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    Salam Belal,

    You have missed my whole point!!
    Please read my post well.

    I did not say don't read the Quran. My God! From where did you get that?
    I said
    If you consider the ancestors' word as sacred as God?s Word, this, for me, is nothing less than shirk.

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    Which nabi of them? There are so many anbiya'a. Why do you think it is about Muhammad?

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      Salam Belal,

      You have missed my whole point!!
      Please read my post well.

      I did not say don't read the Quran. My God! From where did you get that?
      I said
      If you consider the ancestors' word as sacred as God?s Word, this, for me, is nothing less than shirk.

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      Which nabi of them? There are so many anbiya'a. Why do you think it is about Muhammad?

      Her How I pray (http//www.islam-usa.com/pray7.html), so you can tell me which part is Shirk; Please support your claim by Quran.


      Step 1
      Maka a sincere intention to perform the prayers purely for the sake of Allah. Say to yourself (in any language) that you intend to offer this Salat (Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib or Isha), Fard, Sunnat or Witr, and the number of rakats (example- "I intend to offer two Rikat of Fard, Fajr prayer for Allah&quot.

      This posture is called qiyam and it is assumed after having made the intention to pray. Raising both hands up to the ears (palms facing the Qiblah) "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot is said.


      Step 2
      "Subhanaka Allah humma wa bihamdika, wa tabaraka ismuka, wa ta'ala jadduka, wa la ilaha ghairuk"

      "Praise and glory be to you O Allah. Blessed be Your Name, exalted be Your Majesty and Glory. There is no God but You"

      "I seek Allah's shelter from Satan, the condemned"

      "Bismillah i rrahman i erraheem"

      "In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful."

      Al-Fatihah, and any short surah or a few verses from the Holy Quran.

      "Praise be to Allah, The Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds; Most Gracious, Most Merciful; Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. Show us the straight way, the way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, Those whose (portion) is not wrath, And who go not astray."

      A short Sura or a few verses from the Holy Quran


      Step 3
      Saying "Allah u Akbar"(the back & leg should be perpendicular to each other) . This position is called ruku and the prayers as given are recited (three times).
      "Subhana rabbiya al azeem"

      "Glorified is my Lord, the Great"


      Step 4
      While going back to qiyam position the first prayer, is said. Then having taken this position the second prayer is said
      "Samia Allah u liman hamidah"

      "Allah listens to him who praises Him"

      "Rabbana wa laka al hamd"

      "Our Lord, praise be for you only"

      Step 5
      This position is called sujood. Saying "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot one prostrates and then the prayer below is said (three times).

      "Subhana rubbiyal a'ala"
      "Glory to Allah, the Exalted".


      Step 6
      Saying "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot and rising from the Sujood position, this posture called Juloos is assumed and the prayer below is said
      "'Rabbi eghfir lee wa rhamnee"

      "O my Lord, forgive me and have Mercy on me"


      Step 7
      Saying "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot the sujood position is re-assumed and the prayer below is recited (three times).

      "Subhana rubbiyal a'ala"
      "Glory to Allah, the Exalted"

      This completes one rakat.

      Step 8
      Saying "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot this position of qiyam is assumed once again to begin the second rakah, and the following prayers are recited

      Al-Fatihah, and
      Any short surah or some verses of the Holy Quran.

      Step 9
      Saying "Allah u Akbar", this position is assumed . This position is called ruku and the prayers as given are recited (three times).
      "Subhana rabbiya al azeem"

      "Glorified is my Lord, the Great"


      Step 10
      While going back to qiyam position the first prayer, as given below, is said. Then having taken this position prayer the second is said
      "Samia Allah u liman hamidah"

      "Allah listens to him who praises Him"

      "Rabbana wa laka al hamd"

      "Our Lord, praise be for you only"

      Step 11
      This position is called sujood. Saying "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot one prostrates as shown and then the prayer below is said (three times).

      "Subhana rubbiyal a'ala"

      "Glorified is my Lord, the Exalted"


      Step 12
      Saying "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot and rising from the sujood position, this posture is assumed and the prayer below is said
      "Rabbi eghfir lee wa rhamnee"

      "O my Lord, forgive me and have Mercy on me"


      Step 13
      Saying "Allah u Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest&quot the sujood position is re-assumed and the prayer below is said (three times).

      "Subhana rubbiyal a'ala"

      "Glory to Allah, the Exalted"

      Step 14
      In this posture these prayers are to be recited

      "Tashahud
      "Attahiyat u lil Allah i wa assalawat u wa attaiyibat. Assalam u a'laika aiyoha annabiyyu wa rahmat u Allah i wa barakatuh. Assalam u a'laina wa a'la ebadi e llahi essaliheen.
      Ashehadu alla ilaha illa Allah u wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa rasooluh.

      "All our oral, physical and monetary ways of worship are only for Allah. Peace, mercy and blessing of Allah be on you, O Prophet. May peace be upon us and on the devout slaves of Allah. I testify that there is no God but Allah and I testify that Muhammad is His slave and messenger".

      "Salat Ala An-nabi"
      "Allah umma salli a'la Muhammadin wa ala aali Muhummadin, kama sallaita ala Ibraheema, wa ala aali Ibraheem, innaka hameedun majeed. Allah u mma barik a'la Muhammadin wa ala aali Muhummadin, kama barakta ala Ibraheema, wa ala aali Ibraheem, innaka h ameedun majeed".

      "O God send your Mercy on Muhammad and his posterity as you sent Your mercy on Abraham and his posterity. You are the Most Praised, The Most Glorious. O God, send your Blessings on Muhammad and his posterity as you have blessed Abraham and his posterity. You are the Most praised, The Most Glorious".

      A short prayer
      "Rubbana aatina fi uddunya hasanatun wa fi l aakherati hasah, waqina a'zabannar".
      "Our Lord, grant us the good of this world and that of the Hereafter and save us from the torture of Hell.".


      Step 15
      Having said the above mentioned prayers, turning the face to the right. This following prayer is read
      "Assalam u a'laikum wa rahmatu Allah".

      "Peace and mercy of Allah be on you".


      Step 16
      Then turning the face to the left, the prayer above is said again
      "Assalam u a'laikum wa rahmatu Allah".

      "Peace and mercy of Allah be on you".

      This completes two rakat.

      Hope you find this way of praying is Right &

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        Which nabi of them? There are so many anbiya'a. Why do you think it is about Muhammad?

        I say (Pace be upon him) to all the prophets when I mention thier names.

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          Salam Belal,

          Here is what I said I repeat
          If you consider the ancestors' word or whoever's word as sacred as God?s Word, then this is nothing less than shirk.

          Take whatever information you like from Bukhari & co and act on it ; the way you are doing now in your prayers, your fasting, eating, walking, talking, sleeping, etc. . I don't care. Just don't consider it as sacred and infallible as Quran. Because if you did then you will be committing shirk.

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            Salam Belal,

            Here is what I said I repeat
            If you consider the ancestors' word or whoever's word as sacred as God?s Word, then this is nothing less than shirk.

            Salam handshake
            I agree.

            the way you are doing now in your prayers, your fasting, eating, walking, talking, sleeping, etc. . I don't care. Just don't consider it as sacred and infallible as Quran.

            I agree; but what made you think that is what I do?

            Also, what do you think about the way I pray, as I showed to you in my previous post? Is it Shrik?

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              I say (Pace be upon him) to all the prophets when I mention thier names.

              Salam Taj
              By the chance, in the last verse God is talking about prophet Mohamed (PBUH).
              Here are some of the verses in Chapter 33 that shows that

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              O ye who believe! enter not the Prophet's houses until leave is given you for a meal (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity. (53)

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              Allah and His angels, send blessings on the Prophet O ye that believe! send ye blessings on him and salute him, with all respect. (56) Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment. (57) And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. (5 O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (59)

              Peace

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                Salam Belal,

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                Which nabi of them? There are so many anbiya'a. Why do you think it is about Muhammad?

                I meant to mention this Qute.

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                  Salam Belal,

                  Salam Taj
                  By the chance, in the last verse God is talking about prophet Mohamed (PBUH).
                  Here are some of the verses in Chapter 33 that shows that

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                  O ye who believe! enter not the Prophet's houses until leave is given you for a meal (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity. (53)

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                  Allah and His angels, send blessings on the Prophet O ye that believe! send ye blessings on him and salute him, with all respect. (56) Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment. (57) And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. (5 O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (59)

                  Peace

                  So where is the word "Muhammad" in the ayat above?
                  For those who don't know, the ayat above are from Surah (chapter) # 33 Al-Ahzab - TheConfederates.

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                    Peace,
                    Respectfully.

                    Am i a Muslim?
                    Yes.

                    I believe and know that a TRue and Real MUslim must believe that there is no god but God (31,
                    A True and a Real Muslim must pray according to the Quran, before the sunrise, after sunset and during night hours. I can't remember the chapters and verses right now, so bear with me.
                    Also, a Submitter must fast during the month of Ramadan, not consume food or beverages or have sex during day.
                    Also, pay the charity, to the parents, relatives, poor, orphans, traveller, what is beyond your needs and on the day of harvest.
                    Also, attend the Hajj.
                    Also, be good to parents, speak good to people, do good deeds of rightousness, forgive and rely on God all the time and seek help in prayer and patience.
                    Also, the ten commandments are still on.

                    Peace.

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                      Salam Belal,

                      So where is the word "Muhammad" in the ayat above?
                      For those who don't know, the ayat above are from Surah (chapter) # 33 Al-Ahzab - TheConfederates.

                      In verse 59, for example, God is speaking to the prophet who is recieving the verses of Chapter 33

                      O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (59)

                      Peace,
                      Respectfully.

                      Am i a Muslim?
                      Yes.

                      I believe and know that a TRue and Real MUslim must believe that there is no god but God (31,
                      A True and a Real Muslim must pray according to the Quran, before the sunrise, after sunset and during night hours. I can't remember the chapters and verses right now, so bear with me.
                      Also, a Submitter must fast during the month of Ramadan, not consume food or beverages or have sex during day.
                      Also, pay the charity, to the parents, relatives, poor, orphans, traveller, what is beyond your needs and on the day of harvest.
                      Also, attend the Hajj.
                      Also, be good to parents, speak good to people, do good deeds of rightousness, forgive and rely on God all the time and seek help in prayer and patience.
                      Also, the ten commandments are still on.

                      Peace.

                      Salam
                      How do you pray? Do you pray the same way I showed in my posting or not?
                      Peace

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                        Salam Belal,

                        In verse 59, for example, God is speaking to the prophet who is recieving the verses of Chapter 33

                        O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (59)

                        So <!Again!> Where is the word "Muhammad" in the ayah ?

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                          belH
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                          Salam Belal,

                          So <!Again!> Where is the word "Muhammad" in the ayah ?

                          Salam Belal,

                          So <!Again!> Where is the word "Muhammad" in the ayah ?

                          Peace
                          Please look deeper, free your minde, reason, and then you will come to a conclusion.
                          Salam

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                            Peace
                            Please look deeper, free your minde, reason, and then you will come to a conclusion.
                            Salam

                            Salam,

                            With all due respect, you can stare at that verse all day and you still won't find the word Muhammad there.

                            In fact, in that whole chapter the only time muhammad is mentioned is in 3340. And whether or not that is a proper name of a person or a type of person is debatable.
                            The Quran has no problem speaking of the prophets by name so if Muhammad as the prophet was specifically meant in 3359 I believe his name would be there.
                            Salam,
                            Arnab

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                              belH
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                              Salam,

                              With all due respect, you can stare at that verse all day and you still won't find the word Muhammad there.

                              In fact, in that whole chapter the only time muhammad is mentioned is in 3340. And whether or not that is a proper name of a person or a type of person is debatable.
                              The Quran has no problem speaking of the prophets by name so if Muhammad as the prophet was specifically meant in 3359 I believe his name would be there.
                              Salam,
                              Arnab

                              Peace
                              When God say, "O prophet! tell", God is speaking to a living prophet at the time of revealing such a verse; and I believe that the only living prophet at that time was Mohamed (PBUH). but any way, I say (PBUH) to all prophets.
                              peace

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                                Salam Belalhammad,

                                I understand your point of view. And I agree with the fact that since Muhammad was a messenger of God 3359 was directed toward him, but not exclusively.
                                I am now of the belief that since the Quran is for all time and since anyone who fits the characteristics of a rasul or nabi is a rasul or a nabi today.
                                Then the verse is directed towards the rasul's and nabi's of today as well.

                                Salam,
                                Arnab

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                                  belH
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                                  Salam Belalhammad,

                                  I understand your point of view. And I agree with the fact that since Muhammad was a messenger of God 3359 was directed toward him, but not exclusively.
                                  I am now of the belief that since the Quran is for all time and since anyone who fits the characteristics of a rasul or nabi is a rasul or a nabi today.
                                  Then the verse is directed towards the rasul's and nabi's of today as well.

                                  Salam,
                                  Arnab

                                  Peace
                                  Prophet Mohamed was the last Nabi, Prophet; In other words, God will not send any more books. As far as Rasul, I do not know if that is the case or not, simply because God did not say so in the Quran. I can only testify of what is in the Quran.

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                                  Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things (33-40).

                                  Peace peace

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                                    Salam,

                                    The meaning of this verse has been much debated.

                                    Salam,
                                    Arnab

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                                      Salam,

                                      The meaning of this verse has been much debated.

                                      Salam,
                                      Arnab

                                      Salam
                                      Can you tel me were was debated?
                                      Thanks

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                                        Salam Belalhammad,

                                        It has been debated here on this site (and perhaps others).

                                        Salam,
                                        Arnab

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