the Abdallah's name in the Quran (I want your opinion)

unknownuser

Peace Abdallah,

I hoped if you studied the subject which I have shared with you I think better to lose your time on clear things , the Quran is protected by the number 19 also is a numbered Book (Kitabun Marqum) I hink it's not from the wisdom to talk with people on a subject like that because is already confirmed to all the world...

I posted this earlier; that book is NOT Qur'an and it clearly states who's book the numbered book is, read

837-9

Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin
No but that truly the debauchers'/corrupters' Book/judgment (is) in (E) Sijjin.

Wama adraka ma sijjeenun
And what made you know/informed you what (is) Sijjin?

Kitabun marqoomun
A written/branded/inscribed Book.

the gematrical value of the Word Abdallah 142 ( Ain = 70 , Ba= 2 , Da = 4 , Alef = 1 , lam = 30 , Lam = 30 , Ha = 5 ) = (7+0+2+4+1+3+0+3+0+5 = 25 = (19+30 ) = 25+1+9+3+0 = 38 + (72+19) = 38 +7+2+1+9 = 57 (19*3)
also egual

Ain = 70 , Ba= 2 , Da = 4 , Alef = 1 , lam = 30 , Lam = 30 , Ha = 5

7! Factorial = 7x6x5x4x3x2x1 = 5,040 possible names with same result

This is called working the problem backwards;

Desired OUTPUT = cherry picked INPUT
Step 1 Choose Name
Step 2 Consult Infinite19 Tables
Step 3 Find {gv of name} = some number x 19

This is baby math pandering to the naive as a cheap magicians trick to deceive from the truth.

Read Qur'an especially verses above, not that other book (Kitabun Marqum).

Peace

jonny_k

Peace "nu de plume",

Peace jonny_k,

I asked a simple question and still waiting for an answer

Why 11, then 20? 80, then 91? (9127-128 skip), then 100? 1140?

http//www.submission.org/suras/sura1.htm
In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

http//www.submission.org/suras/sura114.html
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

JK- The verse numbered 0, the Bismillah, IS STILL A VERSE ONLY UNNUMBERED. This is made clear by the following significant observed phenomenom. When we count the four words we obtain xles of 19 CONSITENTLY if we exlude all the counts of the terms in all the unnumbered Bismillahs, except the very first 11(Note sura 1&9 do not have the unnumbered verse 0) BUT if wer counting initials we get xples of 19 AGAIN CONSISTENTLY IF we do include the letters in the unumbered Bismillah. This is indicative that these verses are REAL, PART OF THE QURAN but at the same time they are also not numbered and hence play a unique role in the overall mathemaical system. Also it's 9128&129 NOT 127&129. The former destroy the signicance of a mathematical pattern completely and hence GOD is showing us that those two verses do NOT belong to the Quran. The prediction of the common "saad" speled "bastatan in the Quran actually having to be spelled with "seen" was already indicated b the math pattern and later confirmed within the oldest available manuscripts as bro Edip pted out in his argument. Now we can further predict should we find even older manuscripts/original ones we wont find in them 9128&129. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace "nu de plume",

JK- The verse numbered 0, the Bismillah, IS STILL A VERSE ONLY UNNUMBERED. This is made clear by the following significant observed phenomenom. When we count the four words we obtain xles of 19 CONSITENTLY if we exlude all the counts of the terms in all the unnumbered Bismillahs, except the very first 11(Note sura 1&9 do not have the unnumbered verse 0) BUT if wer counting initials we get xples of 19 AGAIN CONSISTENTLY IF we do include the letters in the unumbered Bismillah. This is indicative that these verses are REAL, PART OF THE QURAN but at the same time they are also not numbered and hence play a unique role in the overall mathemaical system. Also it's 9128&129 NOT 127&129. The former destroy the signicance of a mathematical pattern completely and hence GOD is showing us that those two verses do NOT belong to the Quran. The prediction of the common "saad" speled "bastatan in the Quran actually having to be spelled with "seen" was already indicated b the math pattern and later confirmed within the oldest available manuscripts as bro Edip pted out in his argument. Now we can further predict should we find even older manuscripts/original ones we wont find in them 9128&129. GOD Bless!

Peace jonny_k,

That?s the point ? this is selective what to include/exclude and there?s no certainty on 127 either and what is true/false.

Inna nahnu nazzalna alththikra wa-inna lahu lahafithoona
That We, We descended the reminder/remembrance, and that We (are) for it, protectors/guards.

Implication is the above verse is also false, and people were being deceived for over a thousand years.

As a last example
Shakir Noon.
Khalifa NuN,
Free Minds N,
Recital of Sura Al-Qalam ?LISTEN? to this?

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwAduMG_IR8

It's clear above that which is clear revelation ? that is the Qur?an.

He is who descended on you The Book, from it (are) perfected/tightened verses, they are (F) The Book's origin/mother, and others resembling/ambiguous/obscure, so but those who in their hearts/minds (is) deviation from truth, so they follow what resembled from it, asking/desiring the treason and asking/desiring its interpretation/explanation, and none knows its interpretation/explanation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say "We believed with it, all/each (is) from at our Lord, and none remember/mention except (those) of the pure minds/intelligence."

unknownuser

Peace "OPF",

JK- http//19.org/index.php?id=26,57,0,0,1,0 (Five parts)
The falsifiability is simple. Show that the counts above are incorrect or statistically insignificant(+ve stats evidence being provided in the article above) and the phenomena of a pattern disappears. Same be done with other counts eg that of the words in the Bismillah each occurring a xple of 19 times. GOD Bless!

Thanks. I'm tied up at the moment (not literally o) but I'll have a look.

jonny_k

Peace "nun de plume",

Peace jonny_k,

That?s the point ? this is selective what to include/exclude and there?s no certainty on 127 either and what is true/false.

JK- It is NOT selective by any means. Initially it was but then a pattern emerged as by using the SAME COUNTING METHODS we got a string of related items like the four words in the Bismillah consitently occuring in xples of 19. Thats not selecive anymore and even Martin Gardener was fascinated by just that and this is just an extract from the other complexities.

Inna nahnu nazzalna alththikra wa-inna lahu lahafithoona
That We, We descended the reminder/remembrance, and that We (are) for it, protectors/guards.

Implication is the above verse is also false, and people were being deceived for over a thousand years.

As a last example
Shakir Noon.
Khalifa NuN,
Free Minds N,
Recital of Sura Al-Qalam ?LISTEN? to this?

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwAduMG_IR8

It's clear above that which is clear revelation ? that is the Qur?an.

He is who descended on you The Book, from it (are) perfected/tightened verses, they are (F) The Book's origin/mother, and others resembling/ambiguous/obscure, so but those who in their hearts/minds (is) deviation from truth, so they follow what resembled from it, asking/desiring the treason and asking/desiring its interpretation/explanation, and none knows its interpretation/explanation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say "We believed with it, all/each (is) from at our Lord, and none remember/mention except (those) of the pure minds/intelligence."

JK- Man ive explained this years ago. The key quetion is "How does GOD protect/preserve the Quran"? Does He merely throw a book into the market whose name is Quran? You probably know that a command/law, which GOD's protection is, cannot possibly be proven to exist unless someone tries to violate it, do you? Eg if i make a law that you cannot leave the room and you stay in there forever, no one will know my stament is true. Only when you try to break out and fail then it is seen that the law exists. RK also gave this marvellous example shoudld you have seen his videos. Anyone can manipulate the written Mushaf and add anything he likes to it. Infact shia have a Quran with additonal chapters and 6666 verses. Amongst them is a sura which starts "alahumma inna nastainnuka wastaghfiruka wanauminnu bika...". Also there are the hafs and warsh versions of the Quran which are NOT exactly the same. See
http//www.submission.org/quran/warsh.html
http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html Notice in one instant the pronoun "huwa" is used in warsh whilst it i "allah" in the hafs)
Moreover in the persian Quran "salat" is spelled "saad laam ALIF ha" instead of the more original "saad laam WAW ha". One may consider these minor differences, HOWEVER GOD's Word can only be ONE with ONE WORDING AND ONE SPELLING. Besides this you can also occassionally see differences in grammar which do change the meaning at least to some extent. If this much can happen and all versions are termed by sectarians as Quran then it can also happen tht 9128&129 be termed as Quran. The point is IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT SOME INDIVISUALS TERM AS QURAN. The Quran is a mathematicall structured Book and this is how GOD apparently preserved it. Anything which resides inside this pattern is Quran an the rest is not. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace again "Nun de plume",
As for the the supposed deception of the people for 14 centuries 1st you are not the first one to make this remark. Ive answered this numerous times. There are many possibilties of how GOD showed His true and rational believers as to what the Quran is and how to find it. Just because we currently dont know what methods they had doesnt mean we reject the evidence at hand. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

We validate it was protected that the true Qur?an does not contradict.

Also there are the hafs and warsh versions of the Quran which are NOT exactly the same. See
http//www.submission.org/quran/warsh.html

Tomayto Tomahto
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVvyUKOwwwU

http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html Notice in one instant the pronoun "huwa" is used in warsh whilst it i "allah" in the hafs)
Moreover in the persian Quran "salat" is spelled "saad laam ALIF ha" instead of the more original "saad laam WAW ha". One may consider these minor differences, HOWEVER GOD's Word can only be ONE with ONE WORDING AND ONE SPELLING. Besides this you can also occassionally see differences in grammar which do change the meaning at least to some extent. If this much can happen and all versions are termed by sectarians as Quran then it can also happen tht 9128&129 be termed as Quran. The point is IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT SOME INDIVISUALS TERM AS QURAN. The Quran is a mathematicall structured Book and this is how GOD apparently preserved it. Anything which resides inside this pattern is Quran an the rest is not. Plain and simple. GOD Bless!

These are obvious mistakes as there are numerous (commentaries) and translations/interpretations...

"The other was the word Nun in 681 spelled as one letter Nun in the modern editions, instead of Nun, Waw and Nun. Every equation in the mathematical code was pointing to this correction. It was the miracle at work,...

This initial is unique; it occurs in one sura, 68, and the name of the letter is spelled out as three letters - Noon Wow Noon - in the original text, and is therefore counted as two N's. The total count of this letter in the N-initialed sura is 133, 19x7.

Sura 50 is entitled "Q," prefixed with "Q," and the first verse reads, "Q, and the glorious Quran." This indicated that "Q" stands for "Quran," and the total number of Q's in the two Q-initialed suras represents the Quran's 114 suras (57+57 = 114 = 19x6). This idea was strengthened by the fact that "the Quran" occurs in the Quran 57 times."

The above is an example of selective cherry picking to prove nothing; apply for ?N? and not for ?Q? (Qaf) ?
look/search/include/exclude to fit some pattern while ignoring THE MESSAGE and not LISTENING to Qur?an.

Quran Chapter 50 - Srat Qf
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Rm5ioO60U

Miracle of Qur'an is in "The Message" and has nothing to do with numbers -- that is a test.

Peace

Hati

Salam,

the Abdalla's name is a popular name in the arabic countries, the meaning of the Abdallah's name by english language is " the God's servant " and the meaning of the Abdallah's name by the ebrew language it's Israel ( Jacob) , in the Quran the Abdallah's name is mentioned in two Chapters , chpater 19 verse 30 and chapter 72 verse 19 .

Faasharat ilayhi qaloo kayfa nukallimu man kana fee almahdi sabiyyan

Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan

Mary pointed to the child then; but they said, 'How shall we speak to one who is still in the cradle, a little child?'

He said, 'Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet.

Very clear from the above the prophet Jesus is AAabdu Allahi

God Bless.

Hati

Hati

Salam,

the explainers of the Quran says , the Abdallah name who is mentioned in the chapter72 verse 19 , is about the prophet Muhammad

The places of worship belong to God; so call not, along with God, upon anyone.

When the servant of God stood calling on Him, they were wellnigh upon him in swarms.

Say 'I call only upon my Lord, and I do not associate with Him anyone.

Say 'Surely I possess no power over you, either for hurt or for rectitude.'

Say 'From God shall protect me not anyone, and I shall find, apart from Him, no refuge,

excepting a Deliverance from God and His Messages. And whoso rebels against God and His messenger, for him there awaits the Fire of Gehenna; therein they shall dwell forever.'

Until, when they see that which they are promised, then they will know who is weaker in helpers and fewer in numbers.

Say 'I do not know whether that which you are promised is nigh, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a space;

Knower He of the Unseen, and He discloses not His Unseen to anyone,

save only to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with; then He despatches before him and behind him watchers,

that He may know they have delivered the Messages of their Lord; and He encompasses all that is with them, and He has numbered everything in numbers.'

A servant of God referred to is clearly the prophet Muhammad. Verse is talking about behavior of a servant observed at that time where a servant stood calling on his God.

God Bless.

jonny_k

Peace "Nun de Plume",

Peace jonny_k,

We validate it was protected that the true Qur?an does not contradict.

JK- How do you validate this? Lack of contradictions is a method but it is not solid enough since it is subjective to a much greater extent than a mathematical pattern. Nothing textual could supersede such. This is because there could and have arisen many apparent contras in the Quran. Whether theyve been refuted again or not is another issue.

Tomayto Tomahto
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVvyUKOwwwU

JK- Are you implying i stated something irrelevant? The scriptual mistakes of what is known as Quran is VERY SIGNIFICANT and it proves my point.

These are obvious mistakes as there are numerous (commentaries) and translations/interpretations...

JK- MAN those are actual Mushaf scripts. People claim that is Quran or versions of Quran. If not then what is Quran according to you? The most widespred mushaf in the marketplace perhaps?

"The other was the word Nun in 681 spelled as one letter Nun in the modern editions, instead of Nun, Waw and Nun. Every equation in the mathematical code was pointing to this correction. It was the miracle at work,...

This initial is unique; it occurs in one sura, 68, and the name of the letter is spelled out as three letters - Noon Wow Noon - in the original text, and is therefore counted as two N's. The total count of this letter in the N-initialed sura is 133, 19x7.

JK- You obviously havnt delved deep enough to understand much of the pattern. YES sura 68 is unique. It has 132 noons of the Noon is spelled as only a letter. First at least half of the chapters obey the same initial count rule where the letter counts consistently come out as xples of 19 and this is VERY STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT(see the article i posted for OPF and notice how the no.19 stands out). Now did you ever wonder why sura 68 as in the current mushaf has 132 noons, ONE LESS 133. The answer is in the following verse
And Zan-Noon ("the possessor of `NOON' &quot, abandoned his mission in protest, thinking that we could not control him. He ended up imploring from the darkness (of the big fish's belly) "There is no god other than You. Be You glorified. I have committed a gross sin."
Why does GOD not mention his name as "Junus(with ONE noon in his name)" as is apparent from the context but instead switches to "zan-noon"? This is the only verse which mentions this term "zan-noon" and it is no coincidence that it is spelled out "noon waw noon" whilst referring to Junus who has only ONE noon in his name. This prompted brother Edip to conclude that the single "noon" of 681 needs to be spelled out "noon one noon" and he was the one who cut it from 2187 and pasted it in 681 in one of the mushafs he had at that time in which the code-19 was later displayed at submission.org. All this is no coincidence. I asked another bro Asad from Persia to do some reserach and see if theres any other connection between 681 and 2187 and he found this
http//www.sharemation.com/nunandpen/alef6.pdf?uniq=-brsele (Search for 2187 and youll get there)
Also check out the rest of the findings on Noon(part 1 to 4) at http//quranmessage.blogspot.com/
If your not completely blind youll notice many significant relations. NOTE however that not all points need to be significant. Those can be either random or can be of importance in the future should a relation emerge.(refer again to the five lessons by Abu Jamil to distinguish diamonds from glass)

Sura 50 is entitled "Q," prefixed with "Q," and the first verse reads, "Q, and the glorious Quran." This indicated that "Q" stands for "Quran," and the total number of Q's in the two Q-initialed suras represents the Quran's 114 suras (57+57 = 114 = 19x6). This idea was strengthened by the fact that "the Quran" occurs in the Quran 57 times."

The above is an example of selective cherry picking to prove nothing; apply for ?N? and not for ?Q? (Qaf) ?
look/search/include/exclude to fit some pattern while ignoring THE MESSAGE and not LISTENING to Qur?an.

Quran Chapter 50 - Srat Qf
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Rm5ioO60U

Miracle of Qur'an is in "The Message" and has nothing to do with numbers -- that is a test.

Peace

JK- BOTH suras which contain the initial "Qaaf" in them have qaafs occurring exactly 57 times. This is very signficant together with the fact that one chapter which conatins the initial "qaaf" is twice as long as the other also containing the same letter. GOD Bless!

Edip_Yuksel

In other circles, "INDEPENDENT RESEARCHER" means only one thing, that is "crackpot", "psychoceramic", etc. Please show me ONE peer-reviewed article of Code 19.

Where is the falsifiability in Code 19?

Well, it is not that simple.

A great majority of the mathematicians will just stay away from the topic. Those who would like to study it will be discouraged by their lack of Arabic knowledge. As for Muslim matematicians, go ask your question to them.

Peace,
Edip

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

JK- MAN those are actual Mushaf scripts. People claim that is Quran or versions of Quran. If not then what is Quran according to you? The most widespred mushaf in the marketplace perhaps?

Qur?an is the actual recital?

Surah 83 al-Mutaffifin - The Defrauders
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFCx2WJ4f4

Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin
No but that truly the corrupters' Book/judgment (is) in Sijjin.

Wama adraka ma sijjeenun
And what made you know/informed you what (is) Sijjin?

Kitabun marqoomun
A written/branded/inscribed Book.

The ?numbered book? (Kitabun marqoomun) is called the corrupters? book and as pointed out earlier verse numbering contradicts and is inconsistent...

http//www.submission.org/suras/sura1.htm
In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

http//www.submission.org/suras/sura114.html
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

unknownuser

Peace jonny_k,

Why does GOD not mention his name as "Junus(with ONE noon in his name)" as is apparent from the context but instead switches to "zan-noon"?

7031 ...asking/desiring its interpretation/explanation, and none knows its interpretation/explanation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say "We believed with it, all/each (is) from at our Lord, and none remember/mention except (those) of the pure minds/intelligence."

This is the only verse which mentions this term "zan-noon" and it is no coincidence that it is spelled out "noon waw noon" whilst referring to Junus who has only ONE noon in his name. This prompted brother Edip to conclude that the single "noon" of 681 needs to be spelled out "noon one noon" and he was the one who cut it from 2187 and pasted it in 681 in one of the mushafs he had at that time in which the code-19 was later displayed at submission.org. All this is no coincidence. I asked another bro Asad from Persia to do some reserach and see if theres any other connection between 681 and 2187 and he found this
http//www.sharemation.com/nunandpen/alef6.pdf?uniq=-brsele (Search for 2187 and youll get there)

?Consider all verses in the quran that have DblNoon or Nun. In these verses there are
2698(19*142) letter Noon. 2698 is count of word GOD too.?

Subject 19 code magic exposed
The first letter Numbers DO lie!

http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/numbersdolie.htm

"**The second word- Allah, occurs 2815 times in Quran(if 9/128-129 are excluded). Not divisible by 19.
To get 2698(19 divisible) RK exluded 5 occurences of the word Allah. Some justifying it by the fact that these 5 occurences have suffix(hu)mma. Allahumma means "O God!" and it is used when somebody is is calling upon Allah - One and Only True God. PLUS, He also excluded all of its occurences in the bismillahs at the begginings of the quranic chapters EXCEPT in the first one!?, that is, in 11. So, the statement that the second word (Allah=God) is mentioned in the Quran 2698 times, or 19x142 is simply A LIE. And, what a lie!! As simple as that."

Also consider/ponder the verse below and don?t neglect to count Allah and Noon.

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9129 But if they turn away, say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."

unknownuser

Salam,

Faasharat ilayhi qaloo kayfa nukallimu man kana fee almahdi sabiyyan

Qala innee AAabdu Allahi ataniya alkitaba wajaAAalanee nabiyyan

Mary pointed to the child then; but they said, 'How shall we speak to one who is still in the cradle, a little child?'

He said, 'Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet.

Very clear from the above the prophet Jesus is AAabdu Allahi

God Bless.

Hati

Shalom Hati

(The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet

1931] "He made me blessed wherever I go, and enjoined me to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat) for as long as I live

"I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.

And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."

in the verse 34 Quran says ( THAT WAS JESUS ) sun

That was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of this matter, about which they continue to doubt.

(The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. in the verse 34 Quran says ( THAT WAS

JESUS ) sun the Quran explains himself That was Jesus, the son of Mary sun

Shalom

jonny_k

Peace "nun ed plume",

Peace jonny_k,

Qur?an is the actual recital?

Surah 83 al-Mutaffifin - The Defrauders
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFCx2WJ4f4

JK- The Quran in many place says that it is the BOOK. "22 zaalikal KITAABU la ghaiba fihi(This is the BOOK in which there is no doubt)". So it is not only a reital but also something written.

Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin
No but that truly the corrupters' Book/judgment (is) in Sijjin.

Wama adraka ma sijjeenun
And what made you know/informed you what (is) Sijjin?

Kitabun marqoomun
A written/branded/inscribed Book.

The ?numbered book? (Kitabun marqoomun) is called the corrupters? book and as pointed out earlier verse numbering contradicts and is inconsistent...

JK- MAN there are two numeriacl books mentioned. Read the next verses too
Indeed, the book of the righteous will be in Elleyyeen. Do you know what Elleyyeen is?
A numerically structured book.
Did you ignore this deliberately? GOD Bless!

unknownuser