Moon Cracked

Fajr

I agree with belalhamad , inshaka means just cracked only not split . First time I've noticed that because of the interference of ahadiths in my knowledge .

TAJ

Salam Belal,

Will, I was asking does any body know any think about this pictuer, because if is true, thin the Quran verse indecates that the judgment day is near. According to Quran, the Insheqaq of moon will happen, if it did not happend.

Are you in doubt of the Quran? What is so significant about the picture if you already trust the Quran? And what if the 'end' was near? It has always been near. What does 'far' and 'near' mean to us when death is less than a breath away from us?

AlFajr

Salam Everyone
7187 They ask you regarding the Hour ?When will be its time?? Say ?Its knowledge is with my Lord, none can reveal its coming except Him. It is heavy through the heavens and the Earth; it will not come to you except suddenly.? They ask you, as if you are responsible for it! Say ?Its knowledge is with God, but most people do not know.?

I don't think anyone can predict the end. The above verse says it will come "suddenly".

Edip_Yuksel

We are not talking about the Hadith, we are talking about Quran

Dear Belal Hammad

Below are the translation of the first six verses followed by the endnotes (See QRT)

540 In the name of God, the Gracious, the Compassionate.
541 The moment drew near, and the moon was split.*
542 If they see a sign, they turn away and say, "Continuous magic!"
543 They rejected, and followed their desires, and every old tradition.*
544 While the news had come to them in which there was sufficient warning.
545 A perfect wisdom; but the warnings are of no benefit.
546 So turn away from them; the day will come when the caller will announce a terrible disaster.

Notes

054001 Hadith narrators and collectors misunderstood this verse and tried to support their misunderstanding by the fabrication of a hadith reporting that Muhammad split the Moon by pointing at it with his finger. Some narrators did not stop there and claimed that half of the Moon fell in the backyard of Ali, Muhammad's son-in-law. The believers of this hadith are silent to the critical questions about the event. Why didn't populations of other countries witness this incredible event? If there were such an astronomical event, many people from China to Africa would have noticed and recorded it. Besides, this traditional interpretation contradicts the Quran, which specifically limits the signs given to Muhammad to be the signs contained in the Quran alone (2950-51). The splitting of the Moon was fulfilled when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon and astronauts took some rocks from the Moon back to earth in July 1969. The word shaqqa, which we translated as "split," does not necessarily mean splitting in half (see 8026; 5044). When this event was happening, Dr. Rashad Khalifa was uploading the Quran to his computer in St. Louis. Splitting the surface of the Moon was the start of his work, which led to the historical discovery of the miraculous mathematical system based on code 19, prophesied in chapter 74, which happened in 1974. Thus, the following verse relates to this discovery. See 741-56; 2782; 381-8; 4028-38; 4610; 7228.

054003 The verse also may be read differently and understood as, "They denied and followed their wishful thinking. Indeed, every affair will find its right place."

Edip_Yuksel

Salam Everyone
7187 They ask you regarding the Hour ?When will be its time?? Say ?Its knowledge is with my Lord, none can reveal its coming except Him. It is heavy through the heavens and the Earth; it will not come to you except suddenly.? They ask you, as if you are responsible for it! Say ?Its knowledge is with God, but most people do not know.?

I don't think anyone can predict the end. The above verse says it will come "suddenly".

You are right, none can predict the end. But, if God provides information through revelation then one might learn from it. As for the "suddenly" (baghtata), please note that all verses mentioning its sudden happening is about disbelievers. They will not believe it would happen in advance, despite its signs.

Peace,
Edip

TAJ

Salam Aalmakto,

Salam Everyone
7187 They ask you regarding the Hour ?When will be its time?? Say ?Its knowledge is with my Lord, none can reveal its coming except Him. It is heavy through the heavens and the Earth; it will not come to you except suddenly.? They ask you, as if you are responsible for it! Say ?Its knowledge is with God, but most people do not know.?

I don't think anyone can predict the end. The above verse says it will come "suddenly".

The Day of Accountability for mankind is getting closer and closer, yet they are heedless and are turning away from the admonition.

The strike of the hour is going to be sudden, but the final chapter of this dunya is getting nearer. First by our life/time, as we grow nearer to death and second by the Hour as it is drawing nearer to us. The two points are moving towards each other by the second. So at least we know that we are not getting further from the Hour.

unknownuser

Peace Edip,

The splitting of the Moon was fulfilled when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon and astronauts took some rocks from the Moon back to earth in July 1969.

The Moon gets pounded by meteorites all the time and rocks flicked off made it to earth on their own?

http//www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=2341

Moon rock odyssey
A meteorite found in Oman in 2002 can be traced back to the Imbrium basin and the crater Lalande on the lunar nearside.

When this event was happening, Dr. Rashad Khalifa was uploading the Quran to his computer in St. Louis. Splitting the surface of the Moon was the start of his work, which led to the historical discovery of the miraculous mathematical system based on code 19, prophesied in chapter 74, which happened in 1974.

So everything 19 is something and God standard for time is Julius Caesar/Pope Greg Calendar with pagan months/days, right?

Sunday (sun) = Dimanche (dies Domini, Lord's day)
Monday (moon) = Lundi (moon)
Tuesday (Tiw) = Mardi (Mars, god of war)
Wednesday (Woden, Odin) = Mercredi (Mercury, messenger god)
Thursday (Thor) = Jeudi (Jove, Jupiter, top god)
Friday (Frigg, Freya) = Vendredi (Venus, god of love)
Saturday (Saturn, Roman god of agriculture) = Samedi (Sabbath day)

Nixon ?I am not a crook? and peace gesticulation in 1974.

http//www.historicaldocuments.com/RichardNixonHelicopter.jpg

Peace

Edip_Yuksel

So everything 19 is something and God standard for time is Julius Caesar/Pope Greg Calendar with pagan months/days, right?

Dear Nun I do not have time to respond in detail to your criticism and problems with the great mathematical signs of the Quran. But here is a hint

If God can use the language made up mostly by pagans and uppreciative people, why could the same God not use the calendar made up by them? To appreciate why God is using the most widely accepted calendar to show people His signs require less prejudice and more introspective questioning.

BTW, Which calendar are you using for your daily schedule?

As for the meteorites... Well, from our perspective, humans splitting a piece of moon is much more interesting than the meteorites doing the same. Furthermore, our achievement in 1969 was because of God's blessing, and God pulls our attention to his blessings, such as ability to understand and discover His laws in the nature and use that knowledge to advance technology.

As for your insertion of Nixon and "crook" into the year 1974, that is the difference between us. We focused on the blessings and signs, you focused on the negative and crookedness. Have you seen those who do not appreciate the Quran focusing on verses about "hell" and "violence"? Look at the mirror and see where you stand in terms of witnessing the "one of the greatest" (7426-37)? Do you see great signs or a great hellfire? Do you see smoke when you read those verses or do you see the light of divine wisdom?

Well, I hope you will demonstrate some patience to read the following article

Which One Do You See Hell or Miracle?

http//www.19.org/index.php?id=14,175,0,0,1,0

Peace,
Edip

unknownuser

Splitting the surface of the Moon was the start of his work, which led to the historical discovery of the miraculous mathematical system based on code 19, prophesied in chapter 74, which happened in 1974. Thus, the following verse relates to this discovery.

Thanks, you are even more funny than the Sunnis. rotfl

Layth

Salam,

I agree with Edip that this event/prophecy took place in 1969, but for different reasons.

The word shaaq also has the meaning to breach (we still use the term in Arabic today such as saying shaaq alwaqlad tareequhu illa albayt - the boy made his way home). Thus, man reaching the moon in itself was the great prophecy of 541 (the breaching of the moon).

As for the photoshop pics that are being circulated of a great rift, they are just that.

TAJ

Salam Layth, All,

Salam,
The word shaaq also has the meaning to breach (we still use the term in Arabic today such as saying shaaq alwaqlad tareequhu illa albayt - the boy made his way home).

There is no "q" in the word "alwaqlad ". This is a note for those who don't know Arabic.

unknownuser

Salaams All,

with respects to all views here is an alternative one which may be the right one

Could the moon splitting be as simple as lane is saying!

541

this little piece is from lanes

waqadh wainshaqqaalqamaru =and the case hath become manifest

I suppose it could be as we say "It?s clear as day".

So using the message Trans

The Hour draws near, and the case hath become manifest.
And if they see a sign, they turn away and Say Continuous magic!?
And they disbelieved, and followed their desires, and every old tradition.
While the news had come to them in which there was sufficient warning.
A perfect wisdom; but the warnings are of no benefit.
So turn away from them; the Day will come when the caller will announce a terrible disaster.
With their eyes humiliated, they come out of the graves like scattered locusts.
Hastening towards the caller, the rejecters will Say This is a difficult Day.

God Bless.

belH

Peace Every Body
Sorry, I was away from my computer.
Any way, My posting was for some reasons that I wanted. First, I wanted to find out if the picture is real or fake. Because if it is real then I think we have a very strong sign that can be used to support that the Quran is a divine message from God and not was written by a false prophet. In other words, how did Mohamed (PBUH) know that the Moon was cracked or will crack.
As far as the Hadith of Splitting the Moon, I think the Verse says Cracking and not Splitting; Moreover, the action ?In-Shaq? means it Cracked and will stay cracked; but if ?In-Shaq? means splitting, then the splitting happened and it will stay split. In other words, the Verb refers to a continues action.
That is what I understand when reading the Verse. Maybe I?m right or maybe I?m wrong.
Any way, please if any one find out about if the picture is not fake, please let me know.
Peace

unknownuser

If God can use the language made up mostly by pagans and uppreciative people, why could the same God not use the calendar made up by them?

Dear Edip Which one?

http//webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar.html

Which calendar do over a billion Chinese use to celebrate their New Year?

What about the billion or so Indians for their holidays?

What about the billion or so Muslims and Jews, etc?

BTW, Which calendar are you using for your daily schedule?

I'm forced to use Microsoft Outlook released January 16, 1997. 1161997 / 19 = 61157.7368

As for the meteorites... Well, from our perspective, humans splitting a piece of moon is much more interesting than the meteorites doing the same. Furthermore, our achievement in 1969 was because of God's blessing, and God pulls our attention to his blessings, such as ability to understand and discover His laws in the nature and use that knowledge to advance technology.

Yes and humans split atoms and landed robots on mars and will recreate a mini bang.

http//www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/science/15cern.html?ex=1336881600&en=7825f6702d7071e7&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

What?s your point; how does it support claim that the Gregorian year 1974 CE is special in Qur?an?

As for your insertion of Nixon and "crook" into the year 1974, that is the difference between us. We focused on the blessings and signs, you focused on the negative and crookedness.

No, it was what came to mind since lots of things happened that year ? I was going to use the momentous meeting between Elvis and Nixon although that was in 1970? ;D

http//blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/elvis%20nixon_thumb.jpg

Have you seen those who do not appreciate the Quran focusing on verses about "hell" and "violence"? Look at the mirror and see where you stand in terms of witnessing the "one of the greatest" (7426-37)? Do you see great signs or a great hellfire? Do you see smoke when you read those verses or do you see the light of divine wisdom?

I read Qur?an ? Alif-L?m-M?m.

Not 1-30-40 or whatever numbers looking/searching for all things multiple of 19.

Well, I hope you will demonstrate some patience to read the following article

Which One Do You See Hell or Miracle?

http//www.19.org/index.php?id=14,175,0,0,1,0

OK I?ll read.

Although at first glance it?s mostly nonsense; 1/19 or 5% of infinity is a multiple of 19.

Now you show the correct rendition of this simple verse ? how it?s protected by 19 codes?

Alif-L?m-M?m
Alif-M?m-L?m
L?m-Alif-M?m
L?m-M?m-Alif
M?m-Alif-L?m
M?m-L?m-Alif

Thank God for all those who inspired to recite and remember Qur?an.

Taken from the same chapter?

And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5417)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5422)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5432)
And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember? (5440)

Peace

Edip_Yuksel

Nun de plume Dear Edip Which one?

http//webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar.html
Which calendar do over a billion Chinese use to celebrate their New Year?
What about the billion or so Indians for their holidays?
What about the billion or so Muslims and Jews, etc?

Good question. Why then you ignore the Quran since God did not choose Chinese, nor Hindu nor English, but Arabic language? If the year 1974 is too foreign for you then you are not responsible to appreciate it. Ignoring the incredible Quranic prophecy regarding the time of discovery by ignoring the most commonly KNOWN and USED calendar in the world can only be explained by one word

What?s your point; how does it support claim that the Gregorian year 1974 CE is special in Qur?an?

Do you know the prophetic examples? Have you seen the article in the thirdi appendix of the Quran a Reformist Translation?

No, it was what came to mind since lots of things happened that year ? I was going to use the momentous meeting between Elvis and Nixon although that was in 1970? ;D

Your mockery of one of the great signs will not lead you anywhere but regret.

I read Qur?an ? Alif-L?m-M?m.
Not 1-30-40 or whatever numbers looking/searching for all things multiple of 19.

They are not words, but letters/numbers. In fact, letters were used as numbers during the revelation of the Quran. Go a bit educate yourself about the history of mathematics.

OK I?ll read.

I am waiting for your reaction.

belH

Good question. Why then you ignore the Quran since God did not choose Chinese, nor Hindu nor English, but Arabic language? If the year 1974 is too foreign for you then you are not responsible to appreciate it. Ignoring the incredible Quranic prophecy regarding the time of discovery by ignoring the most commonly KNOWN and USED calendar in the world can only be explained by one word

Do you know the prophetic examples? Have you seen the article in the thirdi appendix of the Quran a Reformist Translation?

Your mockery of one of the great signs will not lead you anywhere but regret.

They are not words, but letters/numbers. In fact, letters were used as numbers during the revelation of the Quran. Go a bit educate yourself about the history of mathematics.

I am waiting for your reaction.

Dear Edip Yuksel
Please I would like to get your comments when you read my post (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16725.30) regrading The "Code 19 plote".

Peace

unknownuser

Good question. Why then you ignore the Quran since God did not choose Chinese, nor Hindu nor English, but Arabic language?

We know why Qur?an is in Arabic??And if We made it a non-Arabic, they would have said "If only its verses were explained?? Calendars, systems for distance as metric system, languages we converse in (e.g. English), and write code like using C, http, or any protocol agreed to as a standard; these all can change ? Qur?an revealed in Arabic cannot.

If the year 1974 is too foreign for you then you are not responsible to appreciate it.

Reminds me of this gypsy friend who had two wives, a dozen kids, and spent his entire summer hanging out by the lake playing soccer, swimming, eating, sleeping, etc., and once said to me ?
?Everyday for me is Saturday.? ;D <--- yes that was him all happy.

The year 1974 means nothing and is only a reference point same as the verse # 1974 is no different than a place holder in a book which makes for quicker lookup.

Do you know the prophetic examples? Have you seen the article in the thirdi appendix of the Quran a Reformist Translation?

No. Did you skip answering this?

Alif-L?m-M?m
Alif-M?m-L?m
L?m-Alif-M?m
L?m-M?m-Alif
M?m-Alif-L?m
M?m-L?m-Alif

If simplest was hard; use 19 to find correct rendition of 1132 and don?t cheat by looking?

Min ma sharri khalaqa
From what evil He created

Min sharri ma khalaqa
From evil what He created

Min ma khalaqa sharri
From what He created evil

Geo values are same. Want to try 411 with 70 words, permutation = 10^100 or Google?

A hafiz with Qur?an committed to memory will immediately tell you the correct rendition ? that is how Qur?an was/is preserved??And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember??

unknownuser

They are not words, but letters/numbers. In fact, letters were used as numbers during the revelation of the Quran.

Really, which letter/numbers were used for 19 or did Qur?an use words?

AAalayha tisAAata AAashara

On it nineteen

Go a bit educate yourself about the history of mathematics.

Only got as far as differential equations; did get A+ in the class and this story comes to mind except their "Sacred Tetractys? was 10.

THE UNSPEAKABLE TRAGEDY
http//www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/pyth3.htm

"Himself" had said it "Everything is number!"

I am waiting for your reaction.

http//www.19.org/index.php?id=14,175,0,0,1,0

Though the function of 19 is listed in Chapter 74, Muddassir (The Hidden One), its implication and fulfillment was kept hidden according to God's will as the Quran's secret for 19x74 lunar years after its revelation to Muhammad. However, the All-wise God, unveiled this secret via a monotheist scientist in 1974, according to the most commonly used calendar, a calendar allegedly based on the birth of Jesus, which is considered a holy day and the sign of the End (1915).

Had to stop reading; please confirm/prove the exact birth year and date of revelation mentioned above?

Thanks...

"And say "Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Surely! falsehood is ever bound to vanish."

darcus

Peace all.

Sorry to bring this back on topic... but

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_Imbrium

Shows that the furrows in the location on the moon as shown on the picture (if I have located it correctly) are know as the Imbrium Sculpture

"Surrounding the Imbrium Basin is a region blanketed by ejecta from the impact, extending roughly 800 km outward. Also encircling the Imbrium basin is a pattern of radial grooves called the Imbrium Sculpture, which have been interpreted as furrows cut in the Moon's surface by large projectiles blasted out of the basin at low angles, causing them to skim across the lunar surface ploughing out these features. Furthermore, a Moon-wide pattern of faults which run both radial to and concentric to the Imbrium basin were thought to have been formed by the Imbrium impact; the event literally shattered the Moon's entire lithosphere. At the region of the Moon's surface exactly opposite Imbrium Basin there is a region of chaotic terrain which is thought to have been formed when the seismic waves of the impact were focused there after travelling through the Moon's interior. Mare Imbrium is about 750 miles long." (Wikipedia)

I think you will see that these 'crack's are not really cracks at all in the sense that you are all looking at them.

Ta
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burhan

As muslims we shouldn't get dogmatic and cynically entrenched in our views because we have argued about it for so long. This is not progress.

Linguistically I agree with Layth on this one but don't restrict it to 69. 64 is equally important as it was the first successful un-manned moon landing. So I think it relates that whole era.

But if tomorrow some crazy decided to nuke the moon (was suggested in 50s to test weapons) then we know what that verse is referring too.

Regarding 1974, both Edip and Nun are wrong, because they both think they know how God works.