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Is "Allah" a Name or It is Merely Arabic for "The God"?

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    Muslimtruthrevealed
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    Assalaam Alaikum @Omeiza

    I believe the subject and focus of the thread on determining and suggesting that Sura 53.19

    Somehow contains the "proper name's" 'Allat' and 'Al-Uzza' is in error and is a gross mistranslation and misinterpretation.

    'laata' is actually a prepositional adverb that is used in the Quran as a 'feminine' version of the adverb 'la'. Its definitive meaning is to shun, conceal, influence.
    Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 520 (lata)

    Uzza is a personal noun, that expresses a distinction or personality trait of a person means 'false arrogance, idolize one?s self, Glory, Pride, Vanity, Exalt, To occupy a respectable position'
    Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 371 (azza)

    And Mannat third of the other.

    Wa manata alththalithata al-okhra

    Manata follow one?s desires, inspire with desires and wishful thinking, Idol; Root word Mana to inspire with desire; Yumanni that which arouses false desires or hope
    Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 544 (mana)

    Al-Okhra means to be weak, helpless
    Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 35 (anatha)


    Sura 53.19 - 53.23 is speaking to those who elevate themselves, their egos with arrogance. Allah is suggesting these types of personality traits are weak, ineffective and helpless.

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      farida
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      Assalaam Alaikum @Omeiza

      I believe the subject and focus of the thread on determining and suggesting that Sura 53.19

      Somehow contains the "proper name's" 'Allat' and 'Al-Uzza' is in error and is a gross mistranslation and misinterpretation.

      'laata' is actually a prepositional adverb that is used in the Quran as a 'feminine' version of the adverb 'la'. Its definitive meaning is to shun, conceal, influence.
      Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 520 (lata)

      Uzza is a personal noun, that expresses a distinction or personality trait of a person means 'false arrogance, idolize one?s self, Glory, Pride, Vanity, Exalt, To occupy a respectable position'
      Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 371 (azza)

      And Mannat third of the other.

      Wa manata alththalithata al-okhra

      Manata follow one?s desires, inspire with desires and wishful thinking, Idol; Root word Mana to inspire with desire; Yumanni that which arouses false desires or hope
      Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 544 (mana)

      Al-Okhra means to be weak, helpless
      Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 35 (anatha)


      Sura 53.19 - 53.23 is speaking to those who elevate themselves, their egos with arrogance. Allah is suggesting these types of personality traits are weak, ineffective and helpless.

      Salaam Muslimtruthrevealed

      I believe your definition is most appropriate as I could never understand the relevence of pre-islamic gods to us today. The meaning of 'Allat' 'Al-Uzza' and 'Manaat', by your definitions, fit very well with the gods which most people have worshiped in every age and they have been the cause of great harm and this is the most common shirk practiced today.
      peace

      peace

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        Salaam Muslimtruthrevealed

        I believe your definition is most appropriate as I could never understand the relevence of pre-islamic gods to us today. The meaning of 'Allat' 'Al-Uzza' and 'Manaat', by your definitions, fit very well with the gods which most people have worshiped in every age and they have been the cause of great harm and this is the most common shirk practiced today.
        peace

        peace

        Alhumdillah

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          farida
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          Alhumdillah

          Salaam Muslimtruthrevealed,
          I would suggest that you kindly conclude the outcome of this thread as people in this site often stop contributing when they are lost for arguments and as result no consensus is reached. Summing up will put an end to this discussion,
          I hope you would not mind doing it.

          peace

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            ayman
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            Peace Omeiza,

            Can you please give me two more instances where ALLAH as a proper noun does not fit into the context of the great reading (al-Qur'an)?

            In all instances the word "allah" as a proper name doesn't fit while the common noun fits. For example, "there is no god except Allah" is not logical since a proper name is just a label that anyone can stick on anything. So just because someone names something Allah, this doesn't mean that it is what is meant by the expression "there is no god except him". On the other hand, "there is no god except the (definite) god" is logical.

            Is it correct to consider the word ALLAH as an adjective instead of being a common noun? Please explain.

            Sometimes common noun are used to describe things in a similar way an adjective does. For example, the word "the leader" is a common noun in the sentence "the leader has arrived" but it also can be used to describe as in "he is the leader".

            If a GIVEN NAME is a proper name, what authority is needed for it as stated in the verse?

            The authority is the truth from our lord. Proper/given names don't describe truth. The problem arises when people believe that such proper names really describe the truth as in the example of the idols recounted in Chapter 53.

            Peace,

            Ayman

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              Assalaam Alaikum

              Summation

              There are no 'idols' indicated in Sura 53 except the 'idolatry' associated with one's egotistical desires.

              53.19

              'Allat' and 'Al-Uzza' is in error and is a gross mistranslation and misinterpretation.

              'laata' is actually a prepositional adverb that is used in the Quran as a 'feminine' version of the adverb 'la'. Its definitive meaning is to shun, conceal, influence.
              Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 520 (lata)

              Example as a 'particle'...

              And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward;

              Waithan laata-aynahum min ladunna ajran AAatheeman

              Uzza is a personal noun, that expresses a distinction or personality trait of a person means 'false arrogance, idolize one?s self, Glory, Pride, Vanity, Exalt, To occupy a respectable position'
              Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 371 (azza)

              And Mannat third of the other.

              Wa manata alththalithata al-okhra

              Manata follow one?s desires, inspire with desires and wishful thinking, Idol; Root word Mana to inspire with desire; Yumanni that which arouses false desires or hope
              Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 544 (mana)


              Laat'a

              53.19 Hamzat-ul-wasl connecting hamza, its connected to the preceding word which is pronounced with the 'la' sound of the Hamzat-ul-wasl thus rendering 'ay-tu-mul laata'

              NOT 'Allat'

              Uzza

              As it relates to ,again we have Hamzat-ul-wasl connecting hamza, its connected to the preceding word , rendering 'wal', next we have a Sukoon , which again is silent, thus rendering 'wal-Uzza'

              NOT 'Al-Uzza'


              Hamzatul-Wasl has five basic rules http//humera.de/arabiska/?url=en0109 and http//www.abouttajweed.com/hamzah-al-wasl/hamzah-al-wasl-lesson-1.html

              If there is a Harakah preceding Hamzatul-Wasl, then that preceding Harakah is pronounced while Hamzatul-Wasl is not pronounced.

              Sura 53.19 has the Hamza-ta-wasl with Lam / Sukoon / is a Non Vocative particle.

              Sura 53.19 does NOT have Definite Article is constructed using Alif with Fatha, and Lam with with Sukoon, the Lam 'borrows' the sound from the preceding Alif, thus rendering 'Al' /

              Sura 53.19 - 53.23 is speaking to those who elevate themselves, their egos with arrogance. Allah is suggesting these types of personality traits are weak, ineffective and helpless.

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                Al_Khidr
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                Im having a debate with a group of Sunnists who are bent on thinking that Allah is the name of God. So can someone with Arabic knowledge enlightens me regarding this matter? Or if there is some articles about this?

                Salaam

                Here is a link for you

                http//www.freewebs.com/suprememathematics/allah.htm

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