Quran Translation in french langage

cathedral

Salaam,

it is a person, and the verse says that. The verse is a pun,

" he will be burnt in a fire of blazing lahabs"

The verse says that all the evil he did is what he will be surrounded by.

TheNabi

Cathedral,

I'm not sure if that ayat is individual specific. The envoy himself is said to not know the final destiny of any (person) and if this is the case and sura 111 is speaking of a man than this is a contradiction as far as I am aware.

Joe

Wakas

peace Joe, All,

The envoy himself does not know the destiny of himself or others. 111 is not the envoy's own thoughts/words, thus there is no contradiction as far as I can see (if one interprets this sura as person-specific).

Wakas

TheNabi

Salaam Wakas

They are God's thoughts according to alquran, yes, but knowing God's thoughts would mean that the envoy in fact does know something. If it is indeed about a single individual in history, then it would be in conflict with ayat 496. Just as we know that the envoy knows alquran, but at the same time it is not of his own dispensation (531-4). If he is called to say he does not know such destinies, except for the case of personality/behavioral archetypes, then sura 111, makes more sense to be such an archetype.

Joe

cathedral

Salaam,

I didn't mean it as a single person, I should've been more clear. It's a general statement to mankind. I was just saying that the verse isn't about satan.

TheNabi

Salaam Cathedral,

Sorry about the confusion! lol Yes, I would not say the ayat is about satan either, though it is related to satan, which to me is the force that causes opposition/rejection.

Joe

Wakas

peace All,

I just thought of this today...

The traditional understanding of 'abu lahab' in chapter 111 is that it is the nickname of the prophet's uncle, whose real name was Abdul Uzza.

Does The God advise us not to call each other names/nicknames in 4911, then does it Himself in 1111?

Wakas

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Wakas,

they call thier greatest fake hadith creator "father of cats". D

Wakas

peace Kyle,

Good point bro!

Wakas

marie

Salam all,

My post is about the translation of shaytan/shayateen which are usually translated as devil(s).

Shaytan is according the balance of faAAlaan like rahmaan...
the verb/fiAAl is shata..

In my own translation of the Reading (arabic-french) I suggest a new translation of this word in the light of the Reading

shayateen = the Promoters of the evil and fire..

All comment are appreciated,

Thanks in advance.

Jaxal

SaLaM Marie

I agree with you on the translation.

Wakas

peace Marie,

The following info from PRL might help

= Shiin-Tay-Nun (root of shaytan) = become distant/far/remote, enter firmly / become firmly fixed therein / penetrate and be concealed, turn away in opposition (from direction/aim), devil, one excessively proud/corrupt, unbelieving/rebellious/insolent/audacious, rope, deep curved well, it burned, became burnt, serpent, any blamable faculty or power of a man.

214, 236, 2102, 2102, 2168, 2208, 2268, 2275, 336, 3155, 3175, 438, 460, 476, 476, 483, 4117, 4119, 4120, 590, 591, 643, 668, 671, 6112, 6121, 6142, 720, 722, 727, 727, 730, 7175, 7200, 7201, 811, 848, 125, 1242, 12100, 1422, 1517, 1663, 1698, 1727, 1727, 1753, 1753, 1764, 1863, 1944, 1944, 1945, 1968, 1983, 20120, 2182, 223, 2252, 2252, 2253, 2397, 2421, 2421, 2529, 26210, 26221, 2724, 2815, 2938, 3121, 356, 3660, 377, 3765, 3837, 3841, 4136, 4336, 4362, 4725, 5810, 5819, 5819, 5819, 5916, 675, 8125

If I were to translate 'al quran' I would go through every occurrence and note down all information that can be extracted for shaytan/shayateen, then base my translation word choice on that. The results of such a study would be fruitful even if a coherent meaning could not be reached.

What you have chosen seems fine, but I have not checked it. From my studies thus far, I see ShTN as destructive, opposite of constructive.

Wakas

marie

Salam Jaxal, Wakas,

Thank you very much for your helpfull answers )

I have a question about wakas' answer

I don't understand why the letter nun belongs to the root?
If sahytan is according faAAlan like rahman, then the root is Shiin-Ya-Tay or Shiin-alif-Tay

If I were to translate 'al quran' I would go through every occurrence and note down all information that can be extracted for shaytan/shayateen, then base my translation word choice on that. The results of such a study would be fruitful even if a coherent meaning could not be reached.

You are right, I flew over the occurences of shaytan/shayateen, it seems that promoting evil (....) and inviting to fire are the principal action of shaytan.

Salam

Wakas

peace be upon you Marie,

I took the root Shiin-Tay-Nun from Concordance of Quran by Hanna E Kassis, checked Lane and it seemed to agree.

However, on re-checking Lane for Shiin-Ya-Tay, it seems it has also noted your observation. I have the relevent entry from Lane below. Let me know your thoughts.

http//www.studyquran.co.uk/Lane/ShTayNun_OR_ShYaTay.jpg

Wakas

marie

God bless you brother wakas )

I don't think that shaytan is a propor name but a name/attribute with several meanings.

Salam

marie

Salam,

I don't find the word sayyib (219) translated as cloud/rainstyorm in my arabic-arabic dictionnary.

Thanks for your help in advance,

Salam

Wakas

peace sister,

Sad-Ya-Ba does not have rainstorm/cloud in Lane, however Sad-Waw-Ba has "...it poured forth (said of rain), it descended, a calamity that falls upon or becomes settled/fixed..."

Wakas

marie

Salam brother, all,

Thank you very much for your help. I'd like to have your opinion about the translation of this word as a cloud. According the context we read "
"Or like a cloud from the sky, in it is darkness and thunder and lightning..."(219)

It seems correct, imo.

Thanks in advance.

Wakas

peace sister,

Clouds containing thunder/lightning tend to be dark, so that makes sense.
"cloud" seems fine, I have read translations with "stormcloud" "rainstorm" "cloudburst", but I believe the technical term is 'cumulonimbus'.

Also, in the future, please state the specific Arabic letters in the word, as to me just saying an "s" doesn't tell me if its Sad or Siin. Thanks.

Wakas

marie

Peace brother,

peace sister,

Clouds containing thunder/lightning tend to be dark, so that makes sense.
"cloud" seems fine, I have read translations with "stormcloud" "rainstorm" "cloudburst", but I believe the technical term is 'cumulonimbus'.

I think you are right for cumulonimbus, I had used some thing similar in French.

Also, in the future, please state the specific Arabic letters in the word, as to me just saying an "s" doesn't tell me if its Sad or Siin. Thanks
.

Excuse me, I din't know it oops

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