Msjid Al Haraam
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Salaams All,
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YUSUFALI So from whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; and wheresoever ye are, Turn your face thither that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and ye May (consent to) be guided;
PICKTHAL Whencesoever thou comest forth turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship; and wheresoever ye may be (O Muslims) turn your faces toward it (when ye pray) so that men may have no argument against you, save such of them as do injustice - Fear them not, but fear Me! - and so that I may complete My grace upon you, and that ye may be guided.
SHAKIR And from whatsoever place you come forth, turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque; and wherever you are turn your faces towards it, so that people shall have no accusation against you, except such of them as are unjust; so do not fear them, and fear Me, that I may complete My favor on you and that you may walk on the right course.So from above what causes .....
disputes, arguments, accusations?
God bless.
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I like it
Cross-reference it with other verses, let's see where this goes. Because if we remember, "Hajj" also can mean debating. An annual hajj = parliament?
Beautiful thinking.
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Salaams OPF,
Actually i think a better wording for it might be "tarnishing/ criminal activities" rather then general law.
This is as the believers are to prevent the Mushriks from enterring or approaching "the Masjid Al Haraam"
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O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Forbidden Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.God Blessl.
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brother, doesn't "haram" in this context mean something closer to "pure" or "sanctified" as opposed to "off-limits"?
i voted "house of God". which can have a literal as well as figurative meaning. we are not always near to the physical house of God's worship, but capacity to worship God is with us wherever we are.
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Peace,
I voted "other" because I'm not sure what masjid al haram is. but it can be a parliament where the debates are held or in another word the Government.Maria
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brother, doesn't "haram" in this context mean something closer to "pure" or "sanctified" as opposed to "off-limits"?
i voted "house of God". which can have a literal as well as figurative meaning. we are not always near to the physical house of God's worship, but capacity to worship God is with us wherever we are.
Br. you need to read sura nine ayah's 1-28, to see ;
the Mushriks where breaking their pledges, killing - doing mischievous things and if it happened in any nation the good people will no doubt take up arms and stop the Mushriks from doing such things- thus try and keep them at bay with threat if need be.
Life, people are precious things and it was and is Haram to attack them without cause and the law is there to keep the criminals at bay- i think.
God Bless All.
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I voted 'other', as I understand it to mean God's laws -- not the laws of the land.
Of course when considering the laws in the quran, but how about nations where the quran isn't the norm, where they follow but the laws of the land- does God play a part in the creation of those laws or not?
hmm
God Bless All.
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I understand what you're driving at, however I have to stand on my opinion - as the laws of the land are not "haram / inviolable", they're just the laws of the land and can easily be transgressed by anyone at anytime without necessarily the transgressor suffering the repercussions of breaking the law. How many times have you speeded in your car and not gotten caught????
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I understand what you're driving at, however I have to stand on my opinion - as the laws of the land are not "haram / inviolable", they're just the laws of the land and can easily be transgressed by anyone at anytime without necessarily the transgressor suffering the repercussions of breaking the law. How many times have you speeded in your car and not gotten caught????
God's law is not "inviolable", well, physics aside. Quranic law, commandments, etc, are not inviolable. And haram =/= inviolable ONLY.
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You've mis-seen and then misinterpreted what I wrote. I wrote 'God's law'. I didn't write, nor did I mean 'Qur'anic law'. There's a big difference.
- I didn't write that haram ONLY means inviolable. It is one meaning, and a valid meaning that is by no means obscure and is just as valid as the other meanings.
I still stand by what understand and what I've written.
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Br. Ilisa,
God's laws
Which Gods Law is that which doesn't need safe guarding by humans? Is it the laws of nature or something?
Thanks.
Salaams.
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Br. Ilisa,
Which Gods Law is that which doesn't need safe guarding by humans? Is it the laws of nature or something?
Thanks.
Salaams.
Good point. There is no way to "turn pagans from al-masjid al-haram" if the latter is denoted to mean God's inviolable law, because well, pagans exist.
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OPF -First of all, what is your definition of 'pagan'? A person who......?
And simple - to my understanding, God's laws = the laws of 'nature' or of 'physics', and in the end are laws we must respect or suffer sure and often severe consequences, by this are then 'inviolable' in an ultimate sense. There are people who don't recognize this fact - either out of ignorance or arrogance, so do not act by those laws, and so, are the losers by meeting their fate at the end for having believe that they could violate them.
Does it make sense?
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OPF -First of all, what is your definition of 'pagan'? A person who......?
And simple - to my understanding, God's laws = the laws of 'nature' or of 'physics', and in the end are laws we must respect or suffer sure and often severe consequences, by this are then 'inviolable' in an ultimate sense. There are people who don't recognize this fact - either out of ignorance or arrogance, so do not act by those laws, and so, are the losers by meeting their fate at the end for having believe that they could violate them.
Does it make sense?
Salaams Br. Ilisa,
Do not kill, Do not steal........
or the Ten Commandments.
And i think all of them can be violated.
Are These Gods Laws?
Thanks.
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Salaams simple,
(BTW I'm 'Sr'
Those are proscriptions from God for those who know, read, and understand the Qur'an; and, indeed, are easily violable, -- so quite different from 'msjd al haram', eh? People who've never read a 'holy book' can know the 'inviolable laws' through experience and observation -- not true of the ones written in the Qur'an, necessarily.
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Salaams simple,
(BTW I'm 'Sr'
Those are proscriptions from God for those who know, read, and understand the Qur'an; and, indeed, are easily violable, -- so quite different from 'msjd al haram', eh? People who've never read a 'holy book' can know the 'inviolable laws' through experience and observation -- not true of the ones written in the Qur'an, necessarily.
I thought you accepted that haram does not 100% mean "inviolable"? You don't see people physically restrained from eating pork do you?
not true of the ones written in the Qur'an, necessarily.
Are you really so sure of that?
