Dr. Subhi Mansour on the term "muhsanat" in the Koran
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You looks desperate. Without translation how you want to convey Quran messages to other non-Arabic spoken peoples. Please bear in mind that Quran was written in Arabic and it is not the Arab spoke Quran's language. Those translators translated the Quran using the Arabic language's rules and disciplines with years of study.
You need to be thankful to at least one of the caliphs as he was the one who initiate to put Prophet Muhammad's teaching into book.
NOPE. Who says it was the caliphs who put the prophets teachings into book? and who says prophets name was muhammad? look, i am not a hadither.
And why do I have to convey \qurans'' message to people who are not arabs? Look, you can find muslims in every community, whether they know quran or not, and you can find disbelievers in every community even if they know quran.
God guides whoever he wants to guide, with or without the quran, and he misguides who ever he wants, with or without the quran. There are billions of revelations from God, quran IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM is just one out of billions. So if I speak with an non-arab I would properly convey another revalation from God, maybe something scintific. Quran is for the arabs, just as you said, but its message is for the whole of humanity and this message is being revealed in several other ways.
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Are you translating Quran's words to English? You said,
What had happened to you?
How does poor master(s) possessed slave(s)?
No, I was just trying to show how contradicting the translation is.
Excately, that is why I woundered that how could the slave or master be poor.
But maybe there were some RELATIVE poor masters, who were richer before but than got poor afterwards.
It does in any case, not change the fact that a slave cannot be poor or rich since he or she does not possess something. -
Please calibrate with WhereIsTheTruth(WITT) and Noon dhe plume what should be the right translation for verse 2432. Word of the day is 'ibadi'.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=45458
Looks like renowned translators having difficulty to choose the right meaning for this particular word.
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Waankihoo al-ayama minkum waalssaliheena min AAibadikum wa-ima-ikum in yakoonoo fuqaraa yughnihimu Allahu min fadlihi waAllahu wasiAAun AAaleemunYUSUFALI Marry those among you who are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
PICKTHAL And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid-servants. If they be poor, Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.
SHAKIR And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves; if they are needy, Allah will make them free from want out of His grace; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.
KHALIFA You shall encourage those of you who are single to get married. They may marry the righteous among your male and female servants, if they are poor. GOD will enrich them from His grace. GOD is Bounteous,
FREEMINDS And marry off those among you that are single, and the good from among your male and female servants. If they are poor, then God will grant them from His grace. And God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
Sahih International And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
Or to make things simpler, can we come to agreement which English translation to be used in FreeMinds' forum discussions? I have read about our Christian brother looking for right Quran translation(s) to study Islam and by having a standard reference the path to the truth will be brighter.
The first one is closer. As I told you, ibaad means people. What distinguish ibaad from NAS is that by ibaad he means all kind of people who worship.
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NOPE. Who says it was the caliphs who put the prophets teachings into book? and who says prophets name was muhammad? look, i am not a hadither.
And why do I have to convey \qurans'' message to people who are not arabs? Look, you can find muslims in every community, whether they know quran or not, and you can find disbelievers in every community even if they know quran.
God guides whoever he wants to guide, with or without the quran, and he misguides who ever he wants, with or without the quran. There are billions of revelations from God, quran IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM is just one out of billions. So if I speak with an non-arab I would properly convey another revalation from God, maybe something scintific. Quran is for the arabs, just as you said, but its message is for the whole of humanity and this message is being revealed in several other ways.
You are in a very deep state of confusion.
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You are in a very deep state of confusion.
Why?
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Why?
- You believe in Quran but to you Muhammad is not prophet's name.
- You asked why should you convey Quran message to non Arab.
- You said Muslim community not necessary know Quran. You know what, do you watched news on TV the way the Japanese conduct themselves during crisis mode after being hit by Tsunami early this year? They queued for food, transportation and other aids. I'm so impressed.
- You said Quran is for the Arab.
- At one point of discussion you seems to defend Quran from my arguments but at certain point seems to be at my side.
- Your definition of Quran is different from others. Your soul is telling you something which against your thinking traditions.
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- You believe in Quran but to you Muhammad is not prophet's name.
- You asked why should you convey Quran message to non Arab.
- You said Muslim community not necessary know Quran. You know what, do you watched news on TV the way the Japanese conduct themselves during crisis mode after being hit by Tsunami early this year? They queued for food, transportation and other aids. I'm so impressed.
- You said Quran is for the Arab.
- At one point of discussion you seems to defend Quran from my arguments but at certain point seems to be at my side.
- Your definition of Quran is different from others. Your soul is telling you something which against your thinking traditions.
You are right, dude. But whats wrong with that? I really like contruktive critic. So if you want to give me feedback, go ahead.
The problem however, as I see it is, that your picture of islam is that of a religion with a special dogma. Let me clearify a few points
- Islam IS NOT A RELIGION
- God does NOT care about your religion, what he cares about is your actions
- MUSLIM means a submitter to God, and you achieve that status by virtue, honor, respect, good deeds and healthy thoughts.
Peace