Why were these unique versions of the Qur'an later destroyed by fire?
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I typed "code 19 is false" into google and got over 2.7 million files, what does that mean?
Out of curiousity, is the evidence/argument you are bringing conform to Quranic criteria or does that not matter? rotfl
Peace.
Those billions file either for Burning Quran or Code 19 do not mean all are pro or against.
I did not want to go trough so many files and first one I study I notice so many Hadith reports about it.
When you ask where God authored number 19 I say 7430
When I ask you simply Y Q Burned ?
If you know just give straight forward answer?
Was it Burned?
If yes then Y?
And what is your source either for burning or not burning ?
7431
Peace.
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Another false hadith in El-bukari.
bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
Peace.
So Quran was not BURNED?
Where is it. Time is precious and we are not in schoolyard playing games.
Just answer straight forward.
And
How many more false reports are there?7431 rotfl
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If there are reports saying it happened, it may well have. Is it relevant? Perhaps once you actually realise the criteria AQ itself gives for determining its authenticity, then maybe you can get a better handle on it's relevance.
Please see this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16279.15 -
bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
Peace.
So Quran was not BURNED?
Where is it. Time is precious and we are not in schoolyard playing games.
Just answer straight forward.
And
How many more false reports are there?7431 rotfl
Peace ?The Quran you are looking for is in your house (Or in your hand). Please, Relax and trust your Lord when he promised to protect the Quran
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The Quran you are looking for is in your house (Or in your hand). Please, Relax and trust your Lord when he promised to protect the Quran
Peace giveupPeace
You are diverting the topic to protection that is different subject .
If you have any evidence for such claim welcome . sun
But
My question is simple and clear.
Was Q Burnt?
Y?
7431 giveup
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Peace.
If there are reports saying it happened, it may well have.
Seems you have doubt about reports when you use ?MAY? )
Is it relevant?
When you naswer question straight forward yes or no then we see how revalant is my question unless you like to keep your shell and do see the facts and truth.
Perhaps once you actually realise the criteria AQ itself gives for determining its authenticity, then maybe you can get a better handle on it's relevance.
Parotting same thing all time is wasting our time. I have stated many times that may people like you which know good Arabic as second language or you are Arab can see those deep pudding in Quran when majority of earth habitant do not have such knowledge and Quran can not authentic without a simple proof to be witness world wide regardless their language. When context of Quran is same older scriptures and is same as those. Unless you tell us
Was Quran Burnt and if No where is Original ?
And if you say Yes WHY?
I see tone of distribution in you response and I hope you do not ban me for saying these things here . peace
Please response straight forward Yes or No.
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Salaams All,
for what its worth i doubt the ayah is talking about a book.
Normal translation;
159
We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it .Using Q.d
159
We have without doubt revealed the good report/ Admonition/ Honour and status/ means of exaltation and We assuredly its guardians.Nearly every set of people know what leads to exaltation- yet they have the choice of following it or not, thus the Zikr( the knowledge) is preserved in every community is it not?
I think Br. Layth did some heavy research regarding the original and the modern quran............but as yet i havent seen his conclusions- but may be i have missed them.
Gods Blessings.
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Salam,
Zikr means rememberance, reminder or something called to mind (or some variation thereof).
Salam,
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Salaams All,
for what its worth i doubt the ayah is talking about a book.
Normal translation;
159
We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it .Using Q.d
159
We have without doubt revealed the good report/ Admonition/ Honour and status/ means of exaltation and We assuredly its guardians.Nearly every set of people know what leads to exaltation- yet they have the choice of following it or not, thus the Zikr( the knowledge) is preserved in every community is it not?
I think Br. Layth did some heavy research regarding the original and the modern quran............but as yet i havent seen his conclusions- but may be i have missed them.
Gods Blessings.
Salam,
Zikr means rememberance, reminder or something called to mind (or some variation thereof).
Salam,
ArnabPeace
Zeker is the Book is the Quran. Please read the following evidences from Quran(٩
We have, without doubt sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (15-9)
Please allow me to explain the Following
The English word ? Message?, in the privious verse, is being used to translate the Arabic word ? Al-Zekr?. In other words, God, in the previous verse, guaranteed to guard the ?Al-Zekr?.In The following verses the word ?Al-zekr? were used to tell us something that we should remember
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(We sent them) with Clear Signs and scriptures and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought. (16-44)Here Al-Zker is what The Prophet Mohamed wrote for us, so he can show us what was revealed to him, in order for us to think.
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And this is a blessed Message which We have sent down will ye then reject it? (21-50)Here, God worn us to not disbelieve the ?Al-Zekr? content.
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"He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man! (25-29)Here, God is Telling us about someone, who went astray by not following the ?Al-Zekr?.
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We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for Him this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear (36-69)Here, God is telling us that The ?Al-Zekr? is the Al-Quran.
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Those who reject the Message when it comes to them (are not hidden from Us); and indeed it is a Book of exalted power. (41-41)Here, God is telling us that ?El-Zekr? is ?El-Ketab? (The Book).
My Friend, please do not let "Code 19 plot" lead you to doubt and disbelieve the Clear and Decisive verses that prove that ?El-Zker? can not be tampered with.
Peace
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Salam,
I read your post, but zikr means "to remember; to call to mind" what one is remembering or calling to mind is in the context of the verse or verses.
For the record, I am not a 19-er.
Salam,
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Salam,
I read your post, but zikr means "to remember; to call to mind" what one is remembering or calling to mind is in the context of the verse or verses.
For the record, I am not a 19-er.
Salam,
ArnabPeace
The word "Zeker" is different from "Yata-Zeker". Zeker is smething that we use to remide us. The Word Yata-Zeker is to remeber. Trust me, I'm an Arabic native. Also, the Quran Verses that I mention says so.
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The word "Zeker" is different from "Yata-Zeker". Zeker is smething that we use to remide us. The Word Yata-Zeker is to remeber. Trust me, I'm an Arabic native. Also, the Quran Verses that I mention says so.
PeaceSalam,
We have no disagreement with the above.
The only point is that it does not mean exclusively "book."Salam,
Arnab -
Salam,
We have no disagreement with the above.
The only point is that it does not mean exclusively "book."Salam,
ArnabThose who reject the Message (Zeker) when it comes to them; and indeed it is (The Zeker) a Book of exalted power. (41-41)
Here, God is telling us that ?El-Zekr? is ?El-Ketab? (The Book).
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Those who reject the Message (Zeker) when it comes to them; and indeed it is (The Zeker) a Book of exalted power. (41-41)
Here, God is telling us that ?El-Zekr? is ?El-Ketab? (The Book).
Al-quran is the book
Al-Zekr is the book
and the book is the bookeven though there wasn't a book at the time of Mohammad, according to history, but yet again when ayah 22 was received by Mohammad the book existed according to 22.
Remarkable or are we making a book when there was not a book?
A book which no one can alter and yet again anyone of us can alter it if we wanted to and even though the said book has actually been altered.
God Bless all who look for truth rather then sticking to their artificial beliefs.
peace
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Salam,
Again, linguistically speaking the root zikr is to remember and the root kitab is book.
You can say that zikr is referring to book based on the context of what you are reading.
But the root zikr does not mean book independently.
You can say that you think that zikr is referring to book.
You can say that you think that it is symbolic.
You cannot say that the root word zikr means book.Salam,
Arnab -
Al-quran is the book
Al-Zekr is the book
and the book is the bookeven though there wasn't a book at the time of Mohammad, according to history, but yet again when ayah 22 was received by Mohammad the book existed according to 22.
Remarkable or are we making a book when there was not a book?
A book which no one can alter and yet again anyone of us can alter it if we wanted to and even though the said book has actually been altered.
God Bless all who look for truth rather then sticking to their artificial beliefs.
peace
Salam,
Again, linguistically speaking the root zikr is to remember and the root kitab is book.
You can say that zikr is referring to book based on the context of what you are reading.
But the root zikr does not mean book independently.
You can say that you think that zikr is referring to book.
You can say that you think that it is symbolic.
You cannot say that the root word zikr means book.Salam,
ArnabSalam every body
Dear Arnab & Simple
The revelation that God sent to Mohamed (PBUH) has many names. Each name refers to a character of the revelation. Here are some of the names that I can recall, and the reason of such names
?AlKetab? its root word is ?Katb?, which means write. Thus ?Alketab? refers to something is written, which means The Book.
AlQuran its root word is ?Qara?, which means read. Thus ?Alquran? refers to something that can be read.
Al-Huda its root word is ?Hada?, which means shows the write way. Thus, ?Al-Huda? refers to something that leads to the write path.
Al-Hak its root word is ?Hak?, which means the Ultimate Truth. Thus, Al-Hak refers to something that leads to the Ultimate Truth.
Al-Kest?? Its root word is ?Kast?, which means ?fairness?. Thus, Al-Kest refers to something that when used it will deliver fairness.
Hokm its root word is ?Hakm?, which means ?issuing Laws and Rules?. Thus ?Hokm Allah? refers to the Laws of Allah.
Al-Ziker Its Root word is ?Zaker?, which means remind. Thus, Al-Ziker refers to something that remind people when forgetting.The Arabic words can look the same but means different things; example, Zaker means remind, but Zakr means remembered.
I hope I cleared some of the Confusion.
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Salam,
Belalhammad as I said before we have no arguement in the word zikr meaning remind, remember or some variation thereof depending on the way the word is spelled.
What i am saying is one cannot say that zikr is a word that specifically means "book" or some variation thereof.
We can say yes, the Quran is a reminder but zikr on its own never means book.
I, too, know Arabic.
Also, I probably should have said this clearer in my posts. I sometimes use just one or two words as an English definition of the Arabic word for simple discussion purposes.
Especially since most of us know Arabic or are learning Arabic.
I do not mean that it is only the one word that is the exact translation.
This was only to simplify the discussion, but I see it caused confusion.
Just to summarize
The revelation that God sent to Mohamed (PBUH) has many names. Each name refers to a character of the revelation. Here are some of the names that I can recall, and the reason of such names
?AlKetab? its root word is ?Katb?, which means write. Thus ?Alketab? refers to something is written, which means The Book.
AlQuran its root word is ?Qara?, which means read. Thus ?Alquran? refers to something that can be read.
Al-Huda its root word is ?Hada?, which means shows the write way. Thus, ?Al-Huda? refers to something that leads to the write path.
Al-Hak its root word is ?Hak?, which means the Ultimate Truth. Thus, Al-Hak refers to something that leads to the Ultimate Truth.
Al-Kest?? Its root word is ?Kast?, which means ?fairness?. Thus, Al-Kest refers to something that when used it will deliver fairness.
Hokm its root word is ?Hakm?, which means ?issuing Laws and Rules?. Thus ?Hokm Allah? refers to the Laws of Allah.
Al-Ziker Its Root word is ?Zaker?, which means remind. Thus, Al-Ziker refers to something that remind people when forgetting.The Arabic words can look the same but means different things; example, Zaker means remind, but Zakr means remembered.
There is no disagreement or misunderstanding of the above. Yes, it is very simple.
The disagreement arises when a person says that if one reads "zikr" independently and says it means "book/writing or some variation thereof."
For example If you read 2150
zikr cannot be "book." You can say you think that the reminder indicated is alluding to alkitab but you cannot say that it is alkitab
because the word used is zikr.I respect the fact that you may disagree but I hope that at least you understand what I am trying to say.
Salam,
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Salam,
Belalhammad as I said before we have no arguement in the word zikr meaning remind, remember or some variation thereof depending on the way the word is spelled.
What i am saying is one cannot say that zikr is a word that specifically means "book" or some variation thereof.
We can say yes, the Quran is a reminder but zikr on its own never means book.
I, too, know Arabic.
Also, I probably should have said this clearer in my posts. I sometimes use just one or two words as an English definition of the Arabic word for simple discussion purposes.
Especially since most of us know Arabic or are learning Arabic.
I do not mean that it is only the one word that is the exact translation.
This was only to simplify the discussion, but I see it caused confusion.
Just to summarize
There is no disagreement or misunderstanding of the above. Yes, it is very simple.
The disagreement arises when a person says that if one reads "zikr" independently and says it means "book/writing or some variation thereof."
For example If you read 2150
zikr cannot be "book." You can say you think that the reminder indicated is alluding to alkitab but you cannot say that it is alkitab
because the word used is zikr.I respect the fact that you may disagree but I hope that at least you understand what I am trying to say.
Salam,
ArnabPeace
Ziker, as you said does not mean The word "Book". But, as I said in my last post, God used this word, beside other words to name his book. Thus, 21-50 refers to the Book, but useing other name "Ziker".
I'm sure that is true 100%. Thus, 15-9 refers to the "Book", the Quran, The Kest, the Hak, the Huda.
Thus, the Book is guarded by God.
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Salam,
Okay, now we understand each other.
And yes I'm 100% sure that the Quran is protected.
There are other verses to prove this. 2-2 being the most impressive to me.Salam,
Arnab
