Is "Allah" a Name or It is Merely Arabic for "The God"?
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Hey bro Ayman,
Thanks for the quick reply and the reference. Unfortunately I have only read about it in MCDonald's paper a while back but have never seen the actual Psalm itself transliterated. If you have a scanned copy or can refer me to an online paper with its illustration I would be very grateful.Peace brother Maxq,
I am refering to the Violet Fragment.
Unfortunately, I have seen even seasoned researchers make the mistake of transliterating old texts and add case endings automatically without considering the actual text. It is a bad learned habit. In fact, Violet himself has made this mistake and added case endings in his transliteration when in fact they are absent from the original Greek. The only case ending shown in the Greek is the adverbial accusative. Unlike other CA case endings, the adverbial accusative shows up in most spoken vernacular Arabic dialects. So the Violet fragment proves that Old Arabic and therefore the real language of the great reading was much closer grammatically to modern Arabic dialects than to CA.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Maxq,
Thanks for the quick reply and the reference. Unfortunately I have only read about it in MCDonald's paper a while back but have never seen the actual Psalm itself transliterated. If you have a scanned copy or can refer me to an online paper with its illustration I would be very grateful.
Unfortunately, I don't have a scanned copy so I am getting the info indirectly from other researchers who have seen a copy. I have been trying to get the following article because I heard that it has the best photograph of the fragement
Mavroudi, M., 'Arabic words in Greek letters the Violet fragment and more'. Pages 321-354 in J. Lentin & J. Grand?Henry (eds), Moyen arabe et vari?t?s mixtes de l'arabe ? travers l'histoire. Actes du Premier Colloque International (Louvain-la-Neuve, 10?14 mai 2004).
(Publications de l'Institut Orientaliste de Louvain, 5. Leuven Peeters, 2008.Unfortunately, I had no luck getting it through my University Library because they don't have it and it doesn't even appear in any of the databases so I can't get it through inter-library loan. I went to the publisher's web site to try to purchase the proceedings but I couldn't find them in the list of publications for sale. It would be great if you can try to get it from your end. Perhaps you will have better luck than me. Or perhaps someone in France can get it from their library and get us a copy.
Peace,
Ayman
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Assalaam Alaikum
To bring some archeological evidence to bear on the existence of 'Allah' as a deity of worship....
Allah in Nubia http//www.zshare.net/video/1195853f71a1d3/
The evidence is taken from the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Kemetic Antiquies, artifacts, reliefs and pillars from one of the 'Temples of Ptah' (by the way means 'Opening) in Nubia.
At least 6000 years BEFORE Arabs of the peninsula, Greeks, Jews, Torah, Bible, any inscription!
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Assalaam Alaikum
To bring some archeological evidence to bear on the existence of 'Allah' as a deity of worship....
Allah in Nubia http//www.zshare.net/video/1195853f71a1d3/
The evidence is taken from the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Kemetic Antiquies, artifacts, reliefs and pillars from one of the 'Temples of Ptah' (by the way means 'Opening) in Nubia.
At least 6000 years BEFORE Arabs of the peninsula, Greeks, Jews, Torah, Bible, any inscription!
UNDER MAINTENANCE voodoo
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Assalaam Alaikum
I apologize looks as though zshare nolonger likes the file. I will upload to YouTube shortly.
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Peace Ayman,
I would translate 17110 as follows (without Caps)
- Say" Call upon the god or call upon the almighty, whatever you call, to him belong the best names." And neither shout with your learning connection nor whisper with it, but seek a middle course in between.
I completely agree with your interpretation of "allah"/the god. However, I don't think it's necessarily incorrect to label the title as the English "God" (capital G) because it relays the same concept, that it is speaking of one specific god. So, I see the statements "there is no god but the god" and "there is no god but God" to mean the same thing, "the god" referring to "God". Either way, the word "allah" would not be applied as a proper noun... I was wondering, though Why do you translate "al-rahman" to mean "the almighty"?
R-H-M in the Arabic language doesn't imply power, it refers to mercy, grace, and compassion, usually in the sense of forgiveness. It's actually a derivative of the Semitic usage of "R-H-M", which means "womb", kinship, relationship, and mercy. So, why do you translate it as "almighty" instead of "gracious" or "merciful"? It could possibly imply the concept of creation (from the womb) and nurturing, defining "al-rahman" as a form of "the creator", but I don't see how "the almighty" fits there at all. Can you please explain?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Ahmad,
I completely agree with your interpretation of "allah"/the god. However, I don't think it's necessarily incorrect to label the title as the English "God" (capital G) because it relays the same concept, that it is speaking of one specific god. So, I see the statements "there is no god but the god" and "there is no god but God" to mean the same thing, "the god" referring to "God". Either way, the word "allah" would not be applied as a proper noun... I was wondering, though Why do you translate "al-rahman" to mean "the almighty"?
R-H-M in the Arabic language doesn't imply power, it refers to mercy, grace, and compassion, usually in the sense of forgiveness. It's actually a derivative of the Semitic usage of "R-H-M", which means "womb", kinship, relationship, and mercy. So, why do you translate it as "almighty" instead of "gracious" or "merciful"? It could possibly imply the concept of creation (from the womb) and nurturing, defining "al-rahman" as a form of "the creator", but I don't see how "the almighty" fits there at all. Can you please explain?The word "rahman" is not found in ancient Northern Arabian dialects. It is only found in Southern Arabian dialects. It is found in several Sabaic inscriptions where the context shows that it means "almighty", for example the famous inscription of Abraha. It is also used in the great reading to mean "almighty", for example in 1945 we hear prophet Ibrahim say to his father, a rejecting idol-worshipper, "I fear you would be struck with the wrath of al-rahman." The word in 1945 is more likely to invoke fear of retribution as opposed to hope of benefit or grace. Also, the idea of "mercy, grace and compassion" is already communicated by the word "rahim". So in this case "rahman" would be redundant. On the other hand, the great reading is all about contrasts of warning of retribution and good news of reward.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
The word "rahman" is not found in ancient Northern Arabian dialects. It is only found in Southern Arabian dialects. It is found in several Sabaic inscriptions where the context shows that it means "almighty", for example the famous inscription of Abraha. It is also used in the great reading to mean "almighty", for example in 1945 we hear prophet Ibrahim say to his father, a rejecting idol-worshipper, "I fear you would be struck with the wrath of al-rahman." The word in 1945 is more likely to invoke fear of retribution as opposed to hope of benefit or grace. Also, the idea of "mercy, grace and compassion" is already communicated by the word "rahim". So in this case "rahman" would be redundant. On the other hand, the great reading is all about contrasts of warning of retribution and good news of reward.
I see how the words "rahman" and "rahim" can contrast eachother, and it could apply the idea of the "almighty", the "avenger", the "powerful", or the "creator" (which could possibly be more suitable, since RAHM refers to a womb). So, how do we know that "al-rahman al-rahim" isn't referring to "the creator the sustainer", or something of that sort? Both of the words imply more than just grace, mercy, and compassion - they also imply creation and nurturing and sustainment, as is the case with a "womb". I guess it depends on how you translate the word. I'll do some research on the issue of the Sabaic inscriptions you were speaking of. I've never known "rahman" to refer to "almighty" at all, but I'll check on it. Thanks for the insight.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace,
Mavroudi, M., 'Arabic words in Greek letters the Violet fragment and more'. Pages 321-354 in J. Lentin & J. Grand?Henry (eds), Moyen arabe et vari?t?s mixtes de l'arabe ? travers l'histoire. Actes du Premier Colloque International (Louvain-la-Neuve, 10?14 mai 2004).
(Publications de l'Institut Orientaliste de Louvain, 5. Leuven Peeters, 2008.I checked with Katholieke Universiteit Leuven at the Faculty of Arts Library; Oriental and Slavonic Studies. The last copy they received from this series was number 57 Nouvelle perspective sur le syst?me verbal de l'h?breu ancien les formes *qatala, *yaqtul et *yaqtulu (200.
The librarian didn't know if they had already ordered "Moyen arabe...". But she was going to e-mail me as soon as possible; I'm still waiting.Abdelilah
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Assalaam Alaikum
To bring some archeological evidence to bear on the existence of 'Allah' as a deity of worship....
Allah in Nubia http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9YU1HmapU
The evidence is taken from the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Kemetic Antiquies, artifacts, reliefs and pillars from one of the 'Temples of Ptah' (by the way means 'Opening) in Nubia.
At least 6000 years BEFORE Arabs of the peninsula, Greeks, Jews, Torah, Bible, any inscription!
Video is uploaded click link above......
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salam. the narrator is claiming that the hieroglyphic text on the column, represents LLH, and claims this is pronounced allah. does any rational person pronounce llh as allah? any person with eyes can see the letters of the kemetic alphabet are nothing like arabic. does any rational person say that is the arabic alphabet? those with ears and eyes, are not deaf and blind.
allah is the word.
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salam. the narrator is claiming that the hieroglyphic text on the column, represents LLH, and claims this is pronounced allah. does any rational person pronounce llh as allah? any person with eyes can see the letters of the kemetic alphabet are nothing like arabic. does any rational person say that is the arabic alphabet? those with ears and eyes, are not deaf and blind.
allah is the word.
Its Pyramid text NOT hieroglyphic
Secondly, its Kemetic language
Thirdly, Its a 'ancient' Arabic, from which Modern, Semetic languages derive their origin.
He said 'Alif Lam-Lam-Ha'
'Allah'
Allah in Nubia http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9YU1HmapU
Hud 11.18] Who doth more wrong than those who invent a lie against Allah? They will be turned back to the presence of their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord! Behold! the Curse of Allah is on those who do wrong!-
"Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked. these were they who denied the Hereafter!"
They will in no way frustrate (His design) on earth, nor have they protectors besides Allah! Their penalty will be doubled! They lost the power to hear, and they did not see!
They are the ones who have lost their own souls. and the (fancies) they invented have left them in the lurch!
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salam muslimthreadrevealed. semitic languages are not derived from hieroglyphic. you can quit your pharoanic chanting.
the letters of arabic originate in phoenician and ancient hebrew. nothing to do with the evil pharoah.
allah is the truth.
The only reason I respond to you is out of regard for the truth.
Either you are a young child or you have never done any cursory study of Kemetic, Pre-Dynastic and Dynastic history.
'Nubia' existed BEFORE Phoenician's, Hebrews, Egypt, Greeks or Arabs of the Arab Peninsula
'Nubia' is Pre-Dynastic BEFORE 'Pharoanic Dynasties'
The 'narrator' in the video is from the people of 'Tubba'.....Africa
The Companions of the Wood, and the People of Tubba'; each one (of them) rejected the Messengers, and My warning was duly fulfilled (in them).
What! Are they better than the people of Tubba and those who were before them? We destroyed them because they were guilty of sin.
Again, hieroglyphics is NOT Pyramid text, Woloof or Bamdera
Allah in Nubia http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9YU1HmapU
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salam muslimthreadrevealed.
allah has cursed, damned, and killed the pharoah. the people of the pharoah are evil idol worshipping people cursed by allah.
how dare you pollute good believing muslims with idol worshipping trash, and using temples of idol worshippers, and idol worshipper lies, to deceive believers.
may allah protect us from the shaitan.
allah has cursed the idol worshipping pharoah and his temples.
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Peace Ayman,
The word "rahman" is not found in ancient Northern Arabian dialects. It is only found in Southern Arabian dialects. It is found in several Sabaic inscriptions where the context shows that it means "almighty", for example the famous inscription of Abraha. It is also used in the great reading to mean "almighty", for example in 1945 we hear prophet Ibrahim say to his father, a rejecting idol-worshipper, "I fear you would be struck with the wrath of al-rahman." The word in 1945 is more likely to invoke fear of retribution as opposed to hope of benefit or grace. Also, the idea of "mercy, grace and compassion" is already communicated by the word "rahim". So in this case "rahman" would be redundant. On the other hand, the great reading is all about contrasts of warning of retribution and good news of reward.
Okay, I've researched the issue, and I haven't found anywhere in any of the ancient dialects that described "rahman" to mean "almighty". There are places within the scriptures that IMPLY "almighty" as a possible meaning for the description, but this doesn't take away the actual meaning of the word. In reality, "RHM" has nothing to do with power and might, it is about mercy, compassion, and grace. Both "rahman" and "rahim" are derived from the same root, so contrasting the two descriptions would be based on the roots, saying, "the powerful the merciful", or "the mighty the merciful". However, we know that this word doesn't refer to power or might; those words already have Arabic words used in the Quran that describe God's strength... But regardless, it depends on how you interpret the scriptures and their meanings. Many of the passages in the Quran do imply that "al-rahman" means "the almighty", but this depends on where you're looking, and it depends on your description. If you want to translate "rahman" to mean "almighty", then that's your choice, but I don't think it fits, not according to the roots...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Ahmad,
There are places within the scriptures that IMPLY "almighty" as a possible meaning for the description, but this doesn't take away the actual meaning of the word. In reality, "RHM" has nothing to do with power and might
In the real reality ), not all words in the Arabic language fit neatly within the root meaning or are even of Arabic origin for that matter. The word "rahman" is Sabaic and it is only found in southern Arabian inscriptions such as the following
http//www.mnh.si.edu/EPIGRAPHY/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean.htm
Please note the use of the term "rahman" in association with "power" in the first line of the inscription. So your assessment that it has nothing to do with power is simply uninformed.
Peace,
Ayman