Ariel interview with an agel. Anybody read this?
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Just one other point of emphasis -
Angels are not meant to be called upon - but God alone - 'YOU ALONE DO WE ASK FOR HELP'. Rather angels are sent by God's instructions to carry out His decree after you have requested for God's help. The good thing with calling on God alone is that then there can be no confusion about mixing up Angels with satan in disguise.
That is my current level of understanding.
I think I have covered now as much as I needed to say. I have no interest in referencing the specific satanic mantras and do see the harm in it rather than the point of it.
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Interesting story. Thank you for sharing it with us. Seems like the major hole in that is it has some kind of a ritual right? surely it involves calling upon other deities? And the side effect (moral change) seems like some kind of jinn has attached to that patient. Or maybe the patient itself is weak in spirit. Does it involve blood? I guess the problem is at where the focal point is at when calling. Focal point should be to God alone. And not to angels (might accidentally be satan), or the master or deceased master.
I read some verses in Levicitus, Most of the rituals to give offerings to God involve blood of the Livestock (Ram or Cattle). And strictly to God only not to Idol or Molten God (at that time is the golden calf). I guess that is God demand (through Moses) to the children of Israel after releasing them from Egypt. All those wonders (Snake, frogs, blood river, plagues etc), requires a lot of faith power i guess ) .
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There is no ritual involved with being a healer - once you are initaited you can place your hands on the area or issue to be healed and as if by magic the energies flow through the hands. No there is no blood involved.
But I was not talking about only the healing appraoch having holes in it - I am talking about all of the entire new age appraoches and theories and teachers/gurus. My experience is not limited to just being a healer but to the whole world of New age approaches to mind body and soul connection. All of the people had holes in them all of the theories and appraoches had holes in them! I am feeling also that you are not heeding the words of the others when you are limiting it all to just because of some sort of ritual that I may have followed.
However in terms of being a healer I did opt to employ a process - I have almost forgotten what I used to do - but breifly - The beleif was in one God the first and foremost assistance was requested God and then to ANY angels who may want to come and assist to do their work. There were no mention of any specif angel names - it was just a general request. In the healing process the calling was to the universal energy rather than God - though it started by requesting to God for help.
Yes - by such a process the jinn is likely to have come attached.
Initially I held the questions/doubts about waht I was getting in to but I beleiveds I was later programmed off from it by many differnt and deliberate angles (due to everything I wa engaiging in). I do beleive that there is a bigger darker force underplaying it all - meaning there are likely to be agents that have totally submitted to the dark side and are working to realise their original challenge to God.
And so I say to you - we really have no idea who Ariel really is - do we? In my last post when I was refering to not calling upon angels it was meant in reference to Ariel.
Lets also not ignore that I was born as a Muslim - and always believed in one God - so calling upon any diety would never have been part of my consciousness. But obviously it is not hard for satan to get clever and mislead people by deceit. Also - I would include various Quranic prayers in my daily practices - such as the first verse of the Quran and the Christian prayer 'Our father thou art in heaven'.
Perhaps it is because of these prayers that helped to take me out of it. Though I did not realise the true significance of 'You alone do we seek help' until the end expereince. In any case the end point made me realise far more many things than I could have ever realised by simple study of all of theese matters. I was studying natural health, nutrition, chinese medicine etc etc with the aim of becoming a natural health practitioner. And so when I am talking about God alone I really and truly am talking against the submitting to all the different systems invented by man - mental health theories; medical treatments (bar say emergency surgery procedures - though perhaps a true submitter would perhaps submit To God's will and die!), instituitionalised education etc etc. They are not in line with the natural human design way of living our life - which is really all that is required to stay free of problems in our life - whether health wise or mental wise.
Also it is easy to say that such and such may become a God and idol but we fail to realise that the act of our paying attention to it in itself is what makes it that way - not some eventual tangible activity or ritual. And this is because it has an implication - it is taking to you step by step closer to the dark side and 'sucking' your attention that could be utilised in more 'pure' attentive work.
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Here's some of my responses to the original material you have posted about what Ariel has said
The Ego that drives fear, pride, greed and all that negative things. That makes us want to rank people. Label people as good and evil. right or wrong. Cower ourselves, runaway from reality etc.
The Quran advocates that people?s behaviours do need to be judged and challenged (particualrly when they are engaging in injustice). In my days of new agism I tried to not judge people - but you end up feeling crazy in situations that just do not feel right, yet you feel trapped to stay quiet and bear it all.
And it claims that movie E.T. was of they're inspiration (call it divine).
E. T was directed and produced by Spielberg. This name is Jewish ? in any case - if this film was of divine inspiration why is Spielberg with all his power not effectively and directly putting a stop to the wars going on? In my expereince people already blinded have a hard enough time understanding direct messages - understanding messages about love with aliens is a far cry. I do beleive that we are commanded in the Quran to be direct (enter not through the back doors) and lets not forget the movie made lots of money.
Aliens (they don't like the term alien) do exist. They're just waiting the right time to say hi to us. Cuz most of us now would be scared and may attack them back if seen.
No ? because they may in fact be from the dark side and by saying this they are trying to lower your defences to accept them. So ? when I started having my third-eye scary expereinces ? I tried my best to dispel the fear I was feeling with it and accept it all as part of 'not fearing the unknown' ? until the end experience when I realised that the concpt of 'no fear' was not just a fallacy but part of a dark plan.
Too bad Linda didn't ask about Islam and Quran and the Judgment day cuz they're from Christian background and its 1994.
Had this been asked - most likely a positive answer would have been given ? so to dispel fear and lower the defence mechanism of ?Muslims?
and are blinded (they cannot influence people who does not sincerely belief, ego manifested)
They are saying that it is not possible to have egoless people not buying in to their conjecture. It is only those people with egos who will not buy in to them. This is nothing different to the cult strategy employed by New age gurus and teachers - the psychological strategy of guilt - that you can only be a good when you are with them. Also defeinitely in the matter of people's behaviours - the world is not black and white ? anything is always possible ? so I would not trust anyone who categorises people with ' if A then C' behaviours. Perhaps I know this only if because of all the stereoptypes that I have not been able to fit in to.
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huh - did I say love with aliens??? ???
HMMmmmm..... more than likely that was just another fear reduction excercise rather than preaching for 'love is all around us'. >D
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Hmm a lot to say, i don't know where to start. But from your experiences, seems like that third eye is scary. And a lot of dark side things in your experiences. I can feel the darkness looming when reading your post. So basically I don't want to argue with you nor uphold things that i have no knowledge or experience of. So what i say is just what my humanly consciousness can comprehend now. Hopefully i could clear some things in my mind.
And so I say to you - we really have no idea who Ariel really is - do we? In my last post when I was reffering to not calling upon angels it was meant in reference to Ariel.
I don't know or haven't seen any channeling of an angel, but we also don't know who or what Gabriel is right? How did it contacted Muhammad during his time, is it continuously or sometimes. But there some verses that tells us that their followers are waiting for any verses of decision coming (somewhere on sura 9). But the process is somewhat happened when the person is meditating sincerely or in a situation where he don't know what to do. One thing that I'm not clear about Muhammad is why did he went to cave Hira' at the first time? It is easy for us to accept Quran? What if the Quran itself is a part of the dark plan since we believe that it came from angel Gabriel? Look at those Shias and Sunnis. They are fighting among themselves. And the hating towards Jews and Christian is unbelievable (from our perspective). I was a Sunni, previously i have no doubt on hating towards Jews and Christians cuz I cannot question about it. But now I can't hate anybody, nor willing to hate anybody cuz we are all came from the same origin. The Creator.
But obviously it is not hard for satan to get clever and mislead people by deceit.
Yes it's not hard for them. They can whisper to us anywhere anytime. Not just while healing or meditating. Correct? Like they can whisper evil to any political leaders, and it could cause a ripple where their followers are kinda like hypnotized by it and followed them. It's easy for them to influence us when we didn't remember the God. And it's easy for God to harden our heart to forget Him too (that's scary). Those who already forget about God has already become their agents, so to speak.
The point is, like what you did now is good. We are getting aware of the satan's deceit. But not all are satan's deceit. I admit i still have a long way to go. God willing maybe i have to experience what you had experienced. Or maybe not. But i don't think i should stop here. I'd also like to see the God's creation. One thing for sure, i won't find any Guru or Master to learn (not about New age, but about His creation). I'll just ask God to teach me (if He willed) and ask for His refuge (if He willed). That's the right thing to do right?
And so when I am talking about God alone I really and truly am talking against the submitting to all the different systems invented by man - mental health theories; medical treatments (bar say emergency surgery procedures - though perhaps a true submitter would perhaps submit To God's will and die!), instituitionalised education etc etc. They are not in line with the natural human design way of living our life - which is really all that is required to stay free of problems in our life - whether health wise or mental wise.
Erm maybe i'm wrong, but how do you define natural human design? Is your scope are on natural medicine? Spritual medicine? or is it just asking God for help? I hope i'm not doubting God's power, but most people got stuck in this illusion/image that we call reality. Medicine is one of God's creations. There are many types of medicine that we can use. But one must realize, even the most expensive medicine, if God does not willed that it happen, it won't. Even Quran says, dates and honey is one of the medicine.
Is every human invented systems actually came from man? Is it not from inspiration? ideas? or from the sincerety to understand and help others? All those mental, medical health things are part of our evolution. Without it, i don't think we could evolved up to what we are now. Of course God loves those who submit to His will. But only a few have willed to Submit to Him, others are attached to this worldly desires. But still there will be at some point (those whom God wills), they had to ask only to God because they felt they had no other choices. Like what you did, you've won already.
And death, only those who experienced it knows. But most of them can't get back to tell the tale. When the time comes we'll know.
For the second post,
About judging, we had to judge, It's our nature. Like you said, we are naturally living our life. But the problem is, how do we know that what we are judging is the right one? Like i said earlier, we have to understand how this works (i.e what is fear, what is love etc.) to understand what we judge is the correct one or not. And Quran also advices to judge with equal measures. That is what i'm trying to do. To see all the good and the bad. And judge based on the findings that i've seen, heard or read.
All and all, what you shared from your experience is unique by itself. I really appreciate your willing to share with us about it. Those experiences that you felt seems traumatizing to me. I want to reflect it, maybe i'll learn something about it. I've said what i needed to say. I guess we better not argue with further. It makes us forgot where we should focus ourselves on. Better "utilise it on more 'pure' attentive work". Right? )
May God bless us.
Thanks
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Thankyou for highlighting me to some issues to reflect on more deeply.
What if the Quran itself is a part of the dark plan since we believe that it came from angel Gabriel?
well I am sorry abotu this situation - but I already got there before you - remember I was the one who first highlighted this as possible ambiguity? And I also answered it - the system (of mainly following one God) described within the Quran both saved me from what I expereinced and aswell saves me from turning to those satanic ways. So again I say it was a thought that came to me after my last experience but when I eventually looked in to the guidance from the Quran many things becamse clear and I could really see how I had been lost before. Secondly teh divinity, the miracle of the Quran I easily see is contained within itself in it's messages and in it's righteousness. I don't see the same with Ariel or with others - they have many discrepancies as what I have tried to highlight in this thread.
I did meditation 99% everyday for over a year before the 'healing' chapter in my life. I am talking about transcendental meditation not just sitting quietly. I also happen to know of personally many people still engaged in such ways. In my personal opnion - mediation does not lift a person morally higher - you can go places and download information and you can feel 'differnet' but it does not compensate for the moral conscious system advocated for in the Quran. . Though it's possible that meditation may reduce a persons morality through the attachment of jinn etc.
It's good that you feel you can't hate anyone - but I feel that inline with the Quranic guidance you should hate a person's behaviours if they are behaviours of injustice towards another person.
Yes I guess satan can attack from anywhere not just in meditation or from following other's conjecture -but following the system of the Quran would allow for the best damge limitation.
In my personal experience political leaders are not interested in listening to God - they are interested in God listening to them so that they may bring their personal agenda to fruition - whether that be a humanitarian or power based goal it does not matter.
Don't get me wrong - many people have helped towards good change in this world. But ultimately there is a difference between thinking that you have all the answers for yourself or otherwise 'submitting' to God's will and His system...
I am not against going to see God's creation - as I advocated before - seek knowledge but I would not advocate for the seeking of man-made interpretation/theory. The Quran advocates for observation.
I don't think that anybody will claim that they are new age - it is just a term that I have used to identify the current satanic movement on the whole.
My definition of Natural Human Design Avoiding problems before they occur. I.e why does person feel ill usually because something has been wrong in the diet or lifestyle or thinking. Prevention rather than cure so I am not really a beleiver in conventional medicine - just a beleiver in right living as a cure in itself.
Obeying the laws of nature - sleeping when we feel seepy, not suppressing our urge to go to the toilet when we feel like it, eating natural food as per want/desire rather than rules on how to eat what to eat when to eat it. Eating whole foods without manufactured additives - not Unprocessed foods - so I have no problem with honey and dates - (in fact it is very possible that what is meant in the Quran is that they are highly nutritous food as opposed to having a direct/specific drug/medication effect on an isolated illness). Not taking isolated and manufactured drug mediction/vitamin pills, not advocating that one must only stay to raw food for salvation as a human being or that one must entirely be vegetarian, not following theories about food but desires on what to eat, not having special needs children strapped to contraptions all day so that they are made to stand upright in one place all in the name of physiotherapy.
http//www.newstarget.com/022330.html - you are right without the medical models and artificial foods, we would not be where we are right now.
In my mind most medical systems have truth mixed in with perversion.
Not just medicine - but we are all part of God's creation - even the dark side. I think rather you probably meant that medicine is a blessing from God. Well I think that the only real blessing we can have is in returning to the straight path. Medicine may bring temporary relief for our problems - but we will not have addressed the cause, and more than likely it will in some way have suppressed what our body was naturally trying to deal with and get over. In the Quran it mentions that 'every illness is caused by sin' and there is another somewhere that says 'There is a cure for every disease except death'
how do we know that what we are judging is the right one?
This is easy to answer - we do so inline with our consciousness in terms of what feels right. The rest we leave to God - to either help us to realise the truth and straight path - most likely this would result from teh concequences of our actions. That way we ge to learn and grow in wisdom. Of course we are blessed to also have the Quran as guidance.I guess all that remains for me to say is that go in line with your levels of consciousness and understanding and stay true to that. But remeber I hope you will remember two things
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that I started my journey in the new age world with the frame of mind that I woudl take what's good and leave the bad - but I found the the bad comes after you faster than you know how to say 'no - this is not what I want'.
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that it is the way of satan to deceive - to mix truth with falsehood so that you your natural defence mechanism is lowered.
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It's good that you feel you can't hate anyone - but I feel that inline with the Quranic guidance you should hate a person's behaviours if they are behaviours of injustice towards another person.
Erm yeah, unless I'm oppressed or saving other people or fighting for the sake of God, that's a different story. Still, i'd like to stay at the "No Hate" mode, looking on the peaceful side rather than saving those hatred feelings. At the end it's our choice. ;D
In my personal experience political leaders are not interested in listening to God - they are interested in God listening to them so that they may bring their personal agenda to fruition - whether that be a humanitarian or power based goal it does not matter.
Spot on!. They're too busy campaigning. ;D
This is easy to answer - we do so inline with our consciousness in terms of what feels right.
I guess this is what makes people argue (or worst fight/war) all the time. But as long as we stick to God as the final judge, i guess that should be fine.
Humans are always hasty, i hope we're not one of 'em . Brother i'll keep your advice and place it in my heart. Thanks a million. handshake
Peace.
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I am your sister!
LOL - just goes to show how much you may not have beeing paying attention to my rants - I know I quoted my husband somewhere. rotfl yay eat muscle -X -*Best wishes
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Dear Sisters Fadhli and Humandesign,
I just wanted to say how much I thoroughly enjoyed your exchanges. It was very enlightening. Even though I have complete faith that God is running EVERYTHING, every sub atomic particle, 24/7, and that the Quran is indeed God's word and message to us, I am only human and still struggle with being content. Lately is seems to be a constant test that God is putting me through. Reading your posts help give me some perspective. Thank you for all that you shared.
May God continue to bless and guide us all.
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Dear 'I beleive',
I see from some of your other posts that like me you are also new to this forum. I hope you find peace and resolve for anything you may be facing. In all honesty I have found experience to be the greatest teacher and whereby you come full circle to understand that you knew the truth all along.
Yes - I think where differing viewpoints are concerned, dialogue is probably good for helping to move towards equilibrium point in a given society.
Oh and also - I Know that Fadhli in his writings comes accross as female yes it's what I also thought......but I have seen some other post of Fadhlis' in another thread to indicate the he is in fact male!
Hope that clarifies the situation on our gender identities - not that it really matters of course though perhaps it is good that each of us has managed to extend ourselves to the opposite gender handshake
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Oh and also - I Know that Fadhli in his writings comes accross as female yes it's what I also thought......but I have seen some other post of Fadhlis' in another thread to indicate the he is in fact male!
I would like to verify that it is true. ;D
I felt glad, joyful and thankful to God that someone had a positive understanding and help to open a new perspective on our exchange of thoughts. Felt like we are purposely guided to comment like that. Maybe it's because of our prayer that we ended up like this. ) ) ) ;D ;D
Peace jedi