how did Abraham do it?
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Peace be upon you Al Araf,
Nice breakdown of the two concepts. Yes, Al Kitaab is the book that is all around us and within us. Statements about the life/creation all around us and within us are "quran".
There is a verse where the rejecters say "bring a quran other than this", meaning, bring another idea/statement/recitation, etc about this event/experience.
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Salam Ahmad Belal. I never claimed to have knowledge. True knowledge is with Allah alone.
You are not paying attention to what you read. You have made up in your mind that Quran and Kitab are the same thing. This is your bida/innovation. When you repeat this bida of yours, and claim Allah said this, it becomes a LIE. Allah never said the Quran and Kitab are the same.
If Allah wanted to Quran and Kitab to be the same thing, he would NOT have used two DIFFERENT names. Allah gave the names to all things and Allah teaches man the names. If you REFUSE to be a student, neither Allah or I can help you.
The noun Kitab, comes from the verb root, kataba or yukatibu. Kataba means write or transcribe Kitab means that which is written or transcribed. Knowing this, we apply this information to Kitab. Kitab then means that which Allah has written or transcribed.
The noun Quran comes from the root verb qara or iqra which means recite or say. Knowing this we apply this information to Quran. Therefore the Quran is that which is said or recited.
Herein lies the distinction that you fail to make, between that which is written and that which is spoken.
Allah says in the Quran, that the Kitab is with him.
Allah has said that the "explanation of things is in the Kitab" You say Allah says the "Quran explains all things" Do you not see the difference between Kitab and Quran, do you not see the difference between "explanation of things" and "explains all things" Beware of making claims that Allah has said something when Allah has not said such a thing. Beware of your negligence in being careless. Allah has not said what you claim. That made your claim a lie.
Now go back and look at what you posted, and my reply to your post. Do you see where you were careless, claimed Allah said something, when Allah had not said such a thing. Beware.
Your question about the Sabbath is an EXCELLENT question. Allah says 265 And well you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath We said to them "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."
Allah is taking to you, and he is referring to those amongst you who trangress the Sabbath. Allah says they are apes, despised and rejected. I personally do not wish to be an ape, despised or reject by Allah. I do not transgress the Sabbath. I would advise you not to transgress the Sabbath either.
You went on to ask other questions about the Taurah. EXCELLENT questions, Allah is opening your eyes and heart, keep them open, do not close them.
Read the Taurah, you will see it says "Va yikra Elohim" in many places. Do you recall what I said earlier about Quran being that which is spoken. Do you recall the word Iqra and Qara. Here again in the Taurah is the word IQRA. THis is VERY IMPORTANT. If the word Iqra is in the Taurah, those that contain the word Iqra, are Spoken word of Allah, and in my opinion also Quran.
I know this is going to roil and infuriate many many people. They have spent their lives believing a particular definition of names. However, their defintions dont fit what Allah says or writes. I depend on Allah to tell me what is right or wrong. I reject anyone elses opinion. Inshallah Allah will advance me from stage to stage. I invite you to keep your eyes and heart open.
I dont believe that Allah makes mistakes. I believe Allah gets it right the first time and doesnt need to make corrections. By this standard, Allah has it right, from Taurah to Quran. The misunderstanding does not come from Allah. Human beings misunderstand what Allah says, then make up things to justify their misunderstanding.
Allah says 2106 None of our verses/ayat do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we send something better or similar knowest you not that Allah has power over all things? Allah says NONE of his verses are aborogated, NONE of his verses are forgotten. Allah says he sends BETTER verses and SIMILAR verses. The claim of people that Allah changes his hudood and hukum are proven false by this verse. Allah has NOT changed his hukum.
Therefore the claim that Allah has changed his hudood and hukum, is I believe a false claim. The hukum and hudood of Allah are for all time. From Taurah to Quran, the same, nothing has changed.
Look very carefuly VERY CAREFULLY at the words of the Taurah and Quran. They do NOT contradict one another or change anything. The claims that Allah changed this or that come not from Allah, they come from people who invent lies against Allah.
Allah has power over all things. Allah has made sure no verse is changed. Allah has maintained his verses or improved them.
Peace.
You have your beliefs and I have mine. When I study Al-Qur'aan, I see verses where it specifically makes adjustments (not corrections) to the doctrines formerly present in the Torah. The Sabbath is a prime example, as is animal sacrifice. Salaat forms are also different, and many of the customs are completely different, and this is a clear example that Al-Qur'aan is a different recitation than the Torah - the two are not the same. When Al-Qur'aan tells it's listeners that God's Message doesn't change, it's referring to the basis of all forms of monotheism - we are to worship ONE GOD and not associate any partners with Him. To say that the two have the EXACT SAME MESSAGE when it comes to wording and explanations is completely false.
Regardless, though, this has nothing to do with the differences between the Torah and Al-Qur'aan, so I won't waste time expounding on the two Messages. This is about following the religious rites of Ibraheem. You made the claim that we are to follow all the rites and rituals of Ibraheem, and you also said that Al-Qur'aan is NOT "fully detailed". You also said
The Quran does not claim to be a fully detailed scripture anywhere. The Quran does not say the only way we need to perform the salaat should only be based on Quran. There are no such hukum of Allah nor are there such verses. Where did you come up with "The only way we need to perform our 'salaat' should be based on Al-Qur'aan, the fully detailed Scripture" Do you lie about what Allah has said? Are you a god that you are authorized to make additions to the Quran
You also said
The Quran says, this grand book confirming that which is with you. CONFIRMING... pay attention CONFIRMING. You claim "Because of the fact that Al-Qur'aan SUPERCEDES all previous Scriptures" The Quran TOTALLY TOTALLY contradicts you. previous revelations are CONFIRMED, not superceeded.
Then, you said
The Quran never claims anywhere that it is fully detailed. You claim "And because God states that Al-Qur'aan is fully detailed" This is nothing more than a terrible LIE. A terrible lie against the Quran. Do you lie about what Allah has said? Are you a god that you can add this into the Quran?
I don't know why you're trying to turn this into a "Qur'aan versus Tawrah" debate, but it's completely off-topic and it's not worth the time and patience. The study of both clearly shows their differences, regardless of what you want to believe regarding them. The only true statement you made during your entire post is "true knowledge is with God"...
"Al-Kitaab" may be different than "Al-Qur'aan" - however, this is not explicitly stated in the Scripture. And regardless of the format of the (possibly) two sources, Al-Qur'aan and Al-Kitaab make up ONE SCRIPTURE. So, even if they're different, they teach the same Message from God. If you believe the "explanation of all things" is in the world around us, that is your take on the matter - that doesn't make it correct. What happens on the Day of Judgement - will "Al-Kitaab" be annihilated? Of course not - Al-Qur'aan says that God will protect His Word, which is contained in Al-Kitaab. So, does that mean that the Day of Judgement is a mythical destruction, not literal?
Al-Qur'aan says that the majority of the people on earth will lead us into destruction, away from the straight path that He has set for us, as Mu'meen. So, how can "Al-Kitaab" be referring to the world around us if it is a guidance for us? How can the people of Al-Kitaab lead us into annihilation???
The differences between Al-Kitaab and Al-Qur'aan may truly exist - only God knows for sure. But regardless, they teach us ONE SCRIPTURE. And once a "qur'aan" (recitation) is compiled into a book, it becomes a "kitaab" (written word). If you believe they are two completely different objects, then that means there is no "qur'aan" unless it is spoken, or recited. So, what do you study? In order for a "qur'aan" to remain a "qur'aan", it can never be written down - it can only be memorized and recited. But since it IS written down, what is it now???
! Al-Kitaab!
That's just my take on the matter. I may be wrong, though... God knows best...
Peace.
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Salaam Ahmad Belal. Mashallah. Allah is opening your eyes and heart. May Allah increase his guidance to you.
Allah is Lord of the Day of Judgment.
Truly he is Lord of all things. May he do the same to both of us, increasing us in knowledge and understanding..
Peace, Al Araf. sun