Rememberance of God

God_Within

Peace be upon you OPF,

At the same time I don't believe in your idea of collective consciousness acting as "God". Consistentency and reproducibility are crucial to finding out the truth. I've met people who have had spiritual experiences with "Jesus" and the "Trinity", others who have had all sorts of experiences with their "Gods". All conjured up by their subconscious. It's true that consciousness more or less acts as a base or foundation for all our thoughts and so on and that's where I see consistency but the fact that people experience what they want to experience stands in the way. Someone experiencing "Jesus" takes away all significance in my eyes even if it's the most powerful emotionally-involved experience of their lives.

Conciousness, is THAT which percieves all things....meaning it is THAT which sees, hears, feels, etc through the vehicle of the physical body. WHo is the SEER, the Hearer, etc? None other that God. Conciousness is who and what we are, it is not a faculty we have , it is our identity, the very core of existence.

Thoughts of Jesus, Buddha, or whoever are THINGS, conciousness is NO-THING. Let me say again more directly, THOUGHTS are things, they are matter, conciousness is "anti-matter", it is the realm where there is no form, nor , space, nor time. SO when people talk of spiritual experiences with THINGS, that is not equal to the experience of total "no-thing-ness". God is THAT which manifests the THINGS.

I hope that resolves the disagreement you have with my position. If not I would like to discuss it more.

nerspi

peace

hmm, ok from reading quran (or other scriptures) i can see God being talked about as if He is seperate from us... not part of us... even though somehow it says He put in us of His energy, which is still somewhat unclear a bit, but ok.
rest of the scripture talks about how we should behave like, and it criticizes us humans a bit... so it may be hard (maybe just for me) to understand God being us or our identity because in that case i would see no point in sending revelations... because we should already know it

Joe_Betik

salaam

perhaps this maybe of some assistance in your ponderment, or meditation;

surah 3

Alif-lam-meem
Allahu la ilaha illa huwa alhayyu alqayyoomu

the translation available at free-minds.org is

31 A.L.M.
32 God, there is no god but He, the Living, the Sustainer.

but i sense the key phrase is 'alhayyu alqayyoom'.

what could you make if the two verses read like this?

Feel!
God is no god unless He is the 'Infinite Energy'?

the spirit of God is within.
perhaps the enlightened can feel it.

but idiots like me are still grappling!

peace

mohammed noh

God_Within

Peace be upon you,

hmm, ok from reading quran (or other scriptures) i can see God being talked about as if He is seperate from us... not part of us... even though somehow it says He put in us of His energy, which is still somewhat unclear a bit, but ok.
rest of the scripture talks about how we should behave like, and it criticizes us humans a bit... so it may be hard (maybe just for me) to understand God being us or our identity because in that case i would see no point in sending revelations... because we should already know it

God is omnipresent, therefore you cannot look at anyperson and say, God is not right there, if you could, how could God be omnipresent. Things must be seperated and put in metaphors and stories so we can learn. One must break down the whole of the human body into respiratory system, circulatory system, etc so that we can understand how the WHOLE operates.

nerspi

peace

well sure i understand God being everywhere, omnipresent, what's curious to me is that in what connection is He with us.

like if we take that ocean analogy, ok lets make it cloud, and rain falls from it, and sure we see raindrops as seperate, there's millions individual rain drops yes just a few minutes ago they were 1 (forming a cloud).
so if we understand God as that cloud and us as raindrops... what does that mean? like, that we have a piece of God in us? like it says He breathed in us of His energy, what is that, like we are a... part God?
in that case, why is it wrong for humans to claim we're Gods, or God? (like pharaoh did)

now ok that would kinda contradict 'none is like Him' in one of the last vesrses of quran (1124). plus it still doesn't answer 'how come we comit evil' or 'why send us revelations (if we are a piece of Him)'

ok i have to ask this how many parts are we made from?
is it soul+bad side, that suggests evil(shaytan...)+good side, that suggests good(God's breath/energy...)?
or is it soul(which IS God's energy)+bad side?

God_Within

Peace be upon you Nerspi,

well sure i understand God being everywhere, omnipresent, what's curious to me is that in what connection is He with us.

like if we take that ocean analogy, ok lets make it cloud, and rain falls from it, and sure we see raindrops as seperate, there's millions individual rain drops yes just a few minutes ago they were 1 (forming a cloud).
so if we understand God as that cloud and us as raindrops... what does that mean?

It means you have to do what God said and "change your qiblah". You are looking outward, where things appear seperate. In your question you immediately seperated God and Man when you said "God as cloud, us as raindrops", but arent we both that watery substance that changes manifestations? If we look DEEPER into the matter (pun intended) we notice that both the rain, and the cloud are made from protons, nuetrons, and electrons, in fact, all material is comprised of these same ingredients.

like, that we have a piece of God in us? like it says He breathed in us of His energy, what is that, like we are a... part God?
in that case, why is it wrong for humans to claim we're Gods, or God? (like pharaoh did)

God is the one conciousness that experiences through all of our vehicles. While God encompasses all of "us" , "we" cannot encompass God. The difference between the ocean and a rain drop is that a raindrop cannot nourish the millions of forms of fish in the world.

now ok that would kinda contradict 'none is like Him' in one of the last vesrses of quran (1124).

No raindrop is like the ocean of electrons, protons, and nuetrons, but all is made of that same substance.

plus it still doesn't answer 'how come we comit evil' or 'why send us revelations (if we are a piece of Him)'

Because mankind is created "weak", just like a baby that must be grown into adulthood, you must grow into your Godliness.

ok i have to ask this how many parts are we made from?
is it soul+bad side, that suggests evil(shaytan...)+good side, that suggests good(God's breath/energy...)?
or is it soul(which IS God's energy)+bad side?

Many cultures break the cosmology of being into many different arrangements...two, three, four, seven, nine, eleven, etc. All are valid for what they are trying to explain. Sometimes in this reading(quran) we are told to focus on the ONE, others on the TWO such as when we are told all things are created in pairs.....or FOUR such as the example to Ibrahim on how God gives life to the earth thats dead, etc

The particular understanding I have found to be most helpful is man is made of 11 faculties. If you want to learn more about that you can get the book "Maat The 11 Laws of God" by Ra Un Nefer Amen. For now though I would meditate on the ONE understanding, it will help you with the above questions that I hope I answered satisfactorilly

nerspi

peace God Within

yeah i'm understanding it better now.
but you'd agree that not all of God is seperated, right? there's still more of... "the cloud".

i've also heard some say like, God is love, or, God is life... but, how do you talk to love or life? does it answer back? i kinda don't get that part for now.

i'm more curious now about talking to Him.

if you don't mind me asking, do you do astral projection?
or have you had such experience, or maybe a near-death experience?

in a way, i think God can be reached better there, in that spirit world. now i know He's already here, all the time, close to us, but somehow i still think we may be too distracted by this world to actually hear Him. it does say in the quran about 3 ways we He talks to us (sending a messenger, inspiration or behind a barrier), so i'd assume going behind this barrier is like having an obe, which also may be one of the possibilities how messengers got the revelations.

Real_Truth

You are made in the "image" of God and told that you have command over the submitting malaika -controlling forces of this ONE ENERGY of Creation. Get to teaching them

May Peace, salaam, shalom, nirvana, wu ji, etc be upon you.

You were fine in the letter until you got to this point what do you mean "image" of God

God_Within

Peace be upon you,

peace God Within

yeah i'm understanding it better now.
but you'd agree that not all of God is seperated, right? there's still more of... "the cloud".

Yes, Being is a duality, just like you and I, there is a part of us that percieves but itself cannot be percieved. The part of you that sees through the eyes, hears through the ears, etc cannot ITSELF be seen or heard. We are created in the image of God. The part that cannt be percieved is that rest of "the cloud"

i've also heard some say like, God is love, or, God is life... but, how do you talk to love or life? does it answer back? i kinda don't get that part for now.

I dont agree with those associations so I cannot comment.

i'm more curious now about talking to Him.

if you don't mind me asking, do you do astral projection?
or have you had such experience, or maybe a near-death experience?

I cannot say I have astral projected at this point but I have made some major changes in my life very recently that I think will help my spirituality greatly, finaly trancended some bad habits, so hopefully I will be able to try to VERIFY such experiences.

in a way, i think God can be reached better there, in that spirit world. now i know He's already here, all the time, close to us, but somehow i still think we may be too distracted by this world to actually hear Him. it does say in the quran about 3 ways we He talks to us (sending a messenger, inspiration or behind a barrier), so i'd assume going behind this barrier is like having an obe, which also may be one of the possibilities how messengers got the revelations.

Ohhhh, yes, absolutely. Going into the Trance state is where we need to go, in fact we go into trance states all the time unknowingly (and can be scientifically proven by testing brain wave patterns. Meditation is one of the best means of getting into that state. I cannot speak too much about that at this time either. I go into trance often but I have not had the experiences that I have WITNESSED others have just yet, I am working hard at it now though so hopefully soon. God also speaks through symbols in your dreams, which along with trance is probably that barrier. Still much more to be learned/intuited.

God_Within

Peace be upon you Real Truth,

You were fine in the letter until you got to this point what do you mean "image" of God

I mean that we have the same qualities as God, just not the same Quantity. That is what we are here to grow and develop, our God like qualities. I do not mean that God is a white man with a beard, two arms and legs and we all "look" like him, no, by "image" I mean qualities. Just like this reading(quran) states that we were created on God's pattern. )