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    unknownuser
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    Peace mmouhammad,

    Conclusions
    Kalalah is without parents only.
    ? Presence or absence of spouse is not an issue in Kalalah.
    ? Sibling inherits as alternatives to Children in v 411; parents get 1/6 each, siblings share balance.
    ? Siblings inherit as alternatives to Parents in V 412 Kalalah with children, siblings' get 1/6 each if brother or a sister or a maximum of 1/3 if more than that and the children get the balance.
    ? Siblings inherit as alternatives to both parents and children in V 4176 Kalalah w/o children.

    Please address the cases already repeated numerous times (simple math)...

    411 without children

    husband, mother, sister, brother, father
    1 -1/2 husband - 1/6 mother = 1/3 (sister + brother + father) how much to each and why?

    4176 without parents and no children

    husband, 2 sisters 1/2 + 2/3 = 1 + 1/6 why too much?

    wife, sister 1/4 + 1/2 = 3/4 why 1/4 is not allocated; who gets it?

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      Peace mmouhammad,

      Please address the cases already repeated numerous times (simple math)...

      411 without children

      husband, mother, sister, brother, father
      1 -1/2 husband (412) - 1/6 mother (411) = 1/3 (sister + brother + father) how much to each and why?

      4176 without parents and children

      husband, 2 sisters 1/2 + 2/3 = 1 1/6 -- why too much?

      wife, sister 1/4 + 1/2 = 3/4 (why 1/4 1/4 unallocate; who gets it?

      Peace Eid,

      husband, mother, sister, brother, father, 1 -1/2 husband (412) - 1/6 mother (411) = 1/3 (sister + brother + father) how much to each and why?

      1-1/2 husband (412); each parent gets 1/6 * 1/2 remainder after husband; sister and brother each 1/2 * remainder after parents -

      husband, 2 sisters 1/2 + 2/3 = 1 1/6 -- why too much?

      1/2 to husband; 2/3*remainder after husband to 2 sisters; remainder after sisters to the relatives and the orphans and the needy.

      wife, sister 1/4 + 1/2 = 3/4 (why 1/4 1/4 unallocate; who gets it?

      1/4 wife, 1/2*remainder after wife to sister; remainder after sister to the relatives and the orphans and the needy

      47
      48

      47 For the men is a portion from what the parents and the relatives left behind, and for the women is a portion from what the parents and relatives left behind, be it little or much; a forced portion.
      48 And if the distribution is attended by the relatives and the orphans and the needy, then you shall give them part of it and say to them a kind saying.

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        Peace mmouhammad,

        1-1/2 husband (412); each parent gets 1/6 * 1/2 remainder after husband; sister and brother each 1/2 * remainder after parents -

        411 states if children then parents get 1/6 (i.e. there shares are fixed)
        giving the sister and brother 1/12 each is nowhere in Qur'an; that is ruling like umar et al did in the past.

        1/2 to husband; 2/3*remainder after husband to 2 sisters; remainder after sisters to the relatives and the orphans and the needy

        1/4 wife, 1/2*remainder after wife to sister; remainder after sister to the relatives and the orphans and the needy.

        47
        48

        47 For the men is a portion from what the parents and the relatives left behind, and for the women is a portion from what the parents and relatives left behind, be it little or much; a forced portion.
        48 And if the distribution is attended by the relatives and the orphans and the needy, then you shall give them part of it and say to them a kind saying.

        That makes no sense and using that method can "fix" any theory say it goes to poor only in those special cases with a remainder. We do not have to change a thing in anyone's interpretation; you give the remainder to the poor while others like Samia flip it back to the spouse or those in the past ruled the remainder is be divided up evenly amongst all inheritors using algebra normalization or to whatever the imam of the day idea popped in his head.

        There is no remainder, and yes after inheritance is "correctly" distributed in all cases they are to be mindful of the poor.

        Peace

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          Peace Eid,

          I agree, these inheritance rules do not appear clear cut cases, one have to keep trying to understand and link verses together and run all possible scenarios with open mind, and not allowing the mind to be stuck in one position only.

          Let us take verse 411 the first 3 conditions" "; you say these condition are only applicable to children as per " ".

          From my reading, I understood that God used these conditions in other cases; let us start by verse 4176

          4176 They ask your clarification, say "God decrees you in Al-Kalalah, if a man died, not for him children, and for him a sister, so for her half what left, and he inherits her if was not for her children, ELSE IF they were two, so to them (F) the two thirds from what left, But IF they were brethren men and women so to the male luck , God clarifies for you that you (not) be misguided, and God is with everything knowledgeable.

          1. So if he has a sister and a brother then to each is 1/2 -
          2. So if he has 2 sisters then to each is 1/3 - ? this is a fourth condition applicable in Kalalah verse 4176 only when 2 sister are alone and no brothers.
          3. So if he has 2 sisters and one brother then sisters to each is 1/4 and to brother is 1/2 -
          4. so if he has 3 sisters and one brother then sisters share 2/3 and brother is 1/3 -

          Now let us take verse 412

          412 and if a man being inherited Kalalah or a women and has a brother or a sister then to each is 1/6 but if there were more than 2 they share 1/3.

          • Here God used ' ' partners, but did not specify the proportion of partnership. Are we to assume they all get equal shares?
            Well I think not and here below is how I understood the distribution
          1. Maximum share is 1/3 -
          2. sister and brother to each is 1/6 -
          3. 2 sisters and one brother partners in 1/3 - then sisters to each is 1/4 and to brother is 1/2 -
          4. so if he has 3 sisters and one brother partners in 1/3 then sisters share 2/3 and brother is 1/3 -

          Regardless how small or big the inheritance is read verse 47
          47
          A defined given share is the key here to link to what are defined given shares as it is stated at the beginning of verse 411.

          God has defined shares and inheritors under different conditions; I do not think we have any right to change any of them. The remainder in any case can be taken by the state or distributed in accordance to God's instruction in verse 48 and I really don't see why not especially since we gave the defined inheritors there defined shares as instructed. Furthermore, I think the defined share for the 2 sisters alone without brothers is also applicable in all other case that meet this condition; children included.

          One of God's rules in relation to money is to change hands. .

          I think the simple understanding was lost when people started to increase shares and block heirs to suit there political and worldly needs, just like the sons of Israel in the story of the cow in verse 2.

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            Peace mmouhammad,

            1. So if he has a sister and a brother then to each is 1/2 -

            Once again; who gets the other 1/2?

            wife, sister 1/4 + 1/2 = 3/4 leaves 1/4 unallocated (now becomes a ruling outside Quran whom to flip)

            ELSE IF husband, sister 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 which leaves nothing for the poor.

            1. So if he has 2 sisters then to each is 1/3 - ? this is a fourth condition applicable in Kalalah verse 4176 only when 2 sister are alone and no brothers.

            Once again

            husband, 2 sisters 1/2 + 2/3 = 7/6 too much; whom to takeaway 1/6?

            Else IF doing 2/3 of remainder

            wife, 2 sisters 1/4 + 2/3*1/2 = 7/12 too little; who to flip remaining 5/12?

            Above is same if 2+ daughters in 411 are presumed alone, no sons -- contradiction reason for this long thread.

            1. so if he has 3 sisters and one brother then sisters share 2/3 and brother is 1/3 -

            Cannot use ratios revolving around #of females as with children; different wording fawqa/above two 411 not there in 4176 prevents doing so.

            God has defined shares and inheritors under different conditions; I do not think we have any right to change any of them. The remainder in any case can be taken by the state or distributed in accordance to God's instruction in verse 48 and I really don't see why not especially since we gave the defined inheritors there defined shares as instructed. Furthermore, I think the defined share for the 2 sisters alone without brothers is also applicable in all other case that meet this condition; children included.

            One of God's rules in relation to money is to change hands. .

            I think the simple understanding was lost when people started to increase shares and block heirs to suit there political and worldly needs, just like the sons of Israel in the story of the cow in verse 2.

            Not what was instructed...

            father, brother is unsolvable because father cannot inherit with a sibling.

            mother, 2 sisters leaves 0 to give the father or the poor.

            1/3 mother + 2/3 sisters = 1

            Yes simple, no ambiguity, and the numbers have to equate perfectly without remainders.

            Peace

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              Peace Eid,

              Peace mmouhammad,

              father, brother is unsolvable because father cannot inherit with a sibling.

              why not, where in the Quran it said that can not be?

              mother, 2 sisters leaves 0 to give the father or the poor.

              mother 1/6; 2 sisters 2/35/6 = remainder to the relatives, orphans and needy
              Mother 1/6, father 1/6; 2 sisters 2/3
              4/6 remainder = 1/3*4/6 remainder to the relatives, orphans and needy

              1/3 mother + 2/3 sisters = 1

              mother 1/6; 2 sisters 2/3*5/6 = remainder to the relatives, orphans and needy

              Yes simple, no ambiguity, and the numbers have to equate perfectly without remainders.

              why it has to be w/o remainder, where does it say that?

              Peace

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                Peace mmouhammad,

                why not, where in the Quran it said that can not be?

                father, brother; you gave no answer how to distribute to each or to the poor.

                mother 1/6; 2 sisters 2/3*5/6 = remainder to the relatives, orphans and needy

                2/3 in 4176 is Kalala case; is this a Kalala case with the mother alive?

                Mother 1/6, father 1/6; 2 sisters 2/34/6 remainder = 1/34/6 remainder to the relatives, orphans and needy

                Same as above, not Kalala case and Qur'an...

                Fa?in ELSE IF was not for him a child, and his parents inherited him, so to his mother the 1/3

                1/3 mother + 2/3 father (2 sisters get nothing)

                why it has to be w/o remainder, where does it say that?

                wife, sister 1/4 + 1/2*1/2 = 1/2 too little; with half unallocated.

                Never a case with remainder; that is a contradiction obvious with only parents (1/3 + 2/3 = 1)

                Everyone's shares are exactly distributed according to Qur'an detailed in prior post...

                Peace all -

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                  411 God directs you in your CHILDREN, to the male equal share the two females,
                  so if they are women (daughters) over two, so for them two thirds what he left,
                  and if she was one, so for her the half?

                  A precise equation is given above revolving around the # of females; easy to visualize.

                  Here is the diagram of ratio distribution for CHILDREN?

                  http//i42.tinypic.com/2v9vo89.jpg

                  Females to males (daughters sons) ratio distributions

                  1m 2m_ 3m___ 4m

                  1f___ 11___ 11___ 11___ 11

                  2f___ 12___ 11___ 12___ 12

                  3f___ 21___ 21___ 11___ 21

                  4f___ 21___ 12___ 21___ 11

                  When there is an equal # of boys and girls, they share equally with a ratio 11

                  The above is to my understanding without contradictions and as with any topic is an exercise in logic teaching how to read Qur'an, cross-reference, etc., if it contradicts then it's our understanding at error and if you disagree with the distributions, write a will as God commands and God knows best.

                  The above is all wrong. Cannot resolve the contradiction with identical language used in 411 and 4176

                  • to the male - alike - fortune - the two females

                  411 ABOVE TWO means two or more since two is mentioned
                  4176 IF TWO means if at least two are present otherwise the case for 3 or more is unknown

                  Therefore, the girls are alone (1/2 or 2/3) in both verses else if mixed each male gets twice that of each female.

                  Algebra has to be used to keep the ratios given proportionate.

                  OK all done here.

                  Peace all.

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                    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                    Makes sense.
                    BTW, did you forget your password again or why did you change your name again?

                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                      The above is all wrong. Cannot resolve the contradiction with identical language used in 411 and 4176

                      • to the male - alike - fortune - the two females

                      411 ABOVE TWO means two or more since two is mentioned
                      4176 IF TWO means if at least two are present otherwise the case for 3 or more is unknown

                      Therefore, the girls are alone (1/2 or 2/3) in both verses else if mixed each male gets twice that of each female.

                      Algebra has to be used to keep the ratios given proportionate.

                      OK all done here.

                      Peace all.

                      The whole of the two ayas are NOT similarly formulated. There are very noticeable differences.

                      This point has been raised before in the thread.

                      Salaam

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                        Peace,

                        The whole of the two ayas are NOT similarly formulated. There are very noticeable differences.

                        This point has been raised before in the thread.

                        Salaam

                        Yes, saw it now so clearly obvious and precisely stated;
                        the one sister 1/2 or if they are two 2/3 is the case with no brothers in 4176
                        Else if mixed (like it says) then 21 male to female ratio as traditionally observed while 411 revolves around #of females.

                        he directs you God in your CHILDREN
                        to the male equal luck the two females
                        Fa?in ELSE IF they are women Fawqa/above two, so for them two thirds what left/M Taraka,
                        Wa ?In AND IF she was one, so for her the half
                        and to his parents, to each one from them the sixth from what left/Mimm Taraka, if for him was a child
                        Fa?in ELSE IF was not for him a child, and his parents inherited him, so to his mother the third,
                        Fa?in ELSE IF brethren/Ikhwatun were for him, so to his mother the sixth

                        and for you half what left/M Taraka your wives/Azwjukum, if is not for them a child,
                        Fa?in ELSE IF was for them a child, so for you the quarter from what they left/Mimm Tarakna from after a bequest/will
                        and for them the quarter from what you left/Mimm Taraktum, if was not for you a child,
                        Fa?in ELSE IF was for you a child, so for them the eight from what you left/Mimm Taraktum from after a bequest/will
                        Wa ?In AND IF was a Rajulun/man to be inherited Kallatan or a woman-spouse/'AwAmra'atun, and for him a brother, or a sister, so for each one from them the sixth,
                        Fa?in ELSE IF they were more than that, so they are partners in the third

                        They ask your clarification, say "God decrees in Al-Kallati, if human died/'Ini Amru'uun Halaka, not for him a child,
                        and for him a sister, so for her half what left/M Taraka, and he inherits her if was not for her a child,
                        Fa?in ELSE IF they were two, so to them (F) the two thirds from what left/Mimm Taraka,
                        Wa ?In AND IF they were brethren men and women
                        so to the male equal luck the two females,
                        God clarifies for you that you (not) be misguided, and God is with everything knowledgeable.

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                          herbman
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                          Salam, Peace all,

                          can you please help with simple examples.

                          Example 1
                          remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 1 girls

                          Example 2
                          remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 2 girls

                          Example 3
                          remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 3 girls

                          Example 4
                          remains only one spouse with 4 boys and 4 girls

                          Peace

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                            Peace herbman,

                            can you please help with simple examples.

                            Example 1
                            remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 1 girls

                            Example 2
                            remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 2 girls

                            Example 3
                            remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 3 girls

                            Example 4
                            remains only one spouse with 4 boys and 4 girls

                            Use following exactly as stated...

                            411
                            He directs you God in your CHILDREN
                            to the male equal luck the two girls
                            ELSE IF they are girls Fawqa/above two, so for them two thirds what left,
                            AND IF she was one, so for her the half

                            412
                            and for you half what left your wives/Azwjukum, if is not for them a child,
                            ELSE IF was for them a child, so for you the quarter from what they left from after a bequest/will
                            and for them the quarter from what you left, if was not for you a child,
                            ELSE IF was for you a child, so for them the eight from what you left from after a bequest/will

                            Using husband as spouse (remember, for children it revolves around the #of females)...

                            Example 1 remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 1 girl
                            1 - 1/4 husband = 3/4 Children (AND IF she was one, so for her the half )

                            http//www.mathcracker.com/piechartimage.php?data=2/8,%203/8,%203/8&cat=husband,%201%20boy,%201%20girl

                            Example 2 remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 2 girls
                            1 - 1/4 husband = 3/4 Children ( to the male equal luck the two girls)

                            http//www.mathcracker.com/piechartimage.php?data=2/8,%203/8,%203/8&cat=husband,%201%20boy,%202%20girls

                            Example 3 remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 3 girls
                            1 - 1/4 husband = 3/4 Children (ELSE IF they are girls Fawqa/above two, so for them two thirds what left)

                            http//www.mathcracker.com/piechartimage.php?data=1/4,%201/4,%202/4&cat=husband,%201%20boy,%203%20girls

                            Example 4 remains only one spouse with 4 boys and 4 girls
                            1 - 1/4 husband = 3/4 Children (ELSE IF they are girls Fawqa/above two, so for them two thirds what left)

                            http//www.mathcracker.com/piechartimage.php?data=3/12,%203/12,%206/12&cat=husband,%204%20boys,%204%20girls

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                              herbman
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                              Peace NunHolidayPseudoEidRex ,

                              I am sorry for the confusion but it is very informative anyway.
                              When I was mentionning spouse, I was thinking female spouse (the wife). Does it change anything to the shares?

                              Thanks

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                                Peace herbman,

                                Only change it's now 1/8 for the wife and 7/8 for the children divided with same proportions as above...

                                Example 1 remains only one spouse with 1 boy and 1 girl
                                1 - 1/8 wife = 7/8 Children (AND IF she was one, so for her the half)

                                http//www.mathcracker.com/piechartimage.php?data=2/16,%207/16,%207/16&cat=wife,%20boy,%20girl

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                                  you_gunna_eat_that
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                                  Salaam
                                  You guys may have discussed this is in the thread already but here it goes anyway.

                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10927.0
                                  Bro Ahmed Bagat gives a good response in Reply #4. He basically says...
                                  If you take the verse literally there is no scenario that discusses a parents or wifes sum with more than one child. Yet people assume that they have the flexibility to say the scenario applies to parents say if they have more than one child. This means it is quite easy to justify reproportionalization in complicated situations since the injuctions themselves are left a little open to reflection.

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                                    Peace,

                                    Salaam
                                    You guys may have discussed this is in the thread already but here it goes anyway.

                                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10927.0
                                    Bro Ahmed Bagat gives a good response in Reply #4. He basically says...
                                    If you take the verse literally there is no scenario that discusses a parents or wifes sum with more than one child. Yet people assume that they have the flexibility to say the scenario applies to parents say if they have more than one child. This means it is quite easy to justify reproportionalization in complicated situations since the injuctions themselves are left a little open to reflection.

                                    Ykumu Allhu F 'Awldikum Lildhdhakari Mithlu a??i Al-'Unthayayni
                                    He directs you God in your CHILDREN (plural possessive pronoun) ? to the male equal fortune the two females

                                    Also want to link these two threads with final summary and template below for future reference...

                                    As already stated, for a sole inheritor there is no need for inheritance ruling, and algebra cannot be applied in all cases. E.g. sole inheritor father, mother, son, sister, or brother ? either unstated or fixed value.

                                    Using algebra, Kalala can be anyone with any shortfall or excess normalized or fixed. Example one can conjecture Kalala means a person under 4 feet tall, someone with blonde hair or whatever?

                                    1 ? 1/6x father ? 1/6x mother - 1/4x wife ? 1/3 siblings ? 2/3x daughters = 0
                                    1 = 2/12x + 2/12x + 3/12x + 4/12x + 8/12x; 1 = 19/12x; x = 12/19
                                    1/612/19 = 2/19 father
                                    1/6
                                    12/19 = 2/19 mother
                                    1/412/19 = 3/19 wife
                                    1/3
                                    12/19 = 4/19 siblings
                                    2/3*12/19 = 8/19 daughters
                                    Total of distributions = 1

                                    The phrase for => 2 (i.e. presence of two or more) is given as?
                                    4176 Fa?in Knat Athnatayni Falahum Ath-Thuluthni Mimm Taraka

                                    Seems to be a way when realizing Fa?in ELSE IF when combined with Wa/Wa ?In logical AND/AND IF statements one can write a program following the exact instructions?

                                    START case CHILDREN
                                    Ykumu Allhu F 'Awldikum Lildhdhakari Mithlu a??i Al-'Unthayayni
                                    He directs you God in your CHILDREN ? to the male equal fortune the two females
                                    2 daughters; 1 son -- 1/4 + 1/4 + 1/2; males get equal share the two females
                                    2 daughters; 2 sons -- 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/3 + 1/3
                                    Fa?in Kunna Nis'an Fawqa Athnatayni Falahunna Thuluth M Taraka
                                    ELSE IF they are women over two, so for them two thirds what left
                                    1 - 2/3 daughters = 1/3 son/s; males get 1/3 when females > 2
                                    Wa ?In Knat Widatan Falah An-Nifu
                                    AND IF she was one, so for her the half
                                    1 - 1/2 daughter = 1/2 son/s; males get 1/2 when she is one

                                    START case PARENTS
                                    Wa Li'abawayhi Likulli Widin Minhum As-Sudusu Mimm Taraka 'In Kna Lahu Waladun
                                    And to his PARENTS, to each one from them the sixth from what left if for him was a child
                                    1 ? 1/6 mother/father = 5/6 CHILDREN
                                    Fa?in Lam Yakun Lahu Waladun Wa Warithahu 'Abawhu Fali'ammihi Ath-Thuluthu
                                    ELSE IF was not for him a child, and his parents inherited him, so to his mother the third
                                    1 ? 1/3 mother = 2/3 father
                                    Fa?in Kna Lahu 'Ikhwatun Fali'ammihi As-Sudusu
                                    ELSE IF Ikhwatun were for him, so to his mother the sixth
                                    1 ? 1/6 mother = 5/6 (Ikhwatun + CHILDREN); see 412 for sibling distribution
                                    1 ? 1/6 mother = 5/6 Ikhwatun; see 4176 for sibling distribution

                                    Min Badi Wayatin Y Bih 'Aw Daynin 'b'uukum Wa 'Abn'uukum L Tadrna 'Ayyuhum 'Aqrabu Lakum Nafan Faratan Mina Allhi 'Inna Allha Kna `Alman akman

                                    START case HUSBAND
                                    Wa Lakum Nifu M Taraka 'Azwjukum 'In Lam Yakun Lahunna Waladun
                                    And for you half what left your spouse, if is not for them a child
                                    1 - 1/2 husband = 1/2 father/mother
                                    Fa?in Kna Lahunna Waladun Falakumu Ar-Rubu`u Mimm Tarakna
                                    ELSE IF was for them a child, so for you the quarter from what they left
                                    1 ? 1/4 husband = 3/4 CHILDREN
                                    1 ? 1/4 husband ? 1/6 father/mother = 7/12 CHILDREN

                                    Min Ba`di Wayatin Yna Bih 'Aw Daynin

                                    START case WIFE
                                    Wa Lahunna Ar-Rubu`u Mimm Taraktum 'In Lam Yakun Lakum Waladun
                                    And for them the quarter from what you left, if was not for you a child
                                    1 ? 1/4 wife = 3/4 parent/s
                                    Fa?in Kna Lakum Waladun Falahunna Ath-Thumunu Mimm Taraktum
                                    ELSE IF was for you a child, so for them the eight from what you left
                                    1 ? 1/8 wife = 7/8 CHILDREN
                                    1 ? 1/8 wife ? 1/3 parents = 13/24 CHILDREN

                                    Min Ba`di Wayatin Tna Bih 'Aw Daynin

                                    START case Kallatan (spouse-less and father-less with child)
                                    Wa ?In Kna Rajulun Yrathu Kallatan 'Aw Amra'atun
                                    AND IF was a man to be inherited Kallatan or a woman
                                    Wa Lahu 'Akhun 'Aw 'Ukhtun Falikulli Widin Minhum As-Sudusu
                                    And for him a brother, or a sister, so for each one from them the sixth
                                    1 ? 1/6 sister/ brother = 5/6 CHILDREN
                                    1 ? 1/6 mother ? 1/6 sister/ brother = 2/3 CHILDREN
                                    Fa?in Kn 'Akthara Min Dhlika Fahum Shurak'u F Ath-Thuluthi
                                    ELSE IF they were more than that, so they are partners in the third
                                    1 ? 1/3 sister/s +brother/s = 2/3 CHILDREN
                                    1 ? 1/6 mother ? 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1/2 CHILDREN

                                    Min Badi Wayatin Y? Bih 'Aw Daynin Ghayra Murrin Wayatan Mina Allhi Wa Allhu Almun almun

                                    START case Al-Kallati (spouse-less and father-less; no child)
                                    Yastaftnaka Quli Allhu Yuftkum F Al-Kallati 'Ini Amru'uun Halaka Laysa Lahu Waladun
                                    They ask your clarification, say "God decrees in Al-Kallati, if human died, not for him a child
                                    Wa Lahu 'Ukhtun Falah Nifu M Taraka
                                    And for him a sister, so for her half what left
                                    1 - 1/2 sister = 1/2 mother
                                    Wa Huwa Yarithuh 'In Lam Yakun Lah Waladun
                                    And he inherits her if was not for her a child
                                    1 = brother; 0 = mother
                                    Fa?in Knat Athnatayni Falahum Ath-Thuluthni Mimm Taraka
                                    ELSE IF they were two, so to them (F) the two thirds from what left
                                    1 ? 2/3 sisters = 1/3 mother
                                    Wa ?In Kn 'Ikhwatan Rijlan Wa Nis'an Falildhdhakari Mithlu a??i Al-'Unthayayni
                                    AND IF they were 'Ikhwatan Rijlan and Nis'an so to the male equal fortune the two females
                                    1 sister; 1 brother -- 1/3 + 2/3
                                    3 sisters; 2 brothers -- 1/7 + 1/7 + 1/7 + 2/7 + 2/7
                                    1 ? 1/6 mother = 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s); males get equal share the two females

                                    Yubayyinu Allhu Lakum 'An Taill Wa Allhu Bikulli Shay'in `Almun
                                    Clarifies God for you that you are (not) misguided and God is with all things knowledgeable.

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                                      peace Nun,

                                      Thanks for your regular input on this subject.

                                      Personally, I have not studied it, but I would like to see an online Quran inheritance calculator one day, where users type in the amount and answer a few questions on their situation, and it works out inheritance shares etc.

                                      Only of course, if it was built upon the correct understanding.

                                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                        Salaam Nun,

                                        You're continued contribution to this thread is very impressive

                                        The topic of inheritance is something that is raised in practically every Islamophobic/anti-Islam site.

                                        If I may, I just wanted to suggest that as the resident expert you write up a thorough article of it to be posted in the articles section, and that way thousands of others could benefit from it being easily accessible and linked to.

                                        Just a suggestion

                                        Thanks and Salaam

                                        فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
                                        So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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                                          Hi all,

                                          I think you should also look at this book about this matter

                                          '''''NO ERROR
                                          IN QUR?AN!

                                          ACCORDNG TO QUR?AN

                                          Division of Inheritance

                                          assoc. prof. dr. eng. halis aydemir

                                          No matter in which language you write the words of 'Qu'ran' and 'error'; when you search in the internet, first examples you see in the sites will be about the ones concerning the claim of error related with the inheritance verses in Qur'an. You will see the explanations with these verses in detail and the criticism of how these verses cannot be applied mathematically with some practical examples as well!

                                          Whether such approach directed to Qu'ran is evil-minded or querier is not related with the essence of the issue; in conclusion there is a challenge pointed out mathematically in such critiques and this condition cannot be ignored.

                                          It is out of question that the inheritance division by God is not appropriate mathematically. God is the creator of humankind and the science of mathematics. Now then, it is impossible that God proposes an imperfect division mathematically. It is possible to find similar expressions in corresponding sites.

                                          Therefore, each so-called error to be found in Qu'ran has been transformed into an argument directing to weaken or confute the truth of its being apocalyptic. The claim concerning the inheritance divisions is one of the the most discussed examples and comes to minds first.

                                          While we're discussing about inheritance divisions during Qu'ran Courses that we carried out in the public meetings in Qu'ran Research Foundation (KURAV) auditoriums, we also evaluated this subject mathematically with contributions of my dear friends. Visual and audial records of this activity is available on the website kurandersleri.net. Thanks to inspirations from some of our friends saying that the results we acquired are a little bit different, remarkable and original, we find it acceptable to broadcast by publishing a book.

                                          This study has been prepared as a result of such collective approach. Contrary to popular belief, it is not established on the base of interpretation. It has been carried out on the platform where source text has been considered literally and the differences encountered in formal plan have not been ignored.

                                          I believe that the ones considering the inheritance divisions verses subjected to several speculations until now, one more time from the perspective of this book will realize in a little while that they face with a real mathematical miracle rather than a problematic challenge in number.

                                          Download this book from this site

                                          http//www.quraanicstudies.com/no-error-in-qur-an-division-of-inheritance-according-to-quran/

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