perfect. Human beings can be harsh, constantly criticizing others, who are we to do so? The prophets are examples to us, heed the lessons from them. If our examples can make mistakes then we definitely will too. Making mistakes doesn't make us unrighteous people.