Do Jinn Exist as Seperate Beings?

Layth

A BRIEF ACCOUNT OF THE TRUE NATURE OF THE "UFO ENTITIES"
From Flying Saucer Review Vol. 29, No. 5
by Gordon Creighton

"They are inveterate liars and deceivers, and delight in bamboozling and misleading mankind with all manner of nonsense."

This article, which appeared originally in FSR 29/1 (October 1983) is reprinted now at the request of a number of readers, and to remind all our readers of what lies ahead for Mankind. Ever since its publication, the article has been treated throughout the world with total silence, and there is a general agreement among all Ufologists on both sides of the Atlantic never to give it a mention.

FSR Consultant Dr Richard F. Haines expected me to print his comphrehensive REVIEW OF EXPLANATORY HYPOTHESES FOR UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA, and I promptly did so. (FSR 32/2 - 1987. ) But it might be noted that he did not deem it necessary to include the slightest reference to my work in his survey, even as a minimal gesture of courtesy.

Four of the leading experts in Ufology in the world have written me privately to say that they think I am on the right track. Only one of them - Ann Druffel - has had the guts to say so publicly.

One of the more curious features of the followers of the various religions is that, being so dogmatically certain that in their own particular little faith they already possess the whole Truth about all things in Heaven and Earth, it almost never occurs to any of them to look elsewhere and find out what the followers of other religions may know or may have discovered.

This is certainly a pity, for study of all the great worldreligions -- and notably Islam -- would yield valuable clues as to the true nature of the so-called "UFO Phenomenon" and would rapidly eliminate much of the fatuous "Space-Age Mythology" that has been spawned in such profusion over the last three decades.

Islam knows, in fact, of the existence of THREE entirely separate and distinct species of intelligent beings in the Universe, and indeed can furnish suprisingly precise details regarding their natures and roles and activities.

ANGELS, MEN, AND JINNS
The first category is of course that of the ANGELS or Messengers (Greek ANGELOS; Hebrew MALACH; Arabic MALAK). These are high beings created of LIGHT.

The second category, however, and the one with which we are here concerned, is the category of those beings (CREATED BEFORE MAN WAS) who are referred to collectively in Arabic as AL-JINN. Although there is some dispute about it among Arab grammarians, most of their lexicologists seem to hold that the word derives -as Arabic words almost invariably do -- from a verb-root, namely JANNA, "TO HIDE OR TO CONCEAL" -- indeed a very fitting derivation for the name of these creatures.

The third category are MEN, with bodies created according to the QUR'AN, of CLAY, or, in other words, this being poetic language, they have physical bodies assembled from the mineral and chemical elements of our PERIODIC TABLE -- the "PLANETARY BODY", as Gurdjieff used to call it.

Whereas the bodies of Angels are of light and the bodies of men are of the gross elements of the Earth, the bodies of AL-JINN consist of what is variously translated as "ESSENTIAL FIRE", or "ESSENTIAL FLAME", or "SMOKELESS FIRE", or "SMOKELESS FLAME", and it is specifically stated in the QUR'AN (Surah XV, 26 and 27) THAT THEY WERE CREATED BEFORE MANKIND WAS. (Some scholars have speculated that these might be the "PRE-ADAMIC MEN" whose existence is hinted at here and there in the "Holy Bible." )

There has been much debate among modern students of Arabic as to precisely what these terms "MIN NARI AL-SAMUMI" and "MIN MARIJIN MIN NARIN" can conceivably mean in modern parlance, and some scholars have concluded that, in using these terms, the Prophet Muhammad (the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) was there attempting to describe what Western occultists have tried to describe by such terms as ETHER, or maybe the so-called ETHERIC OR ASTRAL PLANES. (I have also seen it suggested that some sort of PLASMA is indicated. )

(Needless to say, such concepts as ETHERIC PLANE and ASTRAL PLANE have no meaning for modern Science and, so far as I know, apart from Dirac, the physicists have abandoned their speculations regarding the existence of an ether. )

THE SOURCE OF THE JINNS
Wherever it is that the JINNS are thought of as being normally located, it seems highly likely that the source of many of them, at any rate, is not very distant from us, and some Muslim scholars who have become aware of the current Western research into the socalled "UFO Phenomenon" and have reflected awhile upon it have concluded and I think correctly -- that maybe the best way we can start to visualize these matters is by thinking of the JINNS AS BEING VERY CLOSE INDEED TO US AND AND YET AT THE SAME TIME SOMEHOW VERY FAR FROM US. IN OTHER WORDS, ON SOME OTHER DIMENSION, OR IN SOME OTHER SPACE/TIME FRAMEWORK, "RIGHT HERE", OR MAYBE IN A WORLD OF ANTIMATTER RIGHT HERE, OR OCCUPYING AS IT WERE SOME OTHER UNIVERSE THAT IS HERE, BEHIND ALICE'S MIRROR "A MIRROR-UNIVERSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM" AS IT HAS BEEN NEATLY PUT BY SOME INVESTIGATORS.

The QUR'AN, however, is not clear on this, and admittedly it looks as though it is very possible that some of the JINNS could be fully physical and what we call extraterrestrials, while other species of them are of an altogether and finer sort of matter, corresponding to what various UFO investigators have tried to indicate by such terms as "ULTRATERRESTRIAL" or "METATERRESTRIAL".

In thinking about these ideas, we might bear in mind the theory of the Russian philosopher P. D. Ouspensky regarding the possible existence of other, more subtle, levels of matter on which the elements of the Periodic Table of our own chemical world are repeated and, if I understand him aright, repeated more than once, on more than one level. The early writings of Dr. Meade Layne in the USA about the "DENSE ETHERIC WORLD" from which he maintained that the UFO entities and their craft originated should also be borne in mind. (His book, THE COMING OF THE GUARDIANS, was published in 1958, and may prove one day to have been very important indeed. ) Certain of the benevolent JINNS may well be our "Guardians".

That there is some close affinity, or some link of destiny between JINNS and Mankind seems certain, for although the vast majority of the JINNS are DEVILS, SHAYTANS, nevertheless we are assured in the QUR'AN that some among their many species are "goodies" and are capable of salvation. For it is specifically stated that Muhammad was sent as a Messenger to both Mankind and the JINNS, so that, in the Final Days, some of the JINNS will enter into Paradise, while the rest of them will be cast down into Hell. Their revelation to IBLIS, the Top Devil ( = "Satan&quot is in general somewhat obscure. In the QUR'AN IBLIS is certainly described as a JINN, but elsewhere in the QUR'AN he is also described as an ANGEL. (Surely the explanation is that IBLIS is that same high being, originally of Angelic status, who rebelled against God and is named in the Christian texts as "LUCIFER?" )

Had we the space, much more might be said about the JINNS and their doings, but only a brief account of their main characteristics can here be given. Their principal features, as listed below, are as I have gathered them from all the Muslim written and traditional sources that I have been able to consult over the past 15 years. The reader can see for himself the parallels with the reported features of UFO entities and can draw his own conclusions. I hope I do not have to labour the point, space being precious.

THE CHIEF CHARACTERISTICS OF THE JINNS

In the normal state they are not visible to ordinary human sight.
They are, however, capable of materializing and appearing in the physical world. And they can alternately make themselves visible or invisible at will.
They can change shape, and appear in any sort of guise, large or small. (See for example, Ahmad Jamaludin's excellent report, A WAVE OF SMALL HUMANOIDS IN MALAYSIA IN 1970, in FSR Vol. 28, No. 5). Ahmad Jamaludin is a Muslim, and he knows, of course, what it is that we are talking about.
They are able also to appear in the guise of ANIMALS. (Yetis? Pumas? Loch Ness Monsters? )
They are inveterate liars and deceivers, and delight in bamboozling and misleading mankind with all manner of nonsense. (See the average Spiritualist SEANCE for examples of their activities, and also the usual "communications" from UFO entities in close-encounter cases. )
They are addicted to the abduction or kidnapping of humans. (The Scotsman Robert Kirk, who wrote "THE SECRET COMMONWEALTH" in 1691, evidently "knew more than was good for his health", and was killed by them. )
They delight in tempting humans into sexual intercourse and liaisons with them, and Arabic literature abounds with accounts of this kind of contact by mankind with both the "goodies" and the "baddies" among the JINNS. There are also even a considerable number of accounts of encounters between the "goodies" and famous Muslim saints. For example, the book MANAQUIB AL-ARIFIN has a number of very significant references to contacts between such higher beings, and JALAL AL-DIN RUMI, Islam's greatest mystical poet, who lived from 1207 to 1273.

(I often wonder which category of JINNUS it was that was encountered in Brazil by the farmer A. V. B. See my third article on "A. V. B." , POSTCRIPT TO THE MOST AMAZING CASE OF ALL, in FSR Vol. 11, No. 4, August 1965. )

IN OFFICIAL ISLAM - AND THIS CANNOT BE OVER-EMPHASIZED - THE EXISTENCE OF THE JINNS HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMPLETELY ACCEPTED, EVEN LEGALLY, AND EVEN TO THIS DAY, IN ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE. THE FULL CONSEQUENCES IMPLIED BY THEIR EXISTENCE WERE WORKED OUT LONG AGO. THEIR LEGAL STATUS, IN ALL RESPECTS, WAS DISCUSSED AND FIXED, AND THE POSSIBLE RELATIONS BETWEEN THEM AND MANKIND -- ESPECIALLY IN RELATION TO QUESTIONS OF MARRIAGE AND PROPERTY! -- WERE SERIOUSLY EXAMINED BY JURISTS, AS THE GREATEST AND MOST AUTHORITATIVE WESTERN SOURCE, THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF ISLAM, CONFIRMS.

Stories of sexual commerce between JINNS and mankind have been of perennial interest to Arab readers, and it is important at this point to mention that in CHINESE literature (and in China the Han population are not Muslims -- only certain of the smaller minority peoples of the North-West and Far West are) there is also a considerable tradition of this sort which awaits examination by Ufologists.

The great Arabic literary catalogue known as the FIHRIST, compiled in the year 373 of the Muslim Calendar ( = C. E. 995) by Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Abi Ya'qub al-Nadim al-Warraq al-Baghdadi, lists no less than sixteen works dealing with this theme. (Compare also the European occultists' records of sexual contact between men and female SYLPHS, as well as the copious medieval Christian records relating to INCUBI and SUCCABAE. )

Most Westerners will discount all this talk about the JINNS with the usual argument that the Arabs "are barbarians anyway". Let me therefore point out that, in C. E. 995, when the FIHRIST was written, the brilliant civilization of the Arabs was incomparably higher than anything elsewhere in the world except for China and that Christian and Western RENAISSANCE owes its origins as much to our contact with Islam (the Crusades) as to the early percolation of Greek learning to the West.

As a matter of fact quite a lot of the philosophy and the literature of the Greeks reached us first, not in Greek at all, but in the Arabic translations secured from Cordoba and Toledo in Spain in the 10th and 11th centuries, when the Muslims still held most of Spain.

It is only in the last few centuries, and particularly since the Industrial Revolution and the growth of modern materialistic Science, that the West has forged ahead. But in 1200 C. E. Muslim Science was in the lead, particularly in such fields as Medicine, Mathematics, and Astronomy, and it would be grossly impudent to assume that our current "superiority" over them has anything permanent about it.

THE JINNS are wont to snatch up humans and teleport or transport them, setting them down again -- if indeed they ever do set them down again -- miles away from where they were picked up, and all this is the "twinkling of an eye". (See my first article on TELEPORTATIONS, about the Spanish soldier who, on October 25, 1593, was suddenly taken from Manila in the Philippine Islands across the Pacific to Mexico City. In FSR Vol. 11, No. 2, 1965).
The Arabian tradition asserts that, throughout all known history, there have been a few particular human beings who, through some strange favour, have "been in league with the JINNS" or "had a compact with the JINNS" -- to such a degree that the JINNS have endowed them with what we regard as "preternatural powers" -- ie. , PSYCHIC POWERS.

These humans have consequently become known as wonder-workers, soothsayers, and MAGICIANS. (Either "white magicians" or "black magicians", depending of course upon what sort of JINNS they were in league with. )

Here again, compare the European tradition about individuals who have discovered how to collaborate with the KINGDOM OF THE SYLPHS or the FAIRIES. For example, there is the case of the "working partnership", not more than seventy years ago, between a SYLPH and a highly successful Parisian dealer in rare old books. The SYLPH made its contribution by acting as the "scout" and finding out where and in whose possession the rare books were. All the dealer had to do then was to approach the owners and offer to buy!

Along with all these displays of prowess by the JINNS there goes, finally, a tremendous TELEPATHIC POWER and the ability (to use an age-old term) to "CAST A GLAMOUR" over their human victims. Our UFO records are already full of evidence of this.

How much of what we see happening today, at the highest levels of international politics, as well as in ordinary human affairs, can be attributed to this subtle control and interference in our lives by insidious and unseen forces! Indeed, this is one of the prime reasons for the parlous state in which man finds himself. Some recent reports from UFO investigators hint at alien plans to provoke war here and drive the Gadarene Swine (mankind) over into the abyss.

The present-day Christians, who generally seem to have very little sense of curiosity, are apparently quite happy to pass their days in total ignorance of all this. But a careful study of the New Testament (AND ONLY IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK!) will show clearly that nothing of what is said above was unknown either to the Teacher and Healer Jeshu of Nazareth or to his principal followers -particularly Paul. Incidentally, Christians may like to know that in Islam the full name and title of Jeshu of Nazareth is ISSA, SON OF MARY, WORD OF GOD.

Long before the rise of Christianity or Islam there were of course other great Teachers (Messengers) who preceived clearly the situation in which mankind finds itself. One of these was Zarathustra (Zoroaster) in the old Iranian civilization of the Achaemenidae -- about 600 or 700 years B. C. E. The great religious text left by Zarathustra is the AVESTA, which tells us much about the Demonic Forces, referred to under the blanket term of AHRIMAN, the Enemy of Light. Mankind, in this teaching, is seen as a special creation of ORMAZD, the SUPREME SPIRIT, who is locked in permanent conflict with AHRIMAN.

THE SOUL OF MAN IS THE OBJECT OF THE WAR, AND MAN HIMSELF IS THE BATTLEFIELD.

DR. RUDOLPH STEINER
In our days, there has probably been no teacher who saw and understood all this more clearly that the great Austrian Dr. Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925), founder of the Anthroposophical Society.

"Clairvoyant" from childhood, Steiner saw into the other worlds and planes and saw deeply into the human heart, and no books or teachings are so relevant as his are to the crisis of mankind that is now upon us. His lectures throughout 1917, for example, show clearly that he foresaw, in their totality, the political, social, and military results and the police-state tyranny which would inevitably follow from the Russian Revolution, just as the "Lady" of the Apparitions at Fatima in the same year also did.

Steiner foresaw what would result in the world as a whole from a materialistic science run mad the development of "test-tube" man, "biological engineering" and other horrors; the deliberate creation and development of living monsters; and the soul-less, God-less, dehumanized, computerized, insect-like chromium and plastic slave world of "1984" that may now be at hand.

According to Steiner, a tremendous and crucial round in the battle was fought out in the last thirty years of the 19th century and on the Inner Planes, between the Forces of AHRIMAN (the term he took over from Zarathustra) and the FORCES OF LIGHT.

These latter are conventionally known to Western (Christian) tradition as the Cohorts of Michael. Steiner said that the fight ended in a complete victory for the LIGHT, but that, as a result of it, a great many of the powerful demonic beings had been actually cast down upon the planet Earth, with the consequence that their presence and their influence now impinge more than ever upon the prospects and the destiny of mankind.

STEINER TAUGHT THAT THE COMING YEARS WILL SEE INCREDIBLE UPHEAVALS, IN THE COURSE OF WHICH THIS GREAT BATTLE WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD, TO ITS CONCLUSION, INSIDE EVERY HUMAN HEART. See Rudolf Steiner DER STURZ DER GEISTER DER FINSTERNIS (THE OVERTHROW OF THE SPIRITS OF DARKNESS), Series of Lectures, 1917. (Available only in German)

The objective of the Forces of Darkness is to take over the stream of human evolution, to merge with it, and to divert mankind from the evolutionary development "planned" for it. The end result of this would be new creatures in which those qualities that represent the highest that we know would have been eliminated.

Smart-alecky modern man of the Pop Age, the "Trousered Ape" as he has been called, has of course no use for all this sort of "rubbish", and immense numbers of our species have discarded all belief in the existence of demons, along with any belief in the Great Power that rules the Universe.

(Sophisticated folk nowadays know that the world was not created by God, but by Karl Marx. And they know that Lenin and successors are His Prophets.)

There is a delightful passage in C.S. Lewis's SCREWTAPE LETTERS, where the Senior Devil, talking to one of his underlings, makes a profoundly important remark "OF COURSE, OUR GREATEST TRUMP-CARD IS THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WE DON'T EXIST." (Or words to that effect)

Similarly, the vast majority of mankind KNOW that JINNS and UFOs and UFO entities don't exist. And what a nice advantage that is for the entities!

But what if HOMO SAP (so-called, self-dubbed) were in for some big shocks in the near future? What then?

With the recent advance of Science, man has rapidly become aware of the vastness of the Cosmos and of the probability that there exist out there innumerable other physical worlds inhabited by intelligent beings, some of which, for all we know, may be (as we dearly hope) identical with men, with our tastes and our values, our hopes and our fears.

It is natural that some among us, surveying the impasse into which we have got ourselves, might well be tempted to look up to the stars in the hope that someone wiser than we are might arrive one day from there and give us all the easy answers.

If there be any truth in the ancient story that the inhabitants of Magonia, unlike men, do not possess the possibility of developing immortal souls, and therefore are anxious to acquire such by mating with us and mingling their life-stream with ours, what moment could be more propitious to them for achieving their purpose than now?

Can't you just hear the message of their Captain?

-"WE ARE FROM TAU CETI, AND WE COME TO BRING YOU SALVATION AND SHOW YOU THE WAY OUT OF YOUR PROBLEMS. WE WILL GET YOU OFF THE HOOK!"

http//www.conspiracyarchive.com/Archive/UFO_Entities.htm

Green_Leaves

Peace,

Just wondering, what does the word "Jinn" mean in Arabic?

TheNabi

Salaam,

Jinn = Any hidden thing, intense darkness, confusing darkness.

Joe

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

From what Joe has given, I take "jinn' as any being within the "Ghayb/unseen".

Green_Leaves

Thanks for that description!

A Sunni family once described to me Jinns as creatures exactly like humans with their feet turned backwards and an enromous appetite for desserts! lol

unknownuser

Peace Kyle,

From what Joe has given, I take "jinn' as any being within the "Ghayb/unseen".

And what sort of beings are those that are "unseen"? All along you've been insisting upon claiming jinns to be "uncontrolled thoughts" outside of our realm/minds, then how has these 'uncontrolled thoughts' become 'beings'? What beings are you talking about now? Can you please further elaborate?

GOD Bless.

Someone

Peace,

From what I understand in the scripture,

GHAYB includes part of "the unseen" but is not equal to it. "ghayb" includes also part of "the un-heard"+ "the un-sensed"+ "the very laws (al-quran) by which all the creation is governed" + ...== "the unknown"

I mean, I don't see gravitational field but I know it exits from experience. So it's unseen but no more from "al-ghayb" for many of us. We do know only some part of "the very law of gravitation". The god shares some informations about "al-ghayb" to whom he wishs.

Now "jinn", I think, is "covered from the eyes" or "unseen".

unknownuser

Peace Someone,

Assuming that I agree with yours and Kyle's views, but how would you, Kyle or others relatively and logically put your theories into Quranic perspective, i.e. in contexts and conjunctions to several verses pertaining to jinn(s)? I am certain that there will some unanswered questions coming forth.

I believe the best way to interpose claims as such is to bring about all verses of the Quran containing the word 'jinn' and explain/explore your understandings accordingly. Don't you think?

Someone

Peace Danish,

You are right about the methodology. The informations I gave are only my understandings for now, it evolves as I gather more infos.

When you observe someone in front of you, what you are seeing is his visible identity (inns), his physical acts, his look and physical attributes. But, inside him, there's another entity "hidden from your eyes" that is evolving in a whole different world than the one you are seeing.

Sometimes, I feel that some people can't or are not able to stay alone. They have fears from the "voice(s)" speaking inside them, they don't want to deal with it rationaly, they have no arguments. They prefer to stay with some groups where they find confort, so they can ignore it.

Just some thoughts. )

PS Thoughts are also unseen, they exist only in the mind of people. Sometimes, we translate them in the form of asentence in a given language, and even then, we are not able to put it the exact way we have it in our mind.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Danish,

I have already done the work of looking at all the verses, that is how I came to my understanding. If you think there is a verse that brings forth a contradiction, please bring it so I can give you my understanding. Or at least, do the work yourself and seee what you come up with independantly.

Eranmad

Salaam,

I know about jinns. Where I live it happens now and then that people are taken by jinns. A friend of mine's father is a man who controls jinns. There are 2 VCD's of a live vedio of him curing a young boy who accidentally hurt a young jinn.

To deny something you don't see or to categorize it as something you see is just like Darwins's evolution theory.

I will paste some pictures of the Video for you to see. Now don't jump at me saying I made a fake one or that the video was a film setup.

Scientists deny that jinns overtake humans. They say that at times it is the CO2 concentration which alters the mind. That is what I was taught.

Where I live the usage of magic in both ways (good ways and bad ways) is common. And jinn incidents are common as well.

Wish you were here D

sabo

Salam Eranmad,

and where do you live? In which country?

Best regards,
sabo

Eranmad

Salaam Sabo,
I live in a place which some of you would never have heard of. well most wouldn't have heard of. I think I am the only person from my country to be postings forums like this. but i guess abt 30 (less than 30) ppl vist www.submission.org to dance to code19.

Go to this link

http//submission.fateback.com/jinn.mht

I will GW put some lil video clips up on the net a.s.a.p ) or maybe a bit later )... I will try to get my hand on the war vcd. then u guys could see a bit of the fire burn lol

zenje

and where do you live? In which country?
I live in a place which some of you would never have heard of. well most wouldn't have heard of.

Are you saying there's a country that 'most of us have NEVER heard of'? ? This should be interesting.

Peace

sabo

The mysterious country of Eranmad He doesn't allow us to know its name but he challenges us to visit it to verify that Jinns exist the way he is describing in his article and/or video.

If we can't visit his mysterious country, then we have to rely on his presented article and pictures. WOW IMPRESSING roll roll roll roll

zenje

Maybe the country is like the jinn - unseen. wink

Eranmad

ok. If it will satisfy you I am from Maldives.

You don't need to to be like that calling my country jinn.

So there. btw I shall upload some clips soon oiks. I think there are abt 3 more members from Maldives. Ask them ab the jinn story.

Peace All

zenje

You don't need to to be like that calling my country jinn.
Apologies on the remark, only meant it as a joke.

Off subject - But yes, I have heard of maldives... didn't they get some of the tsunami there? And wasn't Jet Li there at the time? Or am I confusing it with another island? ?

Peace!

salikahDC

Do Jinn exist as separate beings? Well, two things are for sure 1) Jinn have a will of their own (like us) and 2) they are the unseen. Some of them submit to Allah, some do not. The "thought" theory is an interesting one since we also have no concrete proof that all of our thoughts come from our own will. But, there is a little more proof of them being seperate entities than there is proof of Jinn being some sort of independent cognition (i.e. can someone explain the "Thought" theory in regards to the Jinn bowing down to Solomon and performing duties outside the realm of human capabilities...i forget the exact ayat, but I know this story can be found somewhere between Surah 20 to Surah 29). We know that the unseen exist and that man-knowingly and unknowlingly-has had historical interaction with Jinn (per Al Qur'an). With that said, should we really try to debate beyond the descriptions that Allah has given us?

On a personal aside, I think that I may have had a run in with a Jinni or two before. At first, I thought that it may have been Allah or an Angel, but given the instruction of the Qur'an and examples of Allah's communication previously, I seriously doubt it. Both of the occurances happened at night and, from what I know currently, both occurances alluded to two Surahs unknown to me at that time (these Surahs had great implications to the events of my life at that time, as well). However, just because I thought I "saw" something or "heard" something doesn't mean that they were separate entities...perhaps it was all an illusion created by the independent will of a cognition not governed by my nafs.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense roll

unknownuser

Peace be upon you SalikahDC,

Do Jinn exist as separate beings? Well, two things are for sure 1) Jinn have a will of their own (like us) and 2) they are the unseen. Some of them submit to Allah, some do not. The "thought" theory is an interesting one since we also have no concrete proof that all of our thoughts come from our own will.

Yes, and we can test this by the times when we try to recall a thought and cannot, like a friends name, etc. ALso, if one takes the time to try to STOP THINKING, one will see how difficult it is, so it is not our own will that generates thoughts, thoughts are conditioned memories, they are reflexes. And finally, they are HIDDEN(jinn).

But, there is a little more proof of them being seperate entities than there is proof of Jinn being some sort of independent cognition (i.e. can someone explain the "Thought" theory in regards to the Jinn bowing down to Solomon and performing duties outside the realm of human capabilities...i forget the exact ayat, but I know this story can be found somewhere between Surah 20 to Surah 29). We know that the unseen exist and that man-knowingly and unknowlingly-has had historical interaction with Jinn (per Al Qur'an). With that said, should we really try to debate beyond the descriptions that Allah has given us?

Jinn are the hidden faculties like thoughts and emotions. Emotions are energy in motion and this is what solomon made work for him. YOu can liken emotions to animals (animating/animus/emotive, etc). Metaphorically, one does not let the horse drag him around in the dirt, one saddles the horse and CONTROLS it. Interestingly the root M-L-K (malaika) has to do with control/command. What we are being instructed is that we must gain CONTROL of our unseen faculties and not let them run us. We are to CONTROL our emotions and make them work for us, not be blindly led by the emotions.