Do Jinn Exist as Seperate Beings?

unknownuser

Peace Kyle,

Jinn are the hidden faculties like thoughts and emotions.

Once again, if jinns are "uncontrolled thoughts" and malaika are "controlled thoughts", then what or who is/was Iblis as he/it was/is a jinn? Besides, if jinns are uncontrolled thoughts, then how are they "good", as in good jinns and bad jinns?

TheNabi

Salaam,

Once again, if jinns are "uncontrolled thoughts" and malaika are "controlled thoughts", then what or who is/was Iblis as he/it was/is a jinn? Besides, if jinns are uncontrolled thoughts, then how are they "good", as in good jinns and bad jinns?

Jinn were not referred to by Kyle as 'uncontrolled thoughts'.
Jinn can be a) shayteen/forces of opposition, or b) malaika .
Iblis/one who became perplexed, seems to be a transition.

Joe

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Danish,

idolfree1 wrote
Jinn are the hidden faculties like thoughts and emotions.

Once again, if jinns are "uncontrolled thoughts" and malaika are "controlled thoughts", then what or who is/was Iblis as he/it was/is a jinn? Besides, if jinns are uncontrolled thoughts, then how are they "good", as in good jinns and bad jinns?

Once again? When I have I EVER said that jinn were uncontrollled thoughts? Please provide the link to that post.

Here is my position

Jinn are hidden faculties, staying true to the meaning of the word.
There are sunsets of jinn which are malaika and shayteen
Malaika are the controlling facluties
Shayteen are the PERVERSIONS of the controlling faculties

Iblis describes one who lives according to the PERVERSIONS of the controlling faculties.

For example, there is a faculty that urges you to unite with others, to form communities, the correct expression from the malaika is to "bow with those who bow" meaning to surround yourself with like minded people who are changing for the better, but the PERVESION would be to come together with just anyone, thugs and murderers, liars and the like.

unknownuser

Peace Kyle,

Once again? When I have I EVER said that jinn were uncontrollled thoughts? Please provide the link to that post.

My bad, my appologies.

Here is my position

Jinn are hidden faculties, staying true to the meaning of the word.
There are sunsets of jinn which are malaika and shayteen
Malaika are the controlling facluties
Shayteen are the PERVERSIONS of the controlling faculties

Iblis describes one who lives according to the PERVERSIONS of the controlling faculties.

For example, there is a faculty that urges you to unite with others, to form communities, the correct expression from the malaika is to "bow with those who bow" meaning to surround yourself with like minded people who are changing for the better, but the PERVESION would be to come together with just anyone, thugs and murderers, liars and the like.

Thanks for the expalanation. I got your point and cleared my own misunderstandings.

GOD Bless.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Danish,

No problem, clarity has resotored proper order which promotes peace D

Peace to you.

By the way, it should be "subset", not "sunset" in my last post ops

nazz

There seem to be a lot of posts about jinn not being seperate entities, but rather the mind states of humans. While there are several verses that could be used to scrutinize this view, I'd like an explanation on this one;

"'Throw down your staff.' When he saw it moving like a demon, he turned around and fled. ' Moses, do not be afraid. My messengers shall not fear.'"

Several translators use the word "serpent" rather than "demon". What is the best translation? Obviously, if its "Demon" then it poses problems for the idea that Jinn are simply states of the human mind.

thegod

far as i can see in the light of quran, humans and djinns seem to be seperate entities. -)

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Nazz,

The hidden thoughts, just like all energies, move in WAVES, which is comparable to the movement of a snake, which is why the SNAKE is in several spiritual stories as the deciever.

MUNZIR_ALI

Apologies on the remark, only meant it as a joke.

Off subject - But yes, I have heard of maldives... didn't they get some of the tsunami there? And wasn't Jet Li there at the time? Or am I confusing it with another island? ?

Peace!

Yeah, we got very long waves on the tsunami and more than 2/3 of the country got flooded byy the huge tidal waves