Ariel interview with an agel. Anybody read this?
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Peace all,
Just want to know anybody had read this book? I just felt like i've been guided to buy this book. So I bought and read it. Cuz i always curious to know about the angel. So i think i want to share it with you guys what i learned. Please be aware that this may shake some of your current belief (i am shaken too. But i want to face it)
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It's about Linda that is interviewing Stevan who is the medium from the other realm channel called Ariel. Simply put Ariel the angel. They talks about what is about the other realm. Probably the angelic or God's realm?. The unique thing is Ariel uses to describe itself as 'We'. That rings my bell on Quran. Same like Gabriel. They say that they wanted to convey the message of love to human. They've been working for our so called centuries to guide us and help us to serve the God. Whereas God in their terms is the unity. The one. They also doesn't have the feeling to be labeled, named, ranked. They say that we're all connected. The animals, the plants, the earth, the universe, is all in one big God system. Once we really connect then you'll get to know the 'knowing', the knowledge. It's just the Ego that's been blocking that thought. And Communion (salat) to God with full love to the Creator is the key. The differences between them and us human is we got Ego (i think it's satan) with us. The Ego that drives fear, pride, greed and all that negative things. That makes us want to rank people. Label people as good and evil. right or wrong. Cower ourselves, runaway from reality etc. For them they see us as unique. with the free will that they consider very precious gift from God. They always in commune with God. Like in this case this Angel main purpose is to spread the message of Love. Most of the topic goes around spirituality not on hereafter. The unknown side of the other realm. Also explains about life and death. Also about E.T. And it claims that movie E.T. was of they're inspiration (call it divine). Aliens (they don't like the term alien) do exist. They're just waiting the right time to say hi to us. Cuz most of us now would be scared and may attack them back if seen. Like a person that is caring and wanted to heal an injured dog. The dog would want to bite because it felt threatened.
A lot of thing that they said is actually beyond our comprehension. Beyond our mind understanding. It did say about Jesus, but sadly not about Quran. Cuz both of them probably from Christian background. And karma, reincarnation do exist. (started to contradict with my current belief). And they say not to listen too much on the doom sayers cuz it'll inflict fear the heart. They also said about the second coming. It's not physical (i'e the coming of Jesus), but it already came. (I think it's the computer age, like Quran prophesied about da'ba). Too bad Linda didn't ask about Islam and Quran and the Judgment day cuz they're from Christian background and its 1994. Hell and heaven is from ourselves (it is true i belief. For the mean time that we live now). The pain and suffering that we got is all hell. So one must eliminate that fear that cause the pain and suffering to feel the heaven, pleasure and love (remember the river flowing beneath?). And when we're dead, we'll return to the source (Matrix anyone?). The God. The one. All the souls experiences that had been collected will be brought with us too.
Science itself is actually a belief. Religion is a belief. Both are a system that they have guided and some who make Ego as their God and some make the system itself (sunni everyone?) as their God and are blinded (they cannot influence people who does not sincerely belief, ego manifested) by this. All has it's own purpose. Working in balance and harmony. For them there's no tragedy. All that happened has it's purpose, it's an event by itself. Even when the victim was killed by the victimizer is actually is one of the process of developing the soul. A test for the victim and the victimizer. Martydom is true. When they belief they'd die in the cause of God, they are actually suppressing the fear and brought down ego to it's knee. For them it is a joyful moment seeing human actually developing their souls. And a sad moment when seeing a soul is in distress, blocking their soul and let the fear and ego manifest.
There's a lot to say, one of the beautiful thing is that, they always tell a story, an example or analogy that can make us understand better. And their words, like they are not from this world. Just like in Quran. Most of the statements are aligned with Quran (like the communion, pray, the contributing towards betterment, Pilgrimage, Marriage, giving love, doing good, focal point, guides). But some are aligned with other beliefs (Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity etc). I think all belief system is like a puzzle. Once we connect and understand all of them, then we can see the actual truth. Like Adam & Eve story. It's the message behind it that's important. Not the physical of it, the earthly term of it. And the actual truth is for me now is a bit shaking with my current belief (Quran alone). Maybe God will tell me after i went through this test. Still it is interesting to read this. Right now i felt blank. Lost. Like reset to zero. Kinda hard to pray and connect to God now. Cuz i felt shaken. It's shaken really hard cuz deep down i felt like been scammed by them. (They've already warned about shaking the belief). I guess to go up one more level, to always be in communion with the Creator, we have to face this. Face our own inner fear. Like sufism in Islam.
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The feeling that i felt is like what Morpheus had felt when he knew from Neo that there is no prophecy. Felt like cheated by the Oracle. >(**End Spoiler
Today i've been searching about the The Matrix movie connection with the Divine inspiration. I found that there's a current theory about "Divine Matrix". Gregg Braden has a lot to say about this. Interestingly the question that he raised is actually what Ariel has been talking about. The love power. The eliminating the fear. Putting emotions on top rather than just thoughts and doubts.
The movie Matrix itself is actually a combination of most of the belief systems into a new philosophy (New Age? Second Coming?).
I search more and i found this site, Its promoting about oneness. (forget the pendant that it is selling). But the theory about the matrix is close to what Ariel had said too. I like to Quote
"But, along the way, the Human Matrix consciousness forgot the truth that it was co-creating with the One. It disconnected from the One and started to create its own reality inside the Matrix of Life, creating an ego. The ego has become so self-absorbed that it has created it own energy source called ?fear?."
There is some deep message there. We just need to piece all the mosaic of life. (Like Ariel always said)
I hope i'm not promoting any books or items. But it is a priceless Gem for anybody who is seeking more to feed their soul.
Share me more of your thoughts.
Thanks
Peace.
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My faith is restored. Yay. I guess i have to reformat my mind, upgrade my operating system. Readjust my current focal point to true One. Cuz my current focal point is at looking at other peoples mistake (i'm sorry sunnis, may God forgive me) and kinda feel arrogant to think that God had favored me instead of others (again, i apologize sunnis). Also rather than hoping, feel that it will happen. Use the power of will. It's more than just free-will actually. After assimilating this with Quran knowledge, your heart will feel stronger. You'll understand how the system works.
I believe that angel message is true after i read these verse. This is God mercy upon those who reflect.
67 And if We had sent down to you a scripture already written on paper, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have rejected would say "This is but clear magic!"
68 And they said "If only an angel were sent down to us?" But if We had sent down an angel, then the matter would be over, and they would not be reprieved.
69 And if We had chosen an angel, We would have made him appear as a man, and We would have confused them in what they already are confused.
610 Messengers before you were ridiculed; but those who mocked them suffered the consequences of what they ridiculed.According to 69 i did get confused. What the angel says is really confusing at first. A lot of out of this world words. But later on, after reflecting back to God words, it's clear again (still not all though, still a lot seek). Just have to learn to get closer to Him. To be always in communion, just like the prophets did. To be His true servant. To be honest i can feel the fear inside me blocking me to tell others about this. I hope this is a first step for us.
And for reincarnation, it's easy for God
8021 Then He made him die and buried him.
8022 Then if He wishes He resurrects him.Anything Good is from God.
479 Any good that befalls you is from God, and any bad that befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.
Karma is normal. you do good (sincerely) you got that good back (physical and spiritual), do bad, you got that bad back (got caught, humiliation, pain etc).
And that Ariel is just a messenger and the medium Stevan is just medium, nothing more, don't mistake them as God.
Quran has had it's purpose on us to guide and remind us to God and hereafter. It did lead me to this. If i don't interested in Quran i won't be finding this. It's time for the big hijrah for the mind. The big migration. Migration is good for your soul. I would like to call you guys too. You'll know that it's true after you sincerely read it.
Felt kinda like Neo that sees all around him like numbers. The river flowing beneath is peace added with the remembrance to God effect, looking at His blessings feeling of humble and prostrating to the The One, The Creator. Try going to any river flowing beneath and look around at His creation. I'm sure you'll felt some kind of a nice feeling.
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I am glad you have found peace.
But your first post on this thread made me remember. The reason why you are listning to all this other stuff is because you are still searching and have not truly beleived yet. All hat is required is to live your life right as specified in the Quran. Then you can just get on with life itself instead of chasing for meaning. This is my personal experience of what I was doing myself soem time ago.
I have travelled down that road of trying to assimilate new age theory with the Islam - and somewhere along the line you end up getting lost - though you will not understand that you are lost unless God grants you soem blessings in disguise.. I used to be a healer - kind of like a channel, but only when I hit a brick wall did I realise that I had no prooof whether my source was from the Divine (or angels) or from satan. I came then to really understand first hand the workings and intentions of satan - he needs to appear as if he is speaking the truth and all is making sense.... The experience made me also question whter what prophet Muhammed faced was really angelic or not - but then I read the Quran and it's guidance and it makes greater sense than without it.
Personally I do beleive I have had some kind of direct extra-terristial contact - but the fear I felt from the experiences was defenitely not of the Divine type. And I was never in pursuit of such experiences I just wanted to make myself useful on this earth. And I also happen to beleive that the reason for my fear I felt with the ET contact was because of how God made all souls witness the truth before we were born.
I do appreciate teh aspect about ego etc - but I wouldn't go so far as to say that all fear is a bad thing.
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Wow cool. A channeler. Can tell us some of the experiences that made you think it's a word from satan? maybe some quotes?
Yes Quran authenticates all things that we found. It is truly a guide from God. So true. sun . Its not about chasing the meaning. It's about following the inner voice (which i believe a guide from God). But must be filtered though. Cuz sometimes ego can influence that guide. That in the end will lead us to the final destiny. Returning to Him, to Eden, Heaven or whatever God wants to reward.
Fear is not that bad. we can't run away from it. It's inside us. Our nature. But we must learn to know it. Then we can control it. And maybe change it to something positive. If I say fear is bad, that would mean i am afraid of fear. I feared fear ???. So it goes round and round, never ending. And we'd got lost from it. I guess the best fear is fear to the Creator. That's the best way. Cuz if we fear God, it means others are same like us. All are created from Him and'll return to Him. So no need to fear this worldly life. But i have to admit i still has some problem grasping this cuz i still have some fear to this worldly life (losing job, got scolded, bitten by dog etc). To totally fear God, whoa that's something, only a few can achieve that. You won't even fear a cobra in front of you hissing. Cuz you'll know even if you dead, you'll return to the Him. Even if it's painful, it's just a worldly pain. God will protect you. I still haven't faced this kind of fear yet (like near death experience or lost of loved ones or extreme pain). But i'm trying to set my mind to be ready for this kind of thing (though i always pray i won't face it). But it could happen. If this kind of feeling is an energy, and according to rule of energy, it can be transformed to something else or transfered to somewhere else, so maybe we can counter it with love or transfer it to God. Just my 2 cents on fear.
Wow i don't know i could write this. But that's what comes out from my mind. It reminded me to always fear God.
Peace.
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I didn't mean to say that channelling as a concept by itself is from satan or that it is referenced as so in the Quran - I just mean that from my experience all of the new age stuff (channellling & sufism included) is not part of montheism but rather part of the satanic movement.
It is too difficult to explain my alll my life experiences here which in total have led to the bigger picture that I am describing here.
I think there is a real satanic movement - it is not just that satan is confined to our egos alone (for that is what the new age movement would have you beleive). I think the ego is not really referenced in the Quran though it may stand for pride. Anyhow I would rather beleive that any misbehaviours are as a result of the whispers of satan - as what would have happened with Adam and Eve - they being the primary examples of what we are talking about here.
As for the inner voice - it is hard to discern what this really is. Personally I go with feelings as the real indicator. Of course soemtimes we do get flashes of intuition as well - but in all honesty you may think you are doing the right thing by your inner voice - but may it not also be the whispers of satan?
I don't think that it is in any way wrong to be scared of things ie losing job and being bitten by dog or fearing teh cobra are o.k when it means you have to observe your duties to your employer or keep your children safe from dogs or snakes - but to not fear such would be the whispers of satan over-riding our natural God-given instinct.
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Also I would just like to add that through my experience I came to understand that the annhilation of fear is one of the tactics used by the new age movements to conquer you - by drawing on this they are able to lower your natural defence mechanism against them. Whether this you call it facing the ETs or facing the unknown in whatever form that may be.
I would say do fear disobeying God's natural design of instinct bestowed on you and stay away from the the dark side of matters - when it does not feel right at the first instance.
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Can you tell me what makes you think it is a satan movement? Like some deceptive, evil or poly or atheistic quotes or activities? I did some surfings on this Gregg Braden (a.k.a New Age prophet) at first they say his book is great (Divine Matrix if i'm not mistaken) with his science proven story. Then he started to get weird when he release a book called God Code. He claimed that our DNA got a code of god in Hebrew. Yahweh with weird unproven theories (like Rashad Khalifa did). Some of his believers/book fans starts to critics about his pseudo-science theory. That's all i know now about this New Age thing.
Like us, we got the wisdom of Quran. And 479 says that everything good is from God, it is us who wronged ourselves. It's my standard to filter things around me. What i'm trying to see is beyond this to reflect and find the hidden messages. There might be some kind of message behind this. The book that I suggested in the early post is first published on 1994. Long before Matrix movie came. Why would satan ask us to believe in Love and the One? Though i do admit that message do got distorted due to human intrepetation (we are full of mistakes). But good things that come from the inner voice, is i believe is from God. If not from God it's from his servant. The angels, or human messanger, or the universe around us, or the computer itself. What i want to try to call to is to look beyond this worldly desires. Remember God can do whatever he wishes. Think things that is outside of this worldly illusion. And I would not dare to reject anything good from the Creator. But i think we should also reflect what's happening around us too. Maybe there's a new revelation is lingering around.
I hope history won't repeat again. Like when Quran is revealed, the Jews and Nazarenes rejects them. And if new revalation came now, would we reject them cuz we want to believe in Quran only? Would we idolize the Quran? Would we say all the others are from satan? And forget the mercy from God? Please don't get me wrong. I'm not rejecting Quran. Nor rejecting other scriptures. But Quran do gives us clues about the signs of God. And i want to hold it as my guide and light my way.
Maybe later i'll copy some of the words from that book. Stay tune ;D
Peace
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You still sound like you are searching for something more - for more hidden meaning to your life. I have already said that all that is required is outlined in the Quran - the only other thing you need to do is get on with your life - with your trade or seeking of knowledege - if that be from reality itself (such as for example finding about the workings of a car - but not from other's interterpretation/conjecture on life - which is rather the tree that you appear to be wanting to go up.
I have outlined how satan works - by using truth and then mixing with falshood. The movement is also good at lowering your defences so to easily gain you.
And 479 says that everything good is from God, it is us who wronged ourselves. - Personally I think it is talking about what happens to us and what does not happen as concequences in our earthly lives. Not about man-made concepts. For example in Quranic terms you can not give unconditional love to everything (as the newage stuff advocates) - because some things are clearly evil - and we are ordered to not to love that. You also can not dismiss things out of apathy - because you are enjoined to fight for righteousness - so the way of total love is a contradiction in the way of the Quran.
I am only saying all of this because I have been where you are and these are the insights I gained after travelling there with sincerity and dedication.
Maybe there's a new revelation is lingering around. - that may be the way of misguidance. The right path has been set from when were made to witness.
Why would satan ask us to believe in Love and the One? - this is easy to answer - to lower one's defence mechanism as the way of deceit.
I hope history won't repeat again. Like when Quran is revealed, the Jews and Nazarenes rejects them. - I don't know why you are saying this when I already whole heartedly embraced it all only to discover that I had been misguided. Your statement may have held more weight if I had not been there. the Quran is a guidance and for understanding - it is not to be followed blindly like following an idol.
After coming to the realisation of my misguidance I threw out all of my new age books (of over 50 or so) that I had collected. So I am afraid that I will be reluctant to read on excerpts that you may be posting.
Anyhow besides all of that - I feel being a true submitter is hard enough as it is when I see so many people sincerely intending to be Muslims yet easily disobeying Allah without realising. In a nut shell it is easy to do even do zikr in Allah's name and still be walking through fire. So I would be careful where I walk.
All the best
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Peace Fadhli,
I also read alot of "new age" stuff. And it is flawed because there is such a thing as good and evil. And one of the reasons you can know it is from Satan is this26224 And the poets, are followed by the strayers.
26225 Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26226 And that what they say, is not what they do!These "new age" authors are merely after a wage, what they say is not what they do. For they claim to be unmaterialistic, yet they are after followers, they are selling you their literature for money. They want you to disregard morality and embrace something ambigious called "love". Yet morality is key to being a good person. Otherwise you might as well love hitler or the person who is murdering your children, or the person who is stealing from you. Its not how the world works. There are clear paths of righteousness and the outline is within the Quran.
What good have these books done to the world? all they do is make you disregard God's Laws. I feel they try and blur the lines between Good and Evil and that is a terrible thing to do. Because the reality is, Evil does not equal good, so they are liars!
3218 Is one who was a believer the same as one who was wicked? They are not the same.
4521 Or do those who work evil expect that We would treat them the same as those who believe and do good works, in their present life and their death? Miserable is how they judge.
New age is a path towards apathy, and ultimately doing evil because you no longer have clear rules and are following whatever you feel like.
Clearly they are not inspired, they have so many contradictions in their philosophy.
Peace
Al
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Great post aalmakto.
I totally agree. Magic and these new and old "financial fantasy fiction" stuff is a waste of time and energy, and slowly misguide us by bringing us away from truth/reality. Illusions and hallucinations. If they were truth there would be proofs for it, and people would show us in the public, without any dark lights or tables or other items which are used for their schemes.
Peace,
David -
Great post aalmakto.
I totally agree. Magic and these new and old "financial fantasy fiction" stuff is a waste of time and energy, and slowly misguide us by bringing us away from truth/reality. Illusions and hallucinations. If they were truth there would be proofs for it, and people would show us in the public, without any dark lights or tables or other items which are used for their schemes.
Peace,
DavidThank you bro,
They are magicians. May God guide us on the Straight path, and may we shun the paths that have been revealed as false.Peace
Al -
I thank you for your advices and concern. At least take a look at this. Maybe you guys see something that i did not see.
Search For God (from Ariel)
It is inherent within the very nature of being human, primarily based on fear, to try to comprehend, to try to understand and to try to know God. It is the one thing that drives all people of all reces, of all times, of all levels of prosperity and of all states of health. By its very nature, however, the minds as it inhabits a human body through this aspect called ego creates tremendous fear. The ego is doomed to a constant process of creating fear or squelch the fear.
The one thing that even a very strongly directed ego-conciousness knows is that the source, the thing that can stop the fear, is this thing called god. So driven by a desire to be at peace, to be without fear and to be safe, humankind has constantly sought this thing that you label as God. There are many paths to try to describe the indescribable and many models attempting to model that which cannot be modeled. Any system devised to describe or model God is at best, an approximation of truth -- at best, in one of your expressions, the tip of the iceberg -- but is not the totality.
There are two paths that are most profound paths to attempt to explain this mystery. Neither path will succeed; neither path can succeed.
One path is that spirituality or religion, which becomes a highly refined, philosophical process of building layer upon layer of understanding, attempting to help those who seek to know God. But all religion -- no matter what system it is presented in or what name you give it, no matter what philosophy, structure, politics or doctrines it follows -- is but a vehicle to attempt to allow you to know God directly.
Unfortunately, some people become lost in the system or the religion and, as result, it becomes God to them. You should always remember the system is simply a vehicle intended to support you in understanding that we cannot understood. It is designed to propel you into a direct experience of God, which is beyond understanding, through a process we have called knowing.
The other path is of science. It is also designed to help you understand that which cannot be understood. This model scientifically approaches an understanding of the beginning of creation of the universe. If you were to step back and put down all bias, judgement, you would see that both are attempting to explain, in different language and from different viewpoint, the identical thing.
Both are correct, although both are different. The problem is that both are trying from within God to describe God. The only way to describe something -- the only way to model it -- is to step outside of it where you can observe it, where you can see it in every facet of its complexity. You cannot model the operation of a human cells unless you can step outside outside and look at one, test one, sample one. From inside a cell, you could never understand its complexity. The dillemma the human mind faces is that there is nowhere it can go such that it can step outside of God and look back. Such place does not exist in human mind.
In questions such as this theoretical approach of the big bang, the obvious extensions are Who created it? Who created the matter from which that matter did not exist? will there ever be a time before which that matter does not exist? Only those who know God, who have met God through direct experience, can begin to fathom the answers to such questions. Religion and science are developing very precise, accurate and wonderful models, which due to poliics, seem to compete each other.
There is no competition, no right or wrong other than what the human mind fabricates. The goal is to know God. The goal is to find and meet God.
What do you guys think?
Thanks again for your sincere concern ).
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There is no competition, no right or wrong other than what the human mind fabricates. The goal is to know God. The goal is to find and meet God.
What do you guys think?
Peace Fadhli,
No offense to you Fadhli, but I have a question to the authors of this book. If the authors were poverty stricken in africa and there were tyrants raping their women and stealing their land I highly doubt they would believe this. This goes completely against the Quran and common sense. I ask the authors to bring proof instead make up conjecture. Pharoah followed his Satan's whispers and he concluded he was God!3620 And a man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying "O my people, follow the messengers."
3621 "Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided."
3622 "And why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return?"
3623 "Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Almighty intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me."
3624 "Then I would be clearly astray."
3625 "I have believed in your Lord, so listen to me!"These Gurus who publish books. Do ask for a wage. They have no proof and they have no morals (they themselves advocate a world with no morals).
And not only that, if they were to be stricken with hardship, their belief will bring them no comfort, they will reject this partner they have set up.If you believe nothing matters in this world and righteous deeds count for nothing, then I have to say
1096 "To you is your system, and to me is mine."
These people are human and like all humans will call out to God when they face hardship. Whether they are righteous or not will be seen once the hardship has left them.
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Aamalko - These "new age" authors are merely after a wage, what they say is not what they do. I wouldn't go by that as rule of identyfying misguided people. Misguidance may come in all shapes and guises - I personally was more involved with healing my family and wanted to do my work without charging people for it but accpted that I needed some additional strategy to bring me wages and was sincerely trying to think of ways to respectfully do that. Charging people for helping them was never part of my personal consciousness. I'm just saying this to express how not everyone is out to be a crook - it may be that the misguidance they are pursuing - they are just not understanding it for what it is. My 'healing ' chapter' was for one year of my life and there was another previous year spent with my 'conditioning' towards that path. I had set out on the path in order to be a good and 'holy' person with a life purpose for the benefit of other people - and especially because people of all creeds around me did not make sense. If I could see religious people doing me wrong - then something had to be wrong with religion itself and there was my vulnerability in being taken over to the other side.
These people are human and like all humans will call out to God when they face hardship. Whether they are righteous or not will be seen once the hardship has left them. - In my personal experience these people do not call out to God in their hardships - because they are so far from knowing Him. They ignore their hardhsips and fight against the resons for their hardships almost like they are fighting against God. They think they are the owners of their lives and that is why they remain there and continue to go up the same path without any recourse and their misguided ways only strengthen in conviction as part of their comfort strategy.
Then there are certainly those who started out with intentions to gain power - therefore it is their objective giving them success which they become attached to and which sustains them through it. The fear of losing power prevents them from calling on God. Sincerity most usually is not a word that they recognise. This time I say this not from personal expereince of what I was doing but of personal observations of the others that I was attempting to learn from. It is their discrepancies in their being logded in my consciousness that also eventually helped pieces of the bigger picture fit together.
The last point I have to say is that - yes magic does exist and is real and so are many other things - but they are not part of our purpose as decreed by the Quran. I don't beleive that they are part of the straight path. I say this out of direct personal experience - not simply because the Quran says so.
Establish your trade and do good works and abide by the Quran - that I feel is all that is required of us as humans in this day and age.
Fadhli - I would count yourself blessed to have received the explicit guidance presented on this thread before being seriously taken over. I myself was not blessed with any such warnings - I'm sure that had I been - then my conscience would have firmly resolved and I would not have gone there. To the contrary - my loved one supported and encouraged me to go there.
Blessings
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The third category of people - and I dare say that there were three groups of people pertaning to my experience - are the ones who have totally given over to the dark side - that is they have become agents of the dark side almost as if they beilvie in that force whetehr it be wrong or right they do nto care. These are the ones always trying to annhilate fear in people.
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Surah 7 Al Araf V11 ?.not so Iblis; he refused to be of those who bow down V13 (Allah) said ?Get thee down from this it is not for thee to be arrogant here get out, for thou Art the meanest (of creatures).? V14 Give me respite till the day they are raised up.? V15 (Allah) said; ?Be thou amongst those who have respite.? V16 He said ?Because Thou hast thrown me out of the way, Lo I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way V17 ?Then I will assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left?.V20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, in order to reveal to them their shame?V21 And he swore to them both that he was their sincere advisor.
Surah 4 Al Nisa V117 (The Pagans) leaving Him call upon but female deities they call upon Satan the persistent rebel. V118 Allah did curse him, but he said ?I will take of thy servants a portion marked off; ? I will mislead them??.and to deface the fair nature created by Allah.? V120 Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan?s promises are nothing but deception.
Surah 2 Al Baqarah V102 ?. The evil ones teaching men magic, and such things?? V204 There is a type of man whose speech about this world?s life may dazzle thee, and he calls Allah to witness about what is in his heart; yet he is the most contentious of enemies.
Surah 26 Al Shu ara V221 Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend? V222 They descend on every lying wicked person. V223 (into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars?.
Surah 18 Al Kahf V103 Say ?Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? V104 ?Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works
Surah 12 V106 And most of them believe not In Allah without associating (others as partners) with Him.
Surah 7 Al Araf V3 Follow (O men!) the revelation given unto from your Lord, and follow not as friends or protectors, other than Him?.V33 Say the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners against Allah, for which He has given no authority?..
Surah 22 Al Hajj V11 There are among men some who serve Allah. As it were on the verge. If good befalls them they are therewith, well content; but if a trial comes to them, they turn on their faces; they lose both this world and the hereafter; that is loss for all to see! V12 They call on such deities besides Allah, as can neither Hurt nor profit them; That is straying far indeed from the way!
Surah 22 Al Hajj V11 There are among men some who serve Allah. As it were on the verge. If good befalls them they are therewith, well content; but if a trial comes to them, they turn on their faces; they lose both this world and the hereafter; that is loss for all to see! V12 They call on such deities besides Allah, as can neither Hurt nor profit them; That is straying far indeed from the way!V13 (Perhaps they call on one whose hurt is nearer Than his profit; evil, indeed, Is the patron, and evil the companion (for help) V31 Being true in faith to Allah. And never assigning partners to Him if anyone assigns partners to Allah, he is As if he had fallen from heaven and been snatched up by birds or the wind had swooped and thrown him In to a far-distant place. V54 And that those on whom Knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the Quran is the truth From thy Lord, and that they may believe therein,and their hearts may be made humbly (open) to it for verily Allah is The Guide of those who believe to the straight Way. V62 That is because Allah ? He Is the Reality, and those besides Him whom they invoke ? They are but vain Falsehood Verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great. V21 Yet they worship, besides Allah., things for which no authority has been sent down to them, and of which they have (really) no knowledge; For those that do wrong there is no helper. V78 And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline) He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you In religion it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is he who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witness for mankind! So establish regular prayer, Give regular charity, And hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector ? The best to protect And the best to help!
Surah 18 V103 Say ?Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? V104 ?Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works
Surah 6 Al Anam V93 Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah, or said, ?I have received inspiration.? When he hath received none, or (again) who saith??? V56 Say ?I am forbidden to worship those ? other than Allah ? whom ye call upon.? Say ?I will not follow your vain desires if I did I would stray from the path, and be not of the company of those who receive guidance.
Surah 5 Al Maidah V3 This is day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you
Surah 6 Al Anam V100 Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns? V112 Likewise did We make for every messenger an enemy ? evil ones among men and Jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception?
Surah 10 Yunus V107 If Allah doth touch thee with hurt, there is none can remove it but He If he doth design some benefit for thee, there is none can keep back his favour He causeth it to reach whomsoever of His servants He pleaseth?
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Please, comment more, I'm not offended, for me it's healthy for my experience and brings balance to my mind. I just want to hear other comments and thoughts on this. Maybe someone who had read that book.
To allmakto please check the first link that i gave about the book. The writer is there. FYI, that's the first book and the only one that i bought about spirituality. Please don't be wicked by demanding proofs about God's blessings and creations. Even if he showed solid proofs, you still won't believe it. So no point of asking proofs. It's either you want to reflect or reject. I do believe character that being interviewed in the book is not from a man, it's from something that is not known to us.
Yes i do admit that they are gaining profits out of that book. That's why we should not follow him. And that book can become deities. Even that Ariel can become deities. Yes i agree people can easily misunderstand this and in the end call upon that channeler or Ariel for help instead of God. Whereas the message there is to submit to God. Just like in Muhammad or Jesus times. When they conveyed God's message, people followed them. It's ok for Muhammad's followers to follow him because God say's so. But after he died, they started to idolize him and make him as deiteis to be called upon. But think about it. If you're a Christian at that time. Really believe to the teachings. I'm pretty sure you'll think Muhammad's call to submit to God is false. It is from satan, it's magic, tale's of the past, just a poetry, you'd want to reject it. Yes Muhammad did not seek wage. But there is a verse in Quran that says to give contribution when meeting Muhammad. (please help me clarify, i forgot where the verse is). What would you think if you hear those kinds of verse (imagine that you are the unbelievers)? surely those disbelievers would think that they are just false, just making money for their own interest, seeking popularity etc. So to simplify, those hardcore Christians/Jews (people of the scripture) would simply reject those Quran revelations at that time except a few who reflect. So would Quran aloners/free-minders/19'ers (people of the scriptures) now would reject any new revelations? I believe messenger is not the last, only prophet.
From my observation. That book is first published in 1994. If you search on Google, you won't find much about it. Maybe because it's old, or unpopular now. And that's the only recorded interview that they had. I don't know why they did not published a series of interview of it. That channeler guy is making money by training people about IET(TM). Some kind of energy healing training. Even the interviewer, had it's own publications (Edin Publications). Not much book that she sells. And they're not that known to people, only among those energy healing kinda guys. And humandesign seemed to not know this guy and this book yet right?
I'm not into magic or channeling stuff. I don't even know how to do it. I did tried myself to connect subconsciously, but i can't, even tried telephatic, telekenisis, seek the knowledge of future all those cool magic stuff, but it didn't happen (maybe someday -[). I don't have 50 books or more or magical experiences. I just want to reflect what God wanted to show us. And not create a line just inside Quran boundaries. There's more inside Quran and others scriptures that we did not see. For example what do you guys think about Hajj? Previously after i came to free-mind, i think the sunnis/shias are mistaken. Mecca is not the place of Hajj, Kaaba is not the qibla etc based on the articles that i read. It's all about showing other people mistakes, telling that we are right they are wrong, and maybe be proud of it. But after i reflect a bit (after reading that book), i came to see the hidden message behind it. The true purpose is to take a journey, face the hardships, restrictions, sacrifices and at the end face the God and be thankful for the help and provisions that He gave. I'm sure you gonna feel very peaceful, very close to Him, because all the tiredness of running, collecting money to go to Mecca, shaving head, and all other rituals. These rituals, must not be done if you're not sincere to do it for God. Or do it because other people says so, or afraid that the Hajj would nulled if disobey the restrictions. But we must feel the rituals, or create our own rituals, be creative, or maybe innovate with the intention of wanted to show God that you're thankful to Him, appreciative that He had created you and give all the blessings that you could live up to this time and be able to get close to Him. I came to this thinking when I accidentally read a Bible about King David at the last chapter. It's written that he had created temples, statues, made of Gold, onyx, etc and make sacrifices and feed it's citizens with it (he's rich, so he's capable to do that). He got rid of his stinginess of this worldly desires with the intention of showing to God his appreciation to Him, his thankfulness to Him. Just like Muhammad in Quran about Hajj, or Abraham, or others that has the same intention. For us we might see it as contradicting rituals. But for them it's their personal biggest offer to God that they could think if. To show God their appreciation and reverence to Him.
Those verses that you showed, i could just reverse it back to you. See what i mean? I could just write just like the bold text that you make it bold. My intention is same like yours, reminding. So to reflect, I guess in the end we have our own believe and way to show our appreciation to Him. So i want to respect your belief. But i do want to offer more. Just in case anybody wanted it. Kinda like, i just show the door, you have to walk through it. And for the book, at first i was thinking of plagirizing it and paste it here and cut his profits. But i guess it's better to think that they deserve their reward for publishing that book (sincere or not, let God judge them). And only a sincere person who wanted to understand it would buy it. Remember, money is just a worldly desires, it's just a piece of paper, don't become stingy. But with a sincere intention to God, that piece of paper of our worldly value, will become ten folds reward from the God. Spend it also for other good cause. Plus it is copyrighted. So to obey the ulul amr's, i guess better not copy and publicize it without permission.
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Nobody is saying that the current interpretation of the Quran is the only interpretation or that it is thoroughly correct. We are free to examine and understand it in line with our levels of consciousness.
You kept asking for quotes and when I give it - instead of taking them seriously you tell me that you could just as easily turn it around on me. This is not about me - you were enquiring about the reading and taking seriously of the matter of Ariel and I was responding to that.
Even I have in the main tried to give my own life examples and tried to direct you to common sense.
It appears as though you already had your mind made up and are not open to listening.
I'm afraid that to me you appear to be deaf and blinded as has been warned in the Quran. Take offense if you will - but I prefer to be honest.
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Concerning the quotes, I was expecting quotes or sayings (not from quran) from your experience of channeling and magics (any satanic mantra) that make you thought it was from satan. Just examples. Doesn't have to be specific. Did you remember any? I apologize, i guess i'm not clear on the words earlier. My bad
Funny huh, and i thought you were blind and deaf. I guess that's a good thing that we're are already holding at the rope of Allah.
It's not kinda made up my mind. It's kinda like evolved . Though it can still change, it takes time. But i guess everybody will experience it. I sincerely want thank you for your concerns and replies.
Peace
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Here is a sequence of my personal events if it may help shed more light
I sought for understanding outside of religion - because I felt the meaning of life had to be more than the hypocrisy that I saw the Muslims around me living.
I came to new age stuff in the name of spirituality and oneness - (inclusive of many books talking about angel expereinces, channelling etc) Gurus preaching humanitarian aims, healing techniques and natural living teachings. I still believed in God and felt that everything was being directed to Him.
I came to meet the AUTHORS IN PERSON - I was able to witness first-hand HOW THE AUTHORS/Gurus/teachers LACKED IN INTEGRITY. I came to know and understand that you can not judge a book by it's contents - because you do not get to see the source/author for who they really are - whether or not they are living their life with integrity. And when you do see that they are not of integrity, then how can you trust entirely what they are saying?
Anyhow I reasoned that nothing is black and white - I could take the good and leave the bad. I signed on and received intiatiations from them and ultimately allowed them to program with me with their conjecture. It was also harder for me to stay true to my conscience as I then also married someone who was following a Guru and so if I ever turned to him with any questions he would direct me away from my doubts.
I continued with the new age appraoches. They preached that we are masters of our own being and so only we ouselves are to blame for any failures - failures to do exactly as they decree. I kept accumulating one after the other, different new age ways in my 'portfolio of ways to higher being' and felt this to be an endless task. All of them preached with a different slant - there is no such thing as all of the authors being completely united - they all held contradictions to each other - meaning that they all sought following each of themselves only - whoever it was that you were listening to - if you wanted to be a sincere student and follower you would not be able to follow all of them. But if you want to remain an 'open' person working to 'perceive' from the outside then you naturally want to see and engage with the all of the world. then the question remains - should not truth be all encompassing such that no contradictions remain - to this they mention about endless probabilities and dual worlds.
But I came upon defintie stumbling blocks - their philosphy had major holes, the methods were not simple - whether I was practicing myself or for others - the methods did not bring miraculaous success so thereby I became trapped in such matter continuously engaging for the sake of reaching that point of success. Throughout this process the holes in their philosopies just keep getting bigger and bigger in my consciousness and I sought to address them in the ways that I knew how but still staying in line with following of spiritual truths (new ageism).
I had also previously been healthy but I seemed to be developing unexplained illnesses - their reasoning is that you are not doing enough or are not doing their stuff right. So you just get trapped in engaging with it all more fervently. I also was able to note first hand the immediate psychological effects after healing people - they reduced in morality. I was supposed to be channeling from higher vibrationary forces and using angels. They will say it is only temporary type of reaction to bring out true characters of people before it subsides. Anyhow - for me this was a major puzzle peice that fit together at the end.
Eventually I reached a plateau of supernatural experiences that shook my entire being such that I felt so spiritually lost like never before. I was in deeep existential turmoil. I had tried to only do good and yet I faced such unreassuring experiences. At that point I cried to God and then the inner voice directed me to the meaning of the words of the first verse of the Quran 'You alone do we worship and you alone do we ask for help' This was the most significant point. As I embraced the words over and over again and as I did so I felt releif and healed from the 'bionic 'state I was in. Whenever the expereinces started coming to me I would repeat the verse and feel relief.
I reasearched with determination on the matter I was engaged in and was led to definitons of the occult for the first time. I came to understand that what I thought were angels may be satan in disguise and I realised how angels were not MEANT TO BE UPON but God alone - 'YOU ALONE DO WE ASK FOR HELP'. I considered if I needed to have some kind of spiritual cleansing done on me by a Christian or Muslim priest but then I was again reminded of 'You alone do we ask for help'. So I persisted with that and have done and felt major relief. I then began 'seeing' Muslim visions which I instantly rejected as I felt I could no longer trust my 'supernatural sense'. With the 'God alone' realisation I came to understand how many things in life had become contrary to that - such as medication and all therapies. What was needed was to honour the human design that God had created us with instead of messing about with our bodies and minds.
I researched on the net for a 'God alone' group and I came to this forum. Thereafter I was directed to read up on the Quran. As I did so - many things made sense - yet issues remained such as hajj and sacrificing of animals etc. I had been aware of translations of the Quran being subjective but did not realise the extent of it until I have more recently come to read about Aidid's website. I am currently investigating this. I am grateful to God for the way my eyes are opening.
I give thanks to God that my health has been restored and have not felt as good since before I embarked on the healing matter over a year ago. I have no issues in life at the moment other than trying to find what to do with my life that is in line with my conscience and ethics and will also enable me to live with society.
I hope that helps shed more light.